Obama Impeachment

[Cosara]

Benghazi (peeps died)

You know, I've seen this before, and the big complaint the right seems to level is "PEOPLE DIED!"

...ok. Yes. 4 people died. 4 people died violently. That's a tragedy.

...what of it?

Now I'm not being cruel. I'm not being flippant. 4 people DID die, and that's a shame. But..you get that in September 2012, this particular country was in the middle of a fairly violent civil war, yeah? People were dying every single day, right? you understand this, yes?

So while yes, people died and that's a shame, how is this in any way the President's fault? And I'm serious here, I really want to answer this, because from where I stand "4 people die during midst of sectarian violence and civil war" that's...well that's kinda what happens in sectarian violence and civil war, right?

And again, this is sorta what diplomats, you know, do. That's the job they signed on for. To go into the dark and dangerous corners of the world, and try to make them a little less dark, and a little less dangerous. Diplomacy is not an easy game. It's not a safe game. And it's not a game that people who willingly enter into do so blindly.

So, and really, I'm really, TRULY asking here, why is "four people died during a civil war doing a job they knew would be dangerous, and agreed to do anyway" really all THAT big a deal? Yes, people are dead and that's sad.

But 4 people dying during a civil war, doing a job they knew was dangerous and decided to do anyway...forgive me for being a bit callous, but...so? Why is this something we really care about? People die violently every single day, most of them NOT in situations that they willingly agreed to, knowing what they were getting into. Why are we so concerned about 4 who did?

Oh, right. The black thing. Carry on then.

Benghazi was a cover-up. Chris Stevens even told his Deputy over the phone that they were under attack. His Deputy then alerted the state department and updated them throughout the night. He even chartered a plan so that troops could be sent in to help them, only to realize that the troops were given the order to stand down and not to go. Also, the CIA had it right the next day. The original talking points said that it was a terrorist attack, but the State Department and White House changed them to blame it on a video which obviously had nothing to do with it (You don't bring mortars and rocket propelled grenades to a spontaneous demonstration).

[Nadkor]

Good day gentlemen.

Ah, the passive-aggressive 'politeness' of someone with nothing.

Seen it all before, sweetheart.

[Neo Art]

Good day gentlemen.

Ah, the passive-aggressive 'politeness' of someone with nothing.

Seen it all before, sweetheart.

I love this I SAID GOOD DAY bit, it's like you can forgive everything as long as it's followed by "no disrespect".

You're a filthy, STD stricken whore. No disrespect.

[Wikkiwallana]

Why were security personnel denied, and reduced.

Because diplomatic sites are constantly requesting more security, like all the fucking time, and we just don't have the resource to give it to all of them whenever they ask, especially not after the GOP cut the security budget. We're playing musical chairs here, giving more security to one site is going to mean taking it from others, and it's only a matter of time until we pick wrong. This, however is not the topic of the thread, and if you want to discuss it further, go here.

[Wikkiwallana]

And an excellent post it was. Did you read my response there?

Was yours the "jesus christ, why would the us military unveil secret transporter technology to the world just to save four people's lives?"

Made me laugh.

It was, and thank you.

[Bilgeria]

"we don't leave people behind"? That's your argument? That's your position? That military, security, and intelligent priorities should be dictated by a line from Rambo? That's where you're going with this?

This is Realpolitik junior, not Call of Duty. Grow up.

Apparently nobody was left behind in the Phillippines after Japan went wild, and Bataan was just a charity walk.

The men will do what they can to bring you back. 1993 anyone? Battle of Mogadishu? 18 men died for 2 pilots?

Its not a perfect system, but to completely disregard cries for help makes me sick.

[The Emerald Dawn]

You know, I've seen this before, and the big complaint the right seems to level is "PEOPLE DIED!"

...ok. Yes. 4 people died. 4 people died violently. That's a tragedy.

...what of it?

