If society's against hate groups, why's feminism promoted?

[Gilotopia]

Feminism gets a bad name because of people outside the movement or advocates of feminism who take it too far. Feminism doesn't imply that women are better than men, it states that females and males should be on equal footing. In a patriarchal society (our society) there is a whole lot of sexism. Women get paid less, get blamed for rape, are blamed for the inaccurate portrayal of men in media like TV shows (Only 3% of the male image in media is controlled by women), are expected to be the one to stay home and take care of the children instead of men (Society expects mothers to quit their jobs to raise children), etc. Take note that the rape culture in the world mostly blames the woman for being drunk, wearing skimpy clothes, etc. and not the rapist (I'm not ignoring the fact that men get raped too, by the way) Feminism is promoted simply because we women want equal rights and opportunities that are given to men.

[Ashmoria]

sure but i don't think that it is the job of those who are on the losing end of racism to pretend that there is no problem. ignoring it doesn't make it go away. when racists in power stop being racists then, probably, black people will stop expecting them to be racists.

There's a difference between legitimately recognizing John Smith is a racist politician and being racist against all white politicians because John Smith is both racist and white.

I'm surprised you can't discern it.

no i can. i just think that it is wise to be wary when you get trouble from certain segments of the population. that doesn't mean that its OK to think that all white people are racist assholes but that it is only natural to worry that if you are young and black in NYC that the police officer might target you for stop and frisk.

when the police in NYC no longer target young black men for stop and frisk then young black men will stop expecting nyc cops to be racist.

[Galloism]

There's a difference between legitimately recognizing John Smith is a racist politician and being racist against all white politicians because John Smith is both racist and white.

I'm surprised you can't discern it.

no i can. i just think that it is wise to be wary when you get trouble from certain segments of the population. that doesn't mean that its OK to think that all white people are racist assholes but that it is only natural to worry that if you are young and black in NYC that the police officer might target you for stop and frisk.

when the police in NYC no longer target young black men for stop and frisk then young black men will stop expecting nyc cops to be racist.

So, it's wise for white people living or visiting cities with high minority crime (which is most of them) to be extra wary of people on the street if they happen to be black or latino?

[Esternial]

no i can. i just think that it is wise to be wary when you get trouble from certain segments of the population. that doesn't mean that its OK to think that all white people are racist assholes but that it is only natural to worry that if you are young and black in NYC that the police officer might target you for stop and frisk.

when the police in NYC no longer target young black men for stop and frisk then young black men will stop expecting nyc cops to be racist.

So, it's wise for white people living or visiting cities with high minority crime (which is most of them) to be extra wary of people on the street if they happen to be black or latino?

I'd just be extra wary of everyone.

[Dusk_Kittens]

Feminism irrationally catergorises man as a beast that causes problems for all of the world, themselves and especially women. Conclusion: society values women more than men.

Also, speaking of "Feminism" as if it were one thing is inaccurate. Some refer to "waves" of Feminism, but I'm not entirely sure that's the best terminology (since, even within what some designate "Second Wave Feminism," there were and are a variety of perspectives). Some have referred to "ideologies and movements" (which I think is probably a better way to look at it: Feminism is an umbrella term under which are a variety of feminist ideologies and feminist movements, and this is how I will generally refer to the distinctions in this post, while yet acknowledging that the idea of "Waves" does have some merit). Whatever the proper terminology is, there have been, and are, various "types" of Feminism which are more or less tied to generations, but are not restricted to generations. That is, it is entirely possible for someone of the current generation to embrace the ideals of this or that ideology/movement within "Second Wave Feminism" rather than an ideology/movement within the latest manifestation (I'm not at all certain that the "Fourth Wave" has arrived yet, and if it has, I'm not at all certain that it is coterminous with "Thealogy," since that's been around since at least the '60s). I doubt the ideals of "First Wave Feminism" would be likewise, except in "Lesser Developed Countries", since that manifestation was largely concerned with women's suffrage and legally-sanctioned or legally-prescribed inequalities, which battles have been largely won in First World Countries (with very few, and usually very minor, exceptions).

