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Postby Oneracon » Sat Jun 29, 2013 9:26 am

New Bierstaat wrote:Also, the Universal Health Care Act hasn't a prayer of getting my vote unless a provision is added that limits how much can be spent on it in a year. Otherwise it will end up bloated and inefficient, and will price capitalist, free-market alternatives out of business.


Wouldn't that then lead to a denial of care for someone in need if their care would push the healthcare system over its proscribed limit?

Also, would there be adjustments to the limit to take inflation in to account? Or is this simply an excuse to starve the public health care system to maximize profits for private interests?
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Postby New Bierstaat » Sat Jun 29, 2013 9:50 am

Oneracon wrote:
New Bierstaat wrote:Also, the Universal Health Care Act hasn't a prayer of getting my vote unless a provision is added that limits how much can be spent on it in a year. Otherwise it will end up bloated and inefficient, and will price capitalist, free-market alternatives out of business.


Wouldn't that then lead to a denial of care for someone in need if their care would push the healthcare system over its proscribed limit?

Also, would there be adjustments to the limit to take inflation in to account? Or is this simply an excuse to starve the public health care system to maximize profits for private interests?

No - I wouldn't want that. I would like a limit at the department level so they can't add services that would push them over the limit, i.e. that they couldn't afford. A person denied services could sue the Health Ministry or whoever's in charge of it. Basic care is one thing, but unnecessary procedures are another. I also want every government official to have to be in the plan.
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Postby Oneracon » Sat Jun 29, 2013 10:16 am

New Bierstaat wrote:
Oneracon wrote:
Wouldn't that then lead to a denial of care for someone in need if their care would push the healthcare system over its proscribed limit?

Also, would there be adjustments to the limit to take inflation in to account? Or is this simply an excuse to starve the public health care system to maximize profits for private interests?

No - I wouldn't want that. I would like a limit at the department level so they can't add services that would push them over the limit, i.e. that they couldn't afford. A person denied services could sue the Health Ministry or whoever's in charge of it. Basic care is one thing, but unnecessary procedures are another. I also want every government official to have to be in the plan.


I would think that's the point of universal health care... :eyebrow:
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Sat Jun 29, 2013 12:48 pm

I motion to add this to the queue, and create an omnibus with the Animal Protection Act, creating the Wilderness and Animal Protection Act. (The APA's author suggested this.)

National Preservation of Wilderness and Wildlife Act

Proposed by Senator Hans Johansson
Co-authored by Senator Joseph Wesley Bridger II and Senator Jean-Henri Rousseau

Sponsors: Senators John Geil, Cengiz Harun, Lionel Landers, Andromeda Orson, Zephiniah Nuckerberg, Zane Potenco

REALISING that Aurentina contains areas of outstanding wild and natural beauty, both sylvan and maritime,

UNDERSTANDING that most of these areas are not protected from any of the excesses of industry and modern urbanite society,

IN ORDER TO COUNTER abuses to these outstanding natural areas and preserve them for posterity,

DEFINING a national park as an area of outstanding natural beauty, on land or sea, designated by the Interior Ministry to be protected from certain forms of commercialisation, urbanisation, and other ecologically damaging activities typically considered detrimental to the pleasantness of an environment,

HEREBY ESTABLISHES the following legal process to proclaim a national park or preserve: that it should require a minimum of sixty percent of the Senate to approve a section of land primarily unspoiled by man, at which point the land may be thus designated by the Interior Ministry,

HEREBY DECLARING that prior legal residents of the land reserve their right to own property, and will not be forced to release their ownership of the land, but must be fully compensated for it should they choose to do so,

ALLOWING environmentally-friendly business and traditional agriculture to exist within the boundaries of the National Park System upon approval by the Interior Ministry,

HEREBY DECLARES that a national park or preserve should be free to visit by all, but that a fee determined by the administration of each park shall be required for fishing, hunting, climbing, biking, and hiking permits, in the case of the park being land-based, and swimming, canoeing, boating, surfing, and fishing permits in the case of it being sea-based,

HEREBY ESTABLISHING an Aurentine National Park and Preserve Code of Law:

  1. Heavy industry, hereby defined as "the manufacture of large, heavy articles and materials in bulk," is prohibited within the bounds of all national parks and preserves.
  2. The removal or killing of an animal or plant without a scientific license administered by the affected park or preserve is punishable solely by a fine of $500.
  3. The intentional or accidental placing of trash outside of the confines of a waste basket and within the confines of a park is punishable solely by a fine of $100.
  4. The practising of an activity for which one is required to be licensed for without the direct physical possession of a license is punishable solely by a fine of $200.
  5. Traditional, natural methods of cultivation are to be practised where cultivation is still allowed, id est horse plowing.
  6. Traditional, natural methods of conservation are to be used in all parks and preserves, id est controlled burning.

