Most powerful country in Europe? (doesn't include russia)

[Things But Not Stuff]

They totally will. And they’ll do it, this time, without people chopping the German economy (and country) into bite-sized pieces, only to later be outclassed by the German economy, again.

But really, I don't feel bad about the Germans leading us, actually...

Neither do I, but I’m a Californian. I mean, at least Germany has a solid government this time around, doesn’t have eugenics on the brain and doesn’t have a madman trying to establish a new Reich.

[Stahn]

It must be either France or the UK. Germany spends a lot less on their military and has no carrier fleet.
Lately France has been spending more on their military then the UK but France doesn't have a good reputation but I am not sure that is very fair.

I would say that the UK might be the strongest by a small margin.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Country with the most influence? Vatican City. A billion followers, in about 150 countries. It's followers include many prominent men of wealth, leaders of countries and sometimes entire countries. Were, lets say, Italy to declare war on the King of the Vatican, it would become a slaughter, and I wonder who would win.

Its colonies are, among others, Italy, Spain, Mexico, most of middle America, most of South Amerika, and large parts of Africa. While granting them some manner of independence, it is clear that they control a great deal of internal affairs within those countries. Try getting an abortion in Texas.

So close, but not quite. The Holy See is distinct from Vatican City, and the Holy See is the one with a billion followers in about 150 countries, etc. Vatican City is basically an overly-large fancy residence for the Pope, less of a city-state and more of a mansion-state to be honest, although a very very large mansion.

But the person seated on the Holy See, the king of the Vatican, executes the power of the See. And, by extraordinary coincidence, this happens to be the Pope. I think I can be safe to say that the Vatican, the home of the holy see, and also the name of the country, is quite powerful.

I am happy to see other people watch CGP too...

[Neo Lugdnunum]

France has the biggest military, the best equipment, the best projection force and nukes. Plus it still controls half of Africa.

Germany being slightly better economically speaking isn't that relevant, considered they rely on France for half their trade.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

But, my dear Things But Not Stuff, I could be entirely wrong on that. I will have to relearn everything I know about Vatican City, the Holy See, and the Pope.

[Things But Not Stuff]

So close, but not quite. The Holy See is distinct from Vatican City, and the Holy See is the one with a billion followers in about 150 countries, etc. Vatican City is basically an overly-large fancy residence for the Pope, less of a city-state and more of a mansion-state to be honest, although a very very large mansion.

But the person seated on the Holy See, the king of the Vatican, executes the power of the See. And, by extraordinary coincidence, this happens to be the Pope. I think I can be safe to say that the Vatican, the home of the holy see, and also the name of the country, is quite powerful.

I am happy to see other people watch CGP too...

That’s just the thing though, the Vatican has no influence over the Holy See, but the Holy See has a lot of influence, absolute influence really, over the Vatican. The Pope isn’t the Pope because he is the Head of State of the Vatican, he’s the Pope because he’s the Bishop of Rome, and the Holy See is a distinct sovereign entity from the Vatican, with its own foreign affairs.

[Consortium of Manchukuo]

France. It has nuclear weapons, demographically growing population, strong navy, strong army, not sure about it's air force but anyway... So they are at least on par with the only other country in Europe to have nuclear weapons, the UK, and such nukes set them above the Germans. Economically and the like it would probably go to the Germans though, although France's nuclear power generation would help them in the event of any conflict. Not to mention their stronger navy to blockade the Germans.

[Neo Lugdnunum]

France. It has nuclear weapons, demographically growing population, strong navy, strong army, not sure about it's air force but anyway... So they are at least on par with the only other country in Europe to have nuclear weapons, the UK, and such nukes set them above the Germans. Economically and the like it would probably go to the Germans though, although France's nuclear power generation would help them in the event of any conflict. Not to mention their stronger navy to blockade the Germans.

The french air force is less numerous than the UK, but it fields Rafales, which are considerably better than eurofighters.

