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Postby Eliasonia » Wed Mar 13, 2013 7:20 pm

What is this 'murica of which you speak?
America hasn't gone anywhere, nor will it for a long time.
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Wed Mar 13, 2013 7:20 pm

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United Kingdom of Poland wrote:and the south will get knocked the fuck out again, just like the last time.


On a related note, don't you just love the people who thought the South technically won?


Or people who actually thought that the South did win.
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Postby Johto and Kanto » Wed Mar 13, 2013 7:25 pm

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Secius wrote:
On a related note, don't you just love the people who thought the South technically won?


Or people who actually thought that the South did win.

Who?
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Postby Herador » Wed Mar 13, 2013 7:25 pm

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Secius wrote:
On a related note, don't you just love the people who thought the South technically won?


Or people who actually thought that the South did win.

How?
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Mar 13, 2013 7:26 pm

Asasia wrote:I wish that we could have a time similar to the 1950s when America was a proud nation to live in(for Whites that is) when America had the best schools, the economy was booming, and life was just great!

You complain about 'rampant consumerism' and then want to go back to when we created rampant consumerism. Well, not created it, but laid the modern groundwork.

It's the time we started convincing everyone you needed the latest appliances, the newest cars, the greenest lawn, etc etc etc.

And it wasn't competitiveness that drove us, it was fear, fear of communism that was so profound we were dragging people before congressional committees just to see if they ever had been a member of the communist party.

Basically you want right now except with asbestos, lead paint, and white's only drug counters.
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Postby Secius » Wed Mar 13, 2013 7:26 pm

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Secius wrote:
On a related note, don't you just love the people who thought the South technically won?


Or people who actually thought that the South did win.


Please tell me you are joking. I might have just lost all the patriotism I built up over the past hour.
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Postby Shrillland » Wed Mar 13, 2013 7:27 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Asasia wrote:I wish that we could have a time similar to the 1950s when America was a proud nation to live in(for Whites that is) when America had the best schools, the economy was booming, and life was just great!

You complain about 'rampant consumerism' and then want to go back to when we created rampant consumerism. Well, not created it, but laid the modern groundwork.

It's the time we started convincing everyone you needed the latest appliances, the newest cars, the greenest lawn, etc etc etc.

And it wasn't competitiveness that drove us, it was fear, fear of communism that was so profound we were dragging people before congressional committees just to see if they ever had been a member of the communist party.

Basically you want right now except with asbestos, lead paint, and white's only drug counters.


And it's also the only reason we never developed a European Welfare State, which would have meant a much stronger nation than we are now.
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Postby Grand Britannia » Wed Mar 13, 2013 7:27 pm

Johto and Kanto wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Or people who actually thought that the South did win.

Who?

Southerners, most likely.
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Postby Secius » Wed Mar 13, 2013 7:28 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Asasia wrote:I wish that we could have a time similar to the 1950s when America was a proud nation to live in(for Whites that is) when America had the best schools, the economy was booming, and life was just great!

You complain about 'rampant consumerism' and then want to go back to when we created rampant consumerism. Well, not created it, but laid the modern groundwork.

It's the time we started convincing everyone you needed the latest appliances, the newest cars, the greenest lawn, etc etc etc.

And it wasn't competitiveness that drove us, it was fear, fear of communism that was so profound we were dragging people before congressional committees just to see if they ever had been a member of the communist party.

Basically you want right now except with asbestos, lead paint, and white's only drug counters.



And rampant prosperity. Guys, there is NOTHING WRONG WITH CONSUMERISM. It's only when it becomes all that we do, that it becomes an issue.
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Postby Ralkovia » Wed Mar 13, 2013 7:28 pm

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Postby Eliasonia » Wed Mar 13, 2013 7:28 pm

Secius wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Or people who actually thought that the South did win.


Please tell me you are joking. I might have just lost all the patriotism I built up over the past hour.

Only true rednecks think the South actually won. Don't let your patriotism be destroyed by rednecks, you're better than that!
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Mar 13, 2013 7:30 pm

Secius wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:You complain about 'rampant consumerism' and then want to go back to when we created rampant consumerism. Well, not created it, but laid the modern groundwork.

It's the time we started convincing everyone you needed the latest appliances, the newest cars, the greenest lawn, etc etc etc.

And it wasn't competitiveness that drove us, it was fear, fear of communism that was so profound we were dragging people before congressional committees just to see if they ever had been a member of the communist party.

Basically you want right now except with asbestos, lead paint, and white's only drug counters.



And rampant prosperity. Guys, there is NOTHING WRONG WITH CONSUMERISM. It's only when it becomes all that we do, that it becomes an issue.