PLACING the yoke of enforcing the assorted rules and regulations of national parks onto a specially trained, unarmed subsection of the national police force,

RESTRICTING members of said subsection to detaining suspected and confirmed rule-breakers for period of time less than half of a single hour before administering a fine, which it will be illegal to administer after said time has passed,

HEREBY ESTABLISHING fifty square miles of the mountains north of Veeltöppë as the Montgrön National Park and twenty square miles of sea encompassing a barrier reef five miles west of Kouda Vederen as the First Aurentine Oceanic Preserve,

HEREBY PASSES the National Preservation of Wilderness and Wildlife Act.
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Postby Liberated Counties » Sat Jun 29, 2013 12:50 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:I motion to add this to the queue, and create an omnibus with the Animal Protection Act, creating the Wilderness and Animal Protection Act. (The APA's author suggested this.)

National Preservation of Wilderness and Wildlife Act

Proposed by Senator Hans Johansson
Co-authored by Senator Joseph Wesley Bridger II and Senator Jean-Henri Rousseau

Sponsors: Senators John Geil, Cengiz Harun, Lionel Landers, Andromeda Orson, Zephiniah Nuckerberg, Zane Potenco

REALISING that Aurentina contains areas of outstanding wild and natural beauty, both sylvan and maritime,

UNDERSTANDING that most of these areas are not protected from any of the excesses of industry and modern urbanite society,

IN ORDER TO COUNTER abuses to these outstanding natural areas and preserve them for posterity,

DEFINING a national park as an area of outstanding natural beauty, on land or sea, designated by the Interior Ministry to be protected from certain forms of commercialisation, urbanisation, and other ecologically damaging activities typically considered detrimental to the pleasantness of an environment,

HEREBY ESTABLISHES the following legal process to proclaim a national park or preserve: that it should require a minimum of sixty percent of the Senate to approve a section of land primarily unspoiled by man, at which point the land may be thus designated by the Interior Ministry,

HEREBY DECLARING that prior legal residents of the land reserve their right to own property, and will not be forced to release their ownership of the land, but must be fully compensated for it should they choose to do so,

ALLOWING environmentally-friendly business and traditional agriculture to exist within the boundaries of the National Park System upon approval by the Interior Ministry,

HEREBY DECLARES that a national park or preserve should be free to visit by all, but that a fee determined by the administration of each park shall be required for fishing, hunting, climbing, biking, and hiking permits, in the case of the park being land-based, and swimming, canoeing, boating, surfing, and fishing permits in the case of it being sea-based,

HEREBY ESTABLISHING an Aurentine National Park and Preserve Code of Law:

  1. Heavy industry, hereby defined as "the manufacture of large, heavy articles and materials in bulk," is prohibited within the bounds of all national parks and preserves.
  2. The removal or killing of an animal or plant without a scientific license administered by the affected park or preserve is punishable solely by a fine of $500.
  3. The intentional or accidental placing of trash outside of the confines of a waste basket and within the confines of a park is punishable solely by a fine of $100.
  4. The practising of an activity for which one is required to be licensed for without the direct physical possession of a license is punishable solely by a fine of $200.
  5. Traditional, natural methods of cultivation are to be practised where cultivation is still allowed, id est horse plowing.
  6. Traditional, natural methods of conservation are to be used in all parks and preserves, id est controlled burning.

PLACING the yoke of enforcing the assorted rules and regulations of national parks onto a specially trained, unarmed subsection of the national police force,

RESTRICTING members of said subsection to detaining suspected and confirmed rule-breakers for period of time less than half of a single hour before administering a fine, which it will be illegal to administer after said time has passed,

HEREBY ESTABLISHING fifty square miles of the mountains north of Veeltöppë as the Montgrön National Park and twenty square miles of sea encompassing a barrier reef five miles west of Kouda Vederen as the First Aurentine Oceanic Preserve,

HEREBY PASSES the National Preservation of Wilderness and Wildlife Act.


I second the omnibus motion.
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Postby New Zepuha » Sat Jun 29, 2013 1:11 pm

Liberated Counties wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:I motion to add this to the queue, and create an omnibus with the Animal Protection Act, creating the Wilderness and Animal Protection Act. (The APA's author suggested this.)