[Ostroeuropa]

Define power.
If we're including soft power, almost certainly the UK.
Production capability and outright ability to win a long, drawn out war? Germany. Problem is those wars will never happen again between great powers.
Ability to win a short, quick war? Either the UK or France. (They lack germany's ability to build lots and lots of stuff over time, but already have larger amounts of stuff to immediately expend.)
If we're going for economic power, again, it's the UK.


Before you laugh, you have to define power. The UK has it's investments in other countries, which means it influences them.
Germany is invested in itself.


The Chinese put the UK as the 2nd most powerful nation in the world.
The UN classes the UK as the only global power besides the USA. (Unsure if they also include france.)

[Nieuw Kaap]

The Netherlands is 5th economy of Europe. With a population of just 16 million.

[Ostroeuropa]

The Netherlands is 5th economy of Europe. With a population of just 16 million.

That's also true. It's like the UK in that it's global outlook gives it a lot of clout outside europe.
Whereas if germany tells a country to do something, if they aren't european, they will just laugh.

[United commonwealth of ayrshire]

Britain, and i think it will be proved when there is the referendum to leave the EU.
i think we should stay in the EU, and the EU thinks so too, so if we decide to stay, they will probably realise how important Britain is by giving us special rules about immigration (which is currently causing the problem)

Er, you got them already. Schengen Treaty: you were allowed to stay outside.

So, frankly, as much as I love having Britain in the EU, time has come for them to realize they're no special snowflake, or to leave altogether.

i'd leave then, because we're britain and we are a "special snowflake."

[Unitaristic Regions]

But really, I don't feel bad about the Germans leading us, actually...

Neither do I, but I’m a Californian. I mean, at least Germany has a solid government this time around, doesn’t have eugenics on the brain and doesn’t have a madman trying to establish a new Reich.

Agreed. The Germans are really trying hard to show that they're not nazis, it's actually kind of adorable...

[Ostroeuropa]

Neither do I, but I’m a Californian. I mean, at least Germany has a solid government this time around, doesn’t have eugenics on the brain and doesn’t have a madman trying to establish a new Reich.

Agreed. The Germans are really trying hard to show that they're not nazis, it's actually kind of adorable...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... RTngtsOY8Q
Relevant.

[Neo Lugdnunum]

Also, if it can help :

[Combine lithuania]

Russia isn't part of Europe, its only part of eurovision

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russia is a part of the europe and asia look at the maps of europe ull see russia and in asia maps idiot

[Ostroeuropa]

Also, if it can help :

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The NPI is pretty absurd as it puts too much emphasis on hard power.
Given that NATO acts as a bloc these days, an individual nations hard power is irrelevant. What IS relevant is soft power.

[The New Lowlands]

Economically Germany,
Militarily France.
Britain's the third wheel of the 'triumvirate.'

[Unitaristic Regions]

Also, if it can help :

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The NPI is pretty absurd as it puts too much emphasis on hard power.
Given that NATO acts as a bloc these days, an individual nations hard power is irrelevant. What IS relevant is soft power.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=2oK_trZhVdk

Relevant.

[Undivulged Principles]

The US.

[Unitaristic Regions]

The US.

[Neo Lugdnunum]

Also, if it can help :

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The NPI is pretty absurd as it puts too much emphasis on hard power.
Given that NATO acts as a bloc these days, an individual nations hard power is irrelevant. What IS relevant is soft power.

Yes, the first column is quite irrelevant, but the others aren't really.

Military power is still relevant, some countries still use it to get advantages in countries outside blocs (France in Ivory coast and Mali lately).

[Churchilland]

I'd say a tie between the UK and Germany, the UK has the banks which give the German industry the money that goes back to the banks and then back to Germany on an infinite cycle...

[Nationalist State of Knox]

The US.

Source?

[The New Lowlands]

I'd say a tie between the UK and Germany, the UK has the banks which give the German industry the money that goes back to the banks and then back to Germany on an infinite cycle...

Germany has banks.
Vhere is your Gott now, Engeland?!