And? It doesn't change the fact that using the name without consulting them about it was a culturally insensitive act.
"Culturally insensitive"=/="offensive".
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by Algonquin Ascendancy » Fri Jun 28, 2013 10:20 pm
by New Maldorainia » Fri Jun 28, 2013 10:21 pm
by Vitaphone Racing » Fri Jun 28, 2013 10:22 pm
It's quite easy to declare from your position of privilege
that "we" shouldn't care what they think of the use of their name.
So, oui, one of us is demonstrably bigoted, however, it isn't me.
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by Mushet » Fri Jun 28, 2013 11:39 pm
Vitaphone Racing wrote:Algonquin Ascendancy wrote:Mighty defensive aren't you?
I don't like bigots and people who make stereotypes. I'm not apologizing for that fact.It's quite easy to declare from your position of privilege
Yes, this position of privilege which you just assume I have even though you literally know not one thing about me and only assume I'm arguing from a position of privilege because I'm arguing against you...that "we" shouldn't care what they think of the use of their name.
We shouldn't. We aren't legally obligated to for starters.So, oui, one of us is demonstrably bigoted, however, it isn't me.
Yes it is.
by Occupied Deutschland » Fri Jun 28, 2013 11:53 pm
Mushet wrote:Vitaphone Racing wrote:I don't like bigots and people who make stereotypes. I'm not apologizing for that fact.
Yes, this position of privilege which you just assume I have even though you literally know not one thing about me and only assume I'm arguing from a position of privilege because I'm arguing against you...
We shouldn't. We aren't legally obligated to for starters.
Yes it is.
Is your sense of what is the right thing to do and the wrong thing dictated by what is legal and what isn't? You don't think that if a member of the dominant culture wants to use the name of an indigenous people for their branded consumer product that it isn't right to consult the community about the use of their name? And this is a big car company we're talking about they have the resources. You don't think we should care about their opinion on the appropriation of the name of their indigenous nation or take any steps regarding it merely because we're not legally obligated to?
by Samozaryadnyastan » Fri Jun 28, 2013 11:55 pm
Algonquin Ascendancy wrote:Vitaphone Racing wrote:"anyone who disagrees with me must be a privileged white, hetero male from a middle class family"
Holy shit bro, you're not a bigot at all....
Mighty defensive aren't you?
It's quite easy to declare from your position of privilege that "we" shouldn't care what they think of the use of their name. So, oui, one of us is demonstrably bigoted, however, it isn't me.
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by Algonquin Ascendancy » Sat Jun 29, 2013 12:09 am
Samozaryadnyastan wrote:Algonquin Ascendancy wrote:Mighty defensive aren't you?
It's quite easy to declare from your position of privilege that "we" shouldn't care what they think of the use of their name. So, oui, one of us is demonstrably bigoted, however, it isn't me.
All "check your privilege" is, as said by others, is "you don't know because of your background". It furthermore implies that because of your background, that you are therefore infallibly correct.
There is no actual basis in it.
It's kind of some new-age, advanced reverse racism.
It's pretty fucking shameful as a "debate tactic".
by Saruhan » Sat Jun 29, 2013 12:13 am
Algonquin Ascendancy wrote:Samozaryadnyastan wrote:All "check your privilege" is, as said by others, is "you don't know because of your background". It furthermore implies that because of your background, that you are therefore infallibly correct.
There is no actual basis in it.
It's kind of some new-age, advanced reverse racism.
It's pretty fucking shameful as a "debate tactic".
I'm not right because of my background, I'm right because using something, like a name, from another culture with no concern about the effect of doing so is literally the definition of cultural insensitivity.
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by Hathradic States » Sat Jun 29, 2013 12:13 am
Algonquin Ascendancy wrote:Samozaryadnyastan wrote:All "check your privilege" is, as said by others, is "you don't know because of your background". It furthermore implies that because of your background, that you are therefore infallibly correct.
There is no actual basis in it.
It's kind of some new-age, advanced reverse racism.
It's pretty fucking shameful as a "debate tactic".