Now I'm not being cruel. I'm not being flippant. 4 people DID die, and that's a shame. But..you get that in September 2012, this particular country was in the middle of a fairly violent civil war, yeah? People were dying every single day, right? you understand this, yes?

So while yes, people died and that's a shame, how is this in any way the President's fault? And I'm serious here, I really want to answer this, because from where I stand "4 people die during midst of sectarian violence and civil war" that's...well that's kinda what happens in sectarian violence and civil war, right?

And again, this is sorta what diplomats, you know, do. That's the job they signed on for. To go into the dark and dangerous corners of the world, and try to make them a little less dark, and a little less dangerous. Diplomacy is not an easy game. It's not a safe game. And it's not a game that people who willingly enter into do so blindly.

So, and really, I'm really, TRULY asking here, why is "four people died during a civil war doing a job they knew would be dangerous, and agreed to do anyway" really all THAT big a deal? Yes, people are dead and that's sad.

But 4 people dying during a civil war, doing a job they knew was dangerous and decided to do anyway...forgive me for being a bit callous, but...so? Why is this something we really care about? People die violently every single day, most of them NOT in situations that they willingly agreed to, knowing what they were getting into. Why are we so concerned about 4 who did?

Oh, right. The black thing. Carry on then.

Benghazi was a cover-up. Chris Stevens even told his Deputy over the phone that they were under attack. His Deputy then alerted the state department and updated them throughout the night. He even chartered a plan so that troops could be sent in to help them, only to realize that the troops were given the order to stand down and not to go. Also, the CIA had it right the next day. The original talking points said that it was a terrorist attack, but the State Department and White House changed them to blame it on a video which obviously had nothing to do with it (You don't bring mortars and rocket propelled grenades to a spontaneous demonstration).

He wanted to pull troops from Tripoli to go to Benghazi.

Tell me, are you familiar with the term "feint"?

[Neo Art]

Apparently nobody was left behind in the Phillippines after Japan went wild, and Bataan was just a charity walk.

The men will do what they can to bring you back. 1993 anyone? Battle of Mogadishu? 18 men died for 2 pilots?

Yes. 18 people died to save 2 lives. This is what we call in the real world "a bad call". Sacrificing 18 lives for 2, without any strategic gain, is a bad call. It simply is. Childish and overly simplistic notions of "honor" notwithstanding.

Its not a perfect system, but to completely disregard cries for help makes me sick.

Then, again I recommend you base your understanding of political realities upon the actual world we actually live in, and not video games. Fortunately, we do not make decisions of national policy based on what disturbs the delicate sensibilities of some guy on the internet with an "honor fetish"

[The Emerald Dawn]

Apparently nobody was left behind in the Phillippines after Japan went wild, and Bataan was just a charity walk.

The men will do what they can to bring you back. 1993 anyone? Battle of Mogadishu? 18 men died for 2 pilots?

Its not a perfect system, but to completely disregard cries for help makes me sick.

And its clear you've never served in the military, because you can't save them all.

This isn't Hollywood.

[Bilgeria]

Why were security personnel denied, and reduced.

Because diplomatic sites are constantly requesting more security, like all the fucking time, and we just don't have the resource to give it to all of them whenever they ask, especially not after the GOP cut the security budget. We're playing musical chairs here, giving more security to one site is going to mean taking it from others, and it's only a matter of time until we pick wrong. This, however is not the topic of the thread, and if you want to discuss it further, go here.

They have to cut it some how. You could cut every single thing in the US budget other then required spending (Medicare, welfare and Interest) and the country is still running a debt by a few hundred billion. Dems wont cut entitlements, so money has to be moved around. Money is not the issue, and hicks explained this.

[DesAnges]

Anybody who said yes is an idiot.

Just saying.

I voted yes just to see what being a bad biff would be like.

It wasn't as fun as I hoped.

[United Dependencies]

Then again I recommend you base your understanding of political realities upon the actual world we actually live in, and not video games.

