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Postby The Akashic Records » Fri May 31, 2013 7:31 pm

Ius wrote:I have read it, and what you just posted with all the appropriations you quoted and in the draft I have not seen any appropriations for education of any kind or for a scholarship. And since it it a draft I hope that the author will include such funds in the final proposal.

Scholarship, is under the jurisdiction of the local government.
MANDATES that of each ticket sold, 40% is to go into the World Assembly General Fund and be administered by the General Accounting Office, 30% is to go to the nation in which the ticket was sold, 20% to be awarded to the winner, or winners, of a WLD game, and 10% is to go to the WLC, to be used to cover the operational cost of the lottery;
would help them if they want to do it, otherwise, no. If you are concerned about education, these are some of the resolutions that gets funded by the World Assembly General Fund
World Assembly Resolution #80: A Promotion of Basic Education
World Assembly Resolution #159: Promotion of Intl Education
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Postby Ius » Fri May 31, 2013 7:37 pm

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Ius wrote:I have read it, and what you just posted with all the appropriations you quoted and in the draft I have not seen any appropriations for education of any kind or for a scholarship. And since it it a draft I hope that the author will include such funds in the final proposal.

Scholarship, is under the jurisdiction of the local government.
MANDATES that of each ticket sold, 40% is to go into the World Assembly General Fund and be administered by the General Accounting Office, 30% is to go to the nation in which the ticket was sold, 20% to be awarded to the winner, or winners, of a WLD game, and 10% is to go to the WLC, to be used to cover the operational cost of the lottery;
would help them if they want to do it, otherwise, no. If you are concerned about education, these are some of the resolutions that gets funded by the World Assembly General Fund
World Assembly Resolution #80: A Promotion of Basic Education
World Assembly Resolution #159: Promotion of Intl Education


If you have read my first comment you would have seen that I asked if it applied to the international governing body or to the local government.

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Postby The Akashic Records » Fri May 31, 2013 7:51 pm

Ius wrote:If you have read my first comment you would have seen that I asked if it applied to the international governing body or to the local government.

I did, but I was under the assumption that you have read the previous resolutions and rules. This [edit]resolution[/edit] applies to member nations, and I don't really see why it should mandate members to provide, or provide itself, a scholarship; that's micromanagement. The members are free to do whatever they want with their cut, and the WA gets to fund various things with it too.
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Postby Ius » Fri May 31, 2013 8:25 pm

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Ius wrote:If you have read my first comment you would have seen that I asked if it applied to the international governing body or to the local government.

I did, but I was under the assumption that you have read the previous resolutions and rules. This [edit]resolution[/edit] applies to member nations, and I don't really see why it should mandate members to provide, or provide itself, a scholarship; that's micromanagement. The members are free to do whatever they want with their cut, and the WA gets to fund various things with it too.

Well thank you for answering my simple question that has been made complex. I do support this act and I hope it will reach the floor.

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Postby Cardoness » Sat Jun 01, 2013 2:09 am

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Cardoness wrote:Your right, the title does seem to be a roadblock to passage. Thinking about changing it to "Free Fluffy Kittens for All Act", then add a clause that says everyone gets a free fluffy kitten with the purchase of their first ticket.

[edit]Actually though, I am open to thoughts on a non threatening name.[/edit]

Yay, fluffy kitties - what, I'm not allowed to support it on those grounds? Ahem. Because of the nature of the bill, it is difficult, if at all possible, to come up with a different name for it.

How about...WA Enrichment Act? (WA State Enrichment Act, World Enrichment Act, or something else along that line)

Sorry I didn't jump in there...This will provide funding to support all WA mandates. As mentioned that includes a couple of education resolutions. What the states do with their share is up to each state, same with the winners.
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Cardoness wrote:[edit]Actually though, I am open to thoughts on a non threatening name.[/edit]


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Postby Cardoness » Sat Jun 01, 2013 3:17 am

Sionis Prioratus wrote:
Cardoness wrote:[edit]Actually though, I am open to thoughts on a non threatening name.[/edit]


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NICE! :lol2:

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Postby The Oan Isles » Sat Jun 01, 2013 3:31 am

The government of the Isles Democratic Commonwealth applauds the aims of Cardoness to fund the World Assembly and the innovation of manipulating gambling to provide these funds. HOWEVER, The Isles Democratic Commonwealth has introduced anti-gambling policies which this resolution goes against thus we will not support the "World Lottery Act"

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Postby Bears Armed » Sat Jun 01, 2013 4:33 am

Cardoness wrote:Your right, the title does seem to be a roadblock to passage. Thinking about changing it to "Free Fluffy Kittens for All Act", then add a clause that says everyone gets a free fluffy kitten with the purchase of their first ticket.


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Postby Discoveria » Sat Jun 01, 2013 3:04 pm

Cardoness wrote:Your right, the title does seem to be a roadblock to passage. Thinking about changing it to "Free Fluffy Kittens for All Act", then add a clause that says everyone gets a free fluffy kitten with the purchase of their first ticket.