I'm not right because of my background, I'm right because using something, like a name, from another culture with no concern about the effect of doing so is literally the definition of cultural insensitivity.
by Coffee Cakes » Sat Jun 29, 2013 12:17 am
Samozaryadnyastan wrote:All "check your privilege" is, as said by others, is "you don't know because of your background". It furthermore implies that because of your background, that you are therefore infallibly correct.
There is no actual basis in it.
It's kind of some new-age, advanced reverse racism.
It's pretty fucking shameful as a "debate tactic".
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by Algonquin Ascendancy » Sat Jun 29, 2013 12:20 am
Saruhan wrote:Algonquin Ascendancy wrote:I'm not right because of my background, I'm right because using something, like a name, from another culture with no concern about the effect of doing so is literally the definition of cultural insensitivity.
Tell me then, what possible repercussions could this have? I mean having a car named after them isn't exactly a bad thing considering what native are usually known for
by The Grey Wolf » Sat Jun 29, 2013 12:22 am
Algonquin Ascendancy wrote:Saruhan wrote:Tell me then, what possible repercussions could this have? I mean having a car named after them isn't exactly a bad thing considering what native are usually known for
How many times do I have to say this before it sinks in?
"Culturally insensitive"=/="offensive".
by Samozaryadnyastan » Sat Jun 29, 2013 12:22 am
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by Algonquin Ascendancy » Sat Jun 29, 2013 12:24 am
by Hathradic States » Sat Jun 29, 2013 12:27 am
by Vitaphone Racing » Sat Jun 29, 2013 12:28 am
Mushet wrote:Vitaphone Racing wrote:I don't like bigots and people who make stereotypes. I'm not apologizing for that fact.
Yes, this position of privilege which you just assume I have even though you literally know not one thing about me and only assume I'm arguing from a position of privilege because I'm arguing against you...
We shouldn't. We aren't legally obligated to for starters.
Yes it is.
Is your sense of what is the right thing to do and the wrong thing dictated by what is legal and what isn't?
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by Algonquin Ascendancy » Sat Jun 29, 2013 12:33 am
Hathradic States wrote:Algonquin Ascendancy wrote:Which doesn't change the fact that using their name without consulting them is culturally insensitive.
"Culturally insensitive"=/="offensive".
You've mentioned that whole "culturally insensitive" =/= "offensive" thing at least twice now, Miss Makki, most of us get your point.
Now, why care if it isn't offensive? Name one good reason to.
by Hathradic States » Sat Jun 29, 2013 12:34 am
by Nazi Flower Power » Sat Jun 29, 2013 12:39 am
Hathradic States wrote:Algonquin Ascendancy wrote:Which doesn't change the fact that using their name without consulting them is culturally insensitive.
"Culturally insensitive"=/="offensive".
You've mentioned that whole "culturally insensitive" =/= "offensive" thing at least twice now, Miss Makki, most of us get your point.
Now, why care if it isn't offensive? Name one good reason to.
by Algonquin Ascendancy » Sat Jun 29, 2013 12:41 am
by Hathradic States » Sat Jun 29, 2013 12:42 am
by Hathradic States » Sat Jun 29, 2013 12:43 am
by New Maldorainia » Sat Jun 29, 2013 2:21 am
by Algonquin Ascendancy » Sat Jun 29, 2013 2:34 am
New Maldorainia wrote:Going by the idea of consulting, companies would sit around trying to find the most boring and bland names just to ensure no one was offended. You can't please everyone, and using a historic nameplate makes sense, except to enthusiasts of the original not happy with the type of vehicle this is.
by New Maldorainia » Sat Jun 29, 2013 2:36 am
Algonquin Ascendancy wrote:New Maldorainia wrote:Going by the idea of consulting, companies would sit around trying to find the most boring and bland names just to ensure no one was offended. You can't please everyone, and using a historic nameplate makes sense, except to enthusiasts of the original not happy with the type of vehicle this is.
Why? Because asking people's permission to use their name is that difficult?
As is stated in your OP, the Cherokee aren't offended by the use of their name, so what would it have cost Jeep if they had just written a letter to tribal leaders saying "We would like to use your name for one of our vehicles, is that okay with you?"
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