Well, as long as you die before the train runs out of steam...
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Postby Eliasonia » Wed Mar 13, 2013 7:30 pm

Shrillland wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:You complain about 'rampant consumerism' and then want to go back to when we created rampant consumerism. Well, not created it, but laid the modern groundwork.

It's the time we started convincing everyone you needed the latest appliances, the newest cars, the greenest lawn, etc etc etc.

And it wasn't competitiveness that drove us, it was fear, fear of communism that was so profound we were dragging people before congressional committees just to see if they ever had been a member of the communist party.

Basically you want right now except with asbestos, lead paint, and white's only drug counters.


And it's also the only reason we never developed a European Welfare State, which would have meant a much stronger nation than we are now.

Looking at all the economic problems in Europe, are you seriously suggesting that being a welfare state is a good thing?
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Whose balls were constructed of brass.
In stormy weather
They'd clang together
And lightening shot out of his ass. :D

New East Ireland wrote:
East germanias wrote:no"
*continues to cry*

*Gives a stuffed Hath doll*
Here you go.. When you squeeze its weenier, it talks and shoots fire from it's eyes..

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Necro-Paroom wrote:*Leaks pus*

*leaks cum*
:blush: I'm just very excited to be here
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Mar 13, 2013 7:31 pm

Eliasonia wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
And it's also the only reason we never developed a European Welfare State, which would have meant a much stronger nation than we are now.

Looking at all the economic problems in Europe, are you seriously suggesting that being a welfare state is a good thing?

Because we're fucking trouble free, right?
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Postby Shrillland » Wed Mar 13, 2013 7:32 pm

Eliasonia wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
And it's also the only reason we never developed a European Welfare State, which would have meant a much stronger nation than we are now.

Looking at all the economic problems in Europe, are you seriously suggesting that being a welfare state is a good thing?


Well, that's got more to do with debt than anything else, but they brought it upon themselves by insisting upon Austerity which never works.
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Wed Mar 13, 2013 7:32 pm

Johto and Kanto wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Or people who actually thought that the South did win.

Who?


Southern rednecks who refuse to to accept that the South isn't what they really think it is.
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Postby Great Holy Prussia » Wed Mar 13, 2013 7:35 pm

America is fucked. Many more people are praising Guns, many more are becoming stupid and ignorant people, and the Economy has gotten a huge blow, and it might bring America, and the rest of the war, into another Great Depression. I suggest the Smart Americans to move north to Canada, unless you are in Alaska, then you move east into Canada. Hawaiians just have to take a boat ride North-East.
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Postby Eliasonia » Wed Mar 13, 2013 7:36 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Eliasonia wrote:Looking at all the economic problems in Europe, are you seriously suggesting that being a welfare state is a good thing?

Because we're fucking trouble free, right?

Nobody's trouble free, that's what happens when something goes wrong in a global economy. It affects everybody. The US is shoveling buckets of money into China, Europe has 3 countries on the verge of defaulting that are depending on loans from Germany to stay afloat. China may be doing well for now, but once that bubble economy they've got going on right now pops they're going to be in the same situation as everyone else. It's a lose - lose situation wherever you are. Doing shitty during a global recession is hardly a pure American characteristic...
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In stormy weather
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Postby Meryuma » Wed Mar 13, 2013 7:40 pm

Asasia wrote:I wish that we could have a time similar to the 1950s when America was a proud nation to live in(for Whites that is) when America had the best schools, the economy was booming, and life was just great! To help back my statement about competitiveness, let's take the Space Program for example, in the 1950s and 60s America were in the Space Race to get to the moon. Back then, America was busting their asses to get to the moon, and the competition kept up for a long time.


I have no interest in returning to a time where I'd be beaten for being autistic and jailed for being gay.

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Postby Curiosityness » Wed Mar 13, 2013 7:40 pm

Esparmuran wrote:Did you say 'MURICA?

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Postby Eliasonia » Wed Mar 13, 2013 7:41 pm

Great Holy Prussia wrote:America is fucked. Many more people are praising Guns, many more are becoming stupid and ignorant people, and the Economy has gotten a huge blow, and it might bring America, and the rest of the war, into another Great Depression. I suggest the Smart Americans to move north to Canada, unless you are in Alaska, then you move east into Canada. Hawaiians just have to take a boat ride North-East.