Furthermore, not everyone who espouses Feminism should be painted with the same brush. For some it is a worldview that affects their outlook on everything (some people call this "Feminist Theory" in that it is the application of the ideals of this or that type of Feminism to some particular discipline, be it Literary Criticism, History, Cultural Anthropology, etc, but it's much more than that -- for these people, thinking without the dogma of their particular feminist ideology/movement is, not to be punny, unthinkable, and they approach every discipline with this perspective, which screams "worldview" to me); for others it is a philosophy that informs their worldview without usurping its place (for the latter, describing Feminism as having a "dogmatic and cultish nature" is, well, simply wrong).

And lastly, every ideology has extremists. Generalizing from those extremists to any statement about a supposed universal ideology/movement as a whole is of course fallacious. I grant that you referred to "the rabidity of some feminists" (emphasis added), and at the moment, the loudest voices in Feminism seem to be the extremists, but the overall grouping of various types of feminists into one supposedly monolithic movement obscures the fact that the extremists of some feminist ideologies/movements are nowhere near as batshit crazy as the androphobic, erotophobic, feminarchist extremists of organizations like "Equality Now!" (several of whom could likely be correctly diagnosed with DPD).

[Galloism]

So, it's wise for white people living or visiting cities with high minority crime (which is most of them) to be extra wary of people on the street if they happen to be black or latino?

I'd just be extra wary of everyone.

I mean, that's really not a bad idea, especially if you're a tourist.

But the thing is, if we argue that it's ok to be racist against white police officers because they might disproportionately harass black citizens on a statistical basis, it logically follows that city police officers should be able to disproportionately hassle black citizens, due to the fact that statistics indicate they might be more often convicted of crimes within the cities.

And around the circle we go.

[Alyska]

Feminism irrationally catergorises man as a beast that causes problems for all of the world, themselves and especially women. Conclusion: society values women more than men.

Silly rabbit, it isn't "hate" if its directed at something liberals/progressive's/leftists object to. Don't you know men have it coming to them for oppressing women throughout history?

But sarcasm aside, "feminism" is such a broad and ill-defined term that its debatable whether your definition really applies to the movement as a whole.

[Haydenish People]

Feminism does not seek to lower the status of men. It seeks to raise the status of women. Idiotic OP.

[Saiwania]

Most rapes are male on female, he simply said that most of the time when a man gets raped it's by a woman. Which I wouldn't doubt.

That is what I've been contesting, I think it is more common for males to be raped by other males than by females. But maybe I am wrong and it is my conservatism bias at work. I hear about plenty of women getting raped by males, but virtually nothing about men who were raped by women. I'm much more familiar with male on male rape from prison settings.

[Regnum Dominae]

Feminism irrationally catergorises man as a beast that causes problems for all of the world, themselves and especially women. Conclusion: society values women more than men.

[Individuality-ness]

Feminism irrationally catergorises man as a beast that causes problems for all of the world, themselves and especially women. Conclusion: society values women more than men.

This is the guy who bombs random threads to say "typical Leftist thought" or some bullshit like that. Are you surprised?

[Hurdegaryp]

This is the guy who bombs random threads to say "typical Leftist thought" or some bullshit like that. Are you surprised?

So NBoA is more like those mythical creatures that live under bridges and devour goats?

[Individuality-ness]

This is the guy who bombs random threads to say "typical Leftist thought" or some bullshit like that. Are you surprised?

So NBoA is more like those mythical creatures that live under bridges and devour goats?

You can say that. He never defends his views either.

[Hurdegaryp]

So NBoA is more like those mythical creatures that live under bridges and devour goats?

You can say that. He never defends his views either.

And the only people that more or less agree with him are puppet nations created by him (there's one in this thread) or really nasty specimens, usually those who masturbate to fantasies of totalitarian violence. The seedy underbelly of NationStates is not a pretty place.

[Individuality-ness]

You can say that. He never defends his views either.

And the only people that more or less agree with him are puppet nations created by him (there's one in this thread) or really nasty specimens, usually those who masturbate to fantasies of totalitarian violence. The seedy underbelly of NationStates is not a pretty place.

That's presuming that NSG is a pretty place in general.

[Czechanada]

So NBoA is more like those mythical creatures that live under bridges and devour goats?