[edit]Actually though, I am open to thoughts on a non threatening name.[/edit]


I'd call it 'The World Assembly Lottery' and leave it at that. You can't (and shouldn't) hide the fact that this act's main effect is to establish a lottery system. "World Assembly Lottery" sounds more authoritative than "World Lottery" and "The" makes it sound even more likely to pass, IMO. :twisted:

Also, this proposal could then become the only other resolution with a title containing the phrase "The World Assembly", with the exception of GAR#1: The World Assembly. :)
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Postby The Akashic Records » Sat Jun 01, 2013 9:34 pm

Discoveria wrote:
Cardoness wrote:Your right, the title does seem to be a roadblock to passage. Thinking about changing it to "Free Fluffy Kittens for All Act", then add a clause that says everyone gets a free fluffy kitten with the purchase of their first ticket.

[edit]Actually though, I am open to thoughts on a non threatening name.[/edit]


I'd call it 'The World Assembly Lottery' and leave it at that. You can't (and shouldn't) hide the fact that this act's main effect is to establish a lottery system. "World Assembly Lottery" sounds more authoritative than "World Lottery" and "The" makes it sound even more likely to pass, IMO. :twisted:

Also, this proposal could then become the only other resolution with a title containing the phrase "The World Assembly", with the exception of GAR#1: The World Assembly. :)

That could probably work. And, as clarified, the governments need only make the lotteries available, not entirely accessible (in the case that gambling is outlawed in those member nations, they could always put it in some inhospitable location that is nearly impossible for people to reach, like say, the top of the highest mountain, or desert or wherever), so we do not see any problems, save for some stubborn "we will never allow gambling, never! Not even if they operate inside an active volcano!"
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Postby Rumostan » Sun Jun 02, 2013 3:05 am

The Akashic Records wrote:
Discoveria wrote:
I'd call it 'The World Assembly Lottery' and leave it at that. You can't (and shouldn't) hide the fact that this act's main effect is to establish a lottery system. "World Assembly Lottery" sounds more authoritative than "World Lottery" and "The" makes it sound even more likely to pass, IMO. :twisted:

Also, this proposal could then become the only other resolution with a title containing the phrase "The World Assembly", with the exception of GAR#1: The World Assembly. :)

That could probably work. And, as clarified, the governments need only make the lotteries available, not entirely accessible (in the case that gambling is outlawed in those member nations, they could always put it in some inhospitable location that is nearly impossible for people to reach, like say, the top of the highest mountain, or desert or wherever), so we do not see any problems, save for some stubborn "we will never allow gambling, never! Not even if they operate inside an active volcano!"


And I be the stubborn one. Actually yes, I could allow the WA to have some land in the middl elf the volcano and then say that the lottery can be run out of there. Yes, technically it won't be in my land so it will not be breaking my nations laws but it will be in a little bit of WA land that is part of my nation. Yes, we shall vote for the resolution if that happens, I doubt that anyone will go into the heart of a volcano to try and win the lottery.
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Postby Ardchoille » Wed Jun 05, 2013 7:37 pm

Just in case that legality question Cardoness asked for earlier is still relevant, here's the Hive Mind's ruling:
  • the General Fund is not the only legal way of funding the WA.
  • it is, however, "central" as in "main, major".
  • the General Accounting Office is a gnomish committee.
  • Previous practice (see Resolutions #36, #56 (repealed) and #131, also repealed) recognises references such as "paid into/from the WA General Fund" as a means of tasking the GAO with oversight of [specific source of income/outgo].

Not a Hive Mind ruling: @Cardoness: you can't have Free Fluffy Kittens For All because I'm adopting it as my official GA mission statement and my nation's older than yours, so ner!*

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Postby Cardoness » Fri Jun 07, 2013 12:39 pm

Thank you for the ruling. I will play around with different title ideas and then resubmit this.

OCC-I am sorry I haven't been here much the last few days. I've been working a lot and just moved, but I should be all good now and have four days off coming up so I will submit this then.
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Postby Benjamin Mark » Fri Jun 07, 2013 4:34 pm

Ambassador Reisman sits and looks at the proposal at the hand.

This is a decent, well-written proposal. You will have our full support.