National Preservation of Wilderness and Wildlife Act

Proposed by Senator Hans Johansson
Co-authored by Senator Joseph Wesley Bridger II and Senator Jean-Henri Rousseau

Sponsors: Senators John Geil, Cengiz Harun, Lionel Landers, Andromeda Orson, Zephiniah Nuckerberg, Zane Potenco

REALISING that Aurentina contains areas of outstanding wild and natural beauty, both sylvan and maritime,

UNDERSTANDING that most of these areas are not protected from any of the excesses of industry and modern urbanite society,

IN ORDER TO COUNTER abuses to these outstanding natural areas and preserve them for posterity,

DEFINING a national park as an area of outstanding natural beauty, on land or sea, designated by the Interior Ministry to be protected from certain forms of commercialisation, urbanisation, and other ecologically damaging activities typically considered detrimental to the pleasantness of an environment,

HEREBY ESTABLISHES the following legal process to proclaim a national park or preserve: that it should require a minimum of sixty percent of the Senate to approve a section of land primarily unspoiled by man, at which point the land may be thus designated by the Interior Ministry,

HEREBY DECLARING that prior legal residents of the land reserve their right to own property, and will not be forced to release their ownership of the land, but must be fully compensated for it should they choose to do so,

ALLOWING environmentally-friendly business and traditional agriculture to exist within the boundaries of the National Park System upon approval by the Interior Ministry,

HEREBY DECLARES that a national park or preserve should be free to visit by all, but that a fee determined by the administration of each park shall be required for fishing, hunting, climbing, biking, and hiking permits, in the case of the park being land-based, and swimming, canoeing, boating, surfing, and fishing permits in the case of it being sea-based,

HEREBY ESTABLISHING an Aurentine National Park and Preserve Code of Law:

  1. Heavy industry, hereby defined as "the manufacture of large, heavy articles and materials in bulk," is prohibited within the bounds of all national parks and preserves.
  2. The removal or killing of an animal or plant without a scientific license administered by the affected park or preserve is punishable solely by a fine of $500.
  3. The intentional or accidental placing of trash outside of the confines of a waste basket and within the confines of a park is punishable solely by a fine of $100.
  4. The practising of an activity for which one is required to be licensed for without the direct physical possession of a license is punishable solely by a fine of $200.
  5. Traditional, natural methods of cultivation are to be practised where cultivation is still allowed, id est horse plowing.
  6. Traditional, natural methods of conservation are to be used in all parks and preserves, id est controlled burning.

PLACING the yoke of enforcing the assorted rules and regulations of national parks onto a specially trained, unarmed subsection of the national police force,

RESTRICTING members of said subsection to detaining suspected and confirmed rule-breakers for period of time less than half of a single hour before administering a fine, which it will be illegal to administer after said time has passed,

HEREBY ESTABLISHING fifty square miles of the mountains north of Veeltöppë as the Montgrön National Park and twenty square miles of sea encompassing a barrier reef five miles west of Kouda Vederen as the First Aurentine Oceanic Preserve,

HEREBY PASSES the National Preservation of Wilderness and Wildlife Act.


I second the omnibus motion.

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Ainin wrote:Fourth.


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Pesda wrote:What are we debating now?


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Ainin wrote:Fourth.


Fifth


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Postby NSG Senate Administrators » Sat Jun 29, 2013 6:09 pm

This has gone on too long. I'm sorry other admins besides Nepal didn't give their input, so I'm making the decision:

ERA VOTING IS HEREBY ENDED AND INVALIDATED


Vote anew with these options (and what you say):

-Vote for Executive ("Executive")
-Vote for Council ("Council")
-Vote for neither ("Nay")
-Abstain ("Abstain")

VOTING WILL IMMEDIATELY COMMENCE WITH A NEW COUNTER AND THESE OPTIONS. NO MOTIONS NECESSARY.

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I vote for the EXECUTIVE
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Council.
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And in accordance with my own admin decision, I will register my decision:

I abstain for now.

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Vote in favor of the Executive.
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Postby Mediciano » Sat Jun 29, 2013 6:20 pm

Executive.

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Postby Free South Califas » Sat Jun 29, 2013 6:20 pm

Pesda wrote:
Free South Califas wrote:Thanks, Senator. Your sponsorship is added.

Senators, the redraft to make PEA inclusive to students with disabilities is now looking for a fourth, rather urgently since it is up next for voting. This is a basic function of good government, IMO.

I will fourth, but I have my own amendments to propose when debate on this officially restarts.

OK, thanks. Edited:
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Free South Califas wrote:Friendly Amendments to Public Education Act for Students with Disabilities and Different Needs
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These have been added to the following draft, which I move to replace the current Public Education Act in the omnibus immediately, please fifth this if you agree with the Friendly Amendments for disabled students, as the author does:

Public Education Act


Proposed by: Greater Pokarnia (C)
Original co-sponsors: Costa Algeria (PC), The Realm of God (PC), Geilinor (LD), Zweite Alaje (NI)

Author and current sponsor: Greater Pokarnia (C)
Current co-sponsors: Saul Califas (C), Wulukuno Maklohi Porunalakai (LD), Pesda (RG)

1. A public educational system will be formed under the supervision of the Ministry of Education, which will provide free enrollment to people between the age of 5-18.