How are guns fucking America exactly?
And this is coming from a New Englander.
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Liberals: Promoting Freedom, unless it's guns, hunting, tobacco, food, what you can drive, how much money you can make, what you can say, and where you can pray
Maineiacs wrote:There once was a man from Belfast
Whose balls were constructed of brass.
In stormy weather
They'd clang together
And lightening shot out of his ass. :D

New East Ireland wrote:
East germanias wrote:no"
*continues to cry*

*Gives a stuffed Hath doll*
Here you go.. When you squeeze its weenier, it talks and shoots fire from it's eyes..

Mushet wrote:
Necro-Paroom wrote:*Leaks pus*

*leaks cum*
:blush: I'm just very excited to be here
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Wed Mar 13, 2013 7:43 pm

Eliasonia wrote:
Great Holy Prussia wrote:America is fucked. Many more people are praising Guns, many more are becoming stupid and ignorant people, and the Economy has gotten a huge blow, and it might bring America, and the rest of the war, into another Great Depression. I suggest the Smart Americans to move north to Canada, unless you are in Alaska, then you move east into Canada. Hawaiians just have to take a boat ride North-East.

How are guns fucking America exactly?
And this is coming from a New Englander.


http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_guns_are_in_the_United_States_of_America

The FBI estimates that there are over 200 million privately-owned firearms in the US. If you add those owned by the military, law enforcement agencies and museums, there is probably about 1 gun per person in the country.
If you want to get a rough idea of how many guns there are out there just look at how many people you see out there then multiply by a factor of estimated ownership. The last best guess was about 350,000,000 Total. That would be 1 weapon for every man woman and child. The average gun enthusiast owns several firearms which includes pistols, shotguns, and rifles of all makes and models. It is often estimated that about 1 in 4 people own any firearms and on average firearms owners own 4 guns each.

No one knows the exact number of firearms owned by private citizens in the US, In 1995, the BATFE estimated that there were about 223 million firearms owned by individuals in the US. The number has increased since then.
There is no definitive answer, because most states don't require registration.

The Small Arms Survey in 2007 by the Graduate Institute of International Studies in Geneva estimated 270 million firearms in the US.

There have been 156,577,620 gun registry applications submitted to the National Firearms Administration (NFA) from Nov 1998 to Nov 2012.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Mar 13, 2013 7:44 pm

Eliasonia wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Because we're fucking trouble free, right?

Nobody's trouble free, that's what happens when something goes wrong in a global economy. It affects everybody. The US is shoveling buckets of money into China, Europe has 3 countries on the verge of defaulting that are depending on loans from Germany to stay afloat. China may be doing well for now, but once that bubble economy they've got going on right now pops they're going to be in the same situation as everyone else. It's a lose - lose situation wherever you are. Doing shitty during a global recession is hardly a pure American characteristic...

Oh, so when we have a problem it's a global economy thing (that we created...but anyway...) but when Europe has a problem it's a rebuke of their entire system.

Cool. Glad we sorted that out.

Also, do you have any idea what percentage of American debt China has?
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Postby Voldoviana » Wed Mar 13, 2013 7:45 pm

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Eliasonia wrote:How are guns fucking America exactly?
And this is coming from a New Englander.


http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_guns_are_in_the_United_States_of_America

The FBI estimates that there are over 200 million privately-owned firearms in the US. If you add those owned by the military, law enforcement agencies and museums, there is probably about 1 gun per person in the country.
If you want to get a rough idea of how many guns there are out there just look at how many people you see out there then multiply by a factor of estimated ownership. The last best guess was about 350,000,000 Total. That would be 1 weapon for every man woman and child. The average gun enthusiast owns several firearms which includes pistols, shotguns, and rifles of all makes and models. It is often estimated that about 1 in 4 people own any firearms and on average firearms owners own 4 guns each.

No one knows the exact number of firearms owned by private citizens in the US, In 1995, the BATFE estimated that there were about 223 million firearms owned by individuals in the US. The number has increased since then.
There is no definitive answer, because most states don't require registration.

The Small Arms Survey in 2007 by the Graduate Institute of International Studies in Geneva estimated 270 million firearms in the US.

There have been 156,577,620 gun registry applications submitted to the National Firearms Administration (NFA) from Nov 1998 to Nov 2012.


And yet the violent crime in Britain is 3.5 times that of the US. The guns aren't the problem. It's our greedy, materialistic culture that's to blame.

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Postby Shrillland » Wed Mar 13, 2013 7:50 pm

Voldoviana wrote:


And yet the violent crime in Britain is 3.5 times that of the US. The guns aren't the problem. It's our greedy, materialistic culture that's to blame.



Guns aren't a problem, I agree. In Britain the rate's higher for the simple reason that if you know there's a chance your victim may be armed, they're less likely to attack you.
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