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Postby Cardoness » Tue Jun 11, 2013 12:41 pm

Name changed to "World Assembly Finance Act"
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Postby Araraukar » Tue Jun 11, 2013 2:35 pm

Cardoness wrote:Name changed to "World Assembly Finance Act"

So you're looking to finance the WA via gambling? Am I the only one whom that strikes not only as odd, but possibly immoral? (You're in essence making the individual people that buy the tickets to finance the WA, not the member nations themselves.)
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Postby Alqania » Tue Jun 11, 2013 3:01 pm

Cardoness wrote:Name changed to "World Assembly Finance Act"


"A very disingenuous name, in light of the Secretariat confirmation that the General Fund is the main source of funding for the WA", Lord Raekevik objected.
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Postby Weemike » Tue Jun 11, 2013 3:30 pm

Cardoness wrote:Name changed to "World Assembly Finance Act"


The Theocracy of Weemike would like to note that it was always the content of the proposal that led to our disapproval, not the title, so this has not changed that.
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Postby Cardoness » Tue Jun 11, 2013 3:52 pm

Araraukar wrote:
Cardoness wrote:Name changed to "World Assembly Finance Act"

So you're looking to finance the WA via gambling? Am I the only one whom that strikes not only as odd, but possibly immoral? (You're in essence making the individual people that buy the tickets to finance the WA, not the member nations themselves.)

It is not all that odd, lotteries help fund many governments, as for immoral, well, no one is forced to buy tickets. They may buy tickets or not as they see fit. This is no less immoral then levying a tax on member states and calling it a donation so that it would pass the vote. This act does finance the World Assembly. It does not claim to be the only source of income, or even the primary source of income. I cannot help that many here do not read the debate threads or even the text of the resolution before voting on it. Many see "gambling" in the title and will automatically vote no without any thought to the exceptions, considerations, and loopholes written into it to accommodate those who are morally opposed to gambling while maintaining the integrity of the WA and its rules.
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Postby Araraukar » Tue Jun 11, 2013 3:55 pm

Cardoness wrote:I cannot help that many here do not read the debate threads or even the text of the resolution before voting on it. Many see "gambling" in the title and will automatically vote no without any thought to the exceptions, considerations, and loopholes written into it to accommodate those who are morally opposed to gambling while maintaining the integrity of the WA and its rules.

Considering your category is still legalizing gambling, and the proposal is wanting to set up a game of chance that the nations can't ban even if all other forms of gambling were banned, I would say that your current title is misleading at best and at worst a blatant attempt to appeal to the "cba read" crowds so as to swindle them to vote for this.
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Postby Cardoness » Tue Jun 11, 2013 4:11 pm

Araraukar wrote:
Cardoness wrote:I cannot help that many here do not read the debate threads or even the text of the resolution before voting on it. Many see "gambling" in the title and will automatically vote no without any thought to the exceptions, considerations, and loopholes written into it to accommodate those who are morally opposed to gambling while maintaining the integrity of the WA and its rules.

Considering your category is still legalizing gambling, and the proposal is wanting to set up a game of chance that the nations can't ban even if all other forms of gambling were banned, I would say that your current title is misleading at best and at worst a blatant attempt to appeal to the "cba read" crowds so as to swindle them to vote for this.

Correct, states would not be able to outright ban this lottery. However, as has been shown before (and I am willing to re-post it as many times as is needed) there are plenty of loopholes for states to exploit. If you are truly morally opposed to gambling then this resolution posses very little threat to your state.

1. A person can only buy 1 ticket per transaction
2. States can cap the number of tickets sold to 1 per person a day
3. States can dictate how the tickets are sold
4. States can dictate where tickets are sold (In the middle of a desert or frozen wasteland 1,000 miles away from anything else for example)
5. States which have limited participation in the lottery will have their lottery division suspended, meaning that the lottery will no longer be held in that state
6. States are still free to regulate or outlaw all other types of gambling
7. The money the WA get from each and every state goes into the WA General Fund, reducing the tax burden imposed on the state government by GAR #17, regardless of the level of participation

This is already as optional as it can get without breaking the "optional rule".

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The title is not misleading in that the purpose World Lottery is to help finance the World Assembly.
It is, however, a blatant attempt to appeal to the "cba read" crowds. I have no problem whatsoever with any ambassador who votes their conscience after reading the proposal. I understand there are moral concerns that go beyond the safeguards in place. But if you can't be bothered to even read the resolution you are voting on, well, I can't help you. The word "lottery" is used 8 times in the text of the proposal and "gambling" is used twice in addition to the category. A cursory glance at the text will tell you what this about.
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Postby Damanucus » Tue Jun 11, 2013 4:39 pm

Cardoness wrote:Name changed to "World Assembly Finance Act"


And does your resolution look at financing the WA, or is it that joke of a resolution which legalised a gambling game still?

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Postby Benjamin Mark » Tue Jun 11, 2013 4:39 pm

I believe the title does not suit the bill

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Postby Cardoness » Tue Jun 11, 2013 6:02 pm

Damanucus wrote:
Cardoness wrote:Name changed to "World Assembly Finance Act"


And does your resolution look at financing the WA, or is it that joke of a resolution which legalised a gambling game still?

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SEEING the great financial burden placed upon the World Assembly by General Assembly mandates;

DESIRING to provide a revenue source to assist in fully funding said mandates;

MANDATES that of each ticket sold, 40% is to go into the World Assembly General Fund and be administered by the General Accounting Office

FURTHER MANDATES that any surplus in the operational budget at the end of each year be placed into the WA General Fund;
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