2. It will mandatory for children to attend at least 10,500 instructional hours of school, be it at either public, private, or home school. Parents who knowingly prevent their children from meeting this requirement may be subject to fines of up to $10,000 for each 1,500 hours of school missed, and either 3,000 hours of community service to begin as soon as feasible or 3 months of jail to begin as soon as the parent's obligation to directly care for, support the care of, or raise funds for the child has ended or as soon as it becomes impossible for the parent to reasonably provide same for each 1,500 hours of school missed.

2a. The minimum number of hours required for each particular student may be reduced by consensus of at least two professionals, currently licensed in fields relevant to evaluating that student's individual medical or ability-related needs, who have a substantial history of working directly with the student, as necessary to prevent the student's needless suffering. To the greatest legally and medically possible extent, the same minimum standards of academic achievement must be retained in any case.

3. Private schools and home schools must register with the Ministry of Education.

4. Public schools will be funded by the state, and it's employees are to be considered state employees.

5. The Ministry of Education shall be in charge of deciding the curriculum of all public schools.

6. A minimum curriculum shall be drafted by the Ministry of Education for private schools and home schools. Private schools and home schools may teach whatever they want so long as they teach the minimum curriculum. Subdistricts may expand upon this minimum curriculum.

7. The Ministry of Education shall monitor private schools to ensure they are teaching the minimum curriculum. If they fail to do so they will lose recognition by the Ministry of Education and students may not meet their mandatory number of instructional by attending that school.

8. Employees of the Ministry of Education shall administer tests to home-schooled children every 3 months to ensure that they are being taught the minimum curriculum sufficiently. If they fail to pass these tests the home school will lose recognition from the Ministry of Education and student may not meet their mandatory number of instructional hours from that home school.

9. Nobody above the age of 20 may attend a public school described as such in this Act.

10. Students attending public schools must enroll with the public education system before age 8.

11. No age restrictions are to be placed by the state onto private or home schools.

12. All recognized schools, be they public, private, or home schools, shall have 10 grade levels comprised of at least 1,050 instructional hours.

13. The Ministry of Education shall administer a Grade Advancement Test (GAT) at all recognized schools based on the minimum curriculum, which a student must pass before advancing to the next grade level.

14. The Ministry of Education shall provide funding to to public schools as they see fit, but there may never be larger than a 15% funding gap per student enrolled at public schools.

15. There shall be 5 days in the school week, each comprising of 7 hours of instruction per day. Lunch and recess don't count towards this number of hours. Schools must have at least 30 school weeks per year. This shall only be enforced at public schools.

15a. The following exceptions shall be provided on an individual basis as necessary to prevent that student's needless suffering, by consensus of at least two professionals currently licensed in fields relevant to evaluating that student's individual medical- or ability-related needs who have a significant history of working directly with the student. To the greatest legally and medically possible extent, the same minimum standards of academic achievement must be retained in any case.

15a1. The minimum number of days attended in each week may be reduced to no fewer than three (3).

15a2. The minimum number of instruction hours attended in each week may be reduced as little as required to achieve this goal.

15a3. More frequent breaks may be allowed which might not be subtracted from the number of instruction hours reported, although it is recommended that this only be used in cases of autism, developmental disorders, attentional or post-traumatic stress conditions being treated, chronic pain conditions, emotional dysfunctions which could otherwise disrupt the learning environment, etc.

16. Hereby allows students to avoid attending school for national and religious holidays that will not be counted against a students attendance. This shall only be enforced at public schools.

17. Hereby places a 3 month interval between schooling years to occur at the beginning of June, to carry through the end of August. This shall only be enforced at public schools.

18. Subdistricts may enforce their own educational standards so long as they do not conflict with the national standards and the minimum curriculum is still taught.

19. Subdistricts may enforce their own restrictions on private or home schools.
FSC Government
Senate: Saul Califas; First Deputy Leader of the Opposition
Senior Whip, Communist Party (Meiderup)

WA: Califan WA Detachment (CWAD).
Justice
On Autism/"R-word"
(Lir. apologized, so ignore that part.)
Anarchy Works/Open Borders
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I'm autistic and (proud, but) thus not a "social detective", so be warned: I might misread or accidentally offend you.
'Obvious' implications, tones, cues etc. may also be missed.
SELF MANAGEMENT ✯ DIRECT ACTION ✯ WORKER SOLIDARITY
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