"What do you mean we can't send in Gordan Freeman to save the Ambassador?

Do we at least have that girl with the crazy gun-thing?"

[Neo Art]

Then again I recommend you base your understanding of political realities upon the actual world we actually live in, and not video games.

"What do you mean we can't send in Gordan Freeman to save the Ambassador?

Do we at least have that girl with the crazy gun-thing?"

What do you MEAN we're all out of cake?

[Ifreann]

Almost everything that corrupt piece of shit does, is a violation of the constitution.

I didn't know you had such a flimsy grasp on the Constitution.

It's pretty old, it might fall apart if you grip too tight.

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Does this war spread to the territory of the United States? Been outside lately? I do not know where you live, or even if you live in the US. I assume you do. And in that case, I am fairly confident that there is no combat action over there.

I am unaware that the united states federal government has ever, at any time during the current administration, attempted the assassination of US citizens on US soil. You're paranoid

That just means they're going about it in secret. *tinfoil hat*

[Bilgeria]

Then again I recommend you base your understanding of political realities upon the actual world we actually live in, and not video games.

"What do you mean we can't send in Gordan Freeman to save the Ambassador?

Do we at least have that girl with the crazy gun-thing?"

Tank girl? Or am I missing the reference?

[Neo Art]

The men will do what they can to bring you back. 1993 anyone? Battle of Mogadishu? 18 men died for 2 pilots?

Its not a perfect system, but to completely disregard cries for help makes me sick.

And its clear you've never served in the military, because you can't save them all.

This isn't Hollywood.

I've assembled a crack team of internet warriors. It's me, Nadkor, three summertime ITGs, a fake white supremacist troll, and 17 Objectiveland puppets.

we will bring back your legs alive

[Gauthier]

"What do you mean we can't send in Gordan Freeman to save the Ambassador?

Do we at least have that girl with the crazy gun-thing?"

What do you MEAN we're all out of cake?

Blame the Sequester. Slashed the Cake Budget by over half.

[United Dependencies]

That just means they're going about it in secret. *tinfoil hat*

Tinfoil is a terrible choice for trying to block anything out.

You should try a lead hat.

[Antic Master Fegelein]

And its clear you've never served in the military, because you can't save them all.

This isn't Hollywood.

I've assembled a crack team of internet warriors. It's me, Nadkor, three summertime ITGs, a fake white supremacist troll, and 17 Objectiveland puppets.

we will bring back your legs alive

ill be the anti troll shield.

[Ifreann]

That just means they're going about it in secret. *tinfoil hat*

Tinfoil is a terrible choice for trying to block anything out.

You should try a lead hat.

I used to, but my neck can't handle it.

[United Dependencies]

I've assembled a crack team of internet warriors. It's me, Nadkor, three summertime ITGs, a fake white supremacist troll, and 17 Objectiveland puppets.

we will bring back your legs alive

Feel free to sacrifice some of your team members if the need presents itself.

[Gauthier]

And its clear you've never served in the military, because you can't save them all.

This isn't Hollywood.

I've assembled a crack team of internet warriors. It's me, Nadkor, three summertime ITGs, a fake white supremacist troll, and 17 Objectiveland puppets.

we will bring back your legs alive

The @eam

[Nailed to the Perch]

And its clear you've never served in the military, because you can't save them all.

This isn't Hollywood.

I've assembled a crack team of internet warriors. It's me, Nadkor, three summertime ITGs, a fake white supremacist troll, and 17 Objectiveland puppets.

we will bring back your legs alive

...I would watch that movie.

[Neo Art]

I've assembled a crack team of internet warriors. It's me, Nadkor, three summertime ITGs, a fake white supremacist troll, and 17 Objectiveland puppets.

we will bring back your legs alive

The @eam

Winner.

[Vistulange]

It's shocking that 27% of NSG thinks "Yes, he should be impeached".