You can say that. He never defends his views either.

"We need a bridge, but a working one! We need a troll, but a sober one!"

[Algonquin Ascendancy]

*shrug*

what would it be like if girls weren't raised to be wary of rape? i have no idea. its one of the cornerstones of child raising.

If you frame "Wary of being mugged" in terms of "You need to be worried about black people." you are a massive racist. You can teach people about rape in a non-gendered way, just like mugging.
It's this kind of blindness to anti-male sexism that makes me seriously suspicious of feminists.

Three times I've had to deal with a person or people attempting to rape me. All three times it was men. Tell me more about how I shouldn't be concerned about men raping me.

[Seiru]

Feminism=/=Sexism

Did I get that right?

[Mushet]

I'd just be extra wary of everyone.

I mean, that's really not a bad idea, especially if you're a tourist.

But the thing is, if we argue that it's ok to be racist against white police officers because they might disproportionately harass black citizens on a statistical basis, it logically follows that city police officers should be able to disproportionately hassle black citizens, due to the fact that statistics indicate they might be more often convicted of crimes within the cities.

And around the circle we go.

Black cops can be just as bad if not worse than white cops

[Hurdegaryp]

And the only people that more or less agree with him are puppet nations created by him (there's one in this thread) or really nasty specimens, usually those who masturbate to fantasies of totalitarian violence. The seedy underbelly of NationStates is not a pretty place.

That's presuming that NSG is a pretty place in general.

More like Bizarroland, I'm afraid. Some sections are worse than other sections, though.

[Mad hatters in jeans]

Can't we get some more imaginitive new people this summer? It is getting really tedious that they trot out the same tired shit we have seen so often before.

The same issues are trotted out every week(or at the very least every month). Without fail. It's one of the reasons the i find this forum so boring now.

[Othelos]

Feminism =/= advocating for females to dominate.

[Galloism]

If you frame "Wary of being mugged" in terms of "You need to be worried about black people." you are a massive racist. You can teach people about rape in a non-gendered way, just like mugging.
It's this kind of blindness to anti-male sexism that makes me seriously suspicious of feminists.

Three times I've had to deal with a person or people attempting to rape me. All three times it was men. Tell me more about how I shouldn't be concerned about men raping me.

So what I'm taking home from this is that I should be walking around concerned that every woman is going to rape me.

That seems... bad to me for some reason.

[Tahar Joblis]

Most rapes are male on female, he simply said that most of the time when a man gets raped it's by a woman. Which I wouldn't doubt.

That is what I've been contesting, I think it is more common for males to be raped by other males than by females. But maybe I am wrong and it is my conservatism bias at work. I hear about plenty of women getting raped by males, but virtually nothing about men who were raped by women. I'm much more familiar with male on male rape from prison settings.

It all depends on how you define rape. If you think that a woman forcing a man to put his penis into her vagina is rape, then most rape of men is performed by women. See the "made to penetrate" category, in which about four in five male victims are only victimized by women; which in turn is a clear majority of male victims even including the "rape" category.

This is, of course, contrary to how some of the more influential feminists, e.g., Mary Koss, define rape, and contrary to most legal and official definitions of rape; though most people, both here and, I would suggest, IRL, would say that it is rape if confronted with the scenario. I ran a poll here on NSG to be sure, and yes, I'm far from the only person who thinks that failing to define "made to penetrate" as rape is wrong.

Fact of the matter is, most research done on rape doesn't even ask about men being victimized by women in this way - or at all.

[Euroslavia]

We promote Feminism.

Not Feminazism.

I find that combination of words to be insulting to National Socialism... A bunch of sexually-frustrated uptight cunts and dykes who are too ugly to find a man to fuck them and hence resort to each other cannot be legitimately mentioned in the same sentence with the courageous German women who endured the hardships of war on the home front for the glory of the Fatherland.

Who came up with this Feminazi thing anyway?

We will not tolerate this sort of behavior, one that you've continually pushed and have received an incredibly long list of warnings and bans. If you decide to create a new nation, I'd strongly recommend that you change your posting habits. Your offensive responses are clearly beyond the boundaries of our rules.

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