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Benomia
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Postby Benomia » Sun Mar 10, 2013 6:03 am

I created a fake (by created I do not mean created an account for) nation to be used as the IC "backnation" (compare the US to England, that is me to this nation) by the name of "Blackmoor". So, for RP purposes, one day I decide to create the nation "Blackmoor" on the actual site.

This is what I get:

Ancient nation Blackmoor
Founded: Antiquity
Last activity: Tue Jan 14 2003
Population: 161 million


And a "reserved" message. What's the problem? Does this not fit the "rezzerecktable" criteria?
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Postby Vladisvok Destino » Sun Mar 10, 2013 6:07 am

It would probably help if you read the entire page it gives you:

Deleted nation Blackmoor
Founded: Sat Jun 16 2012
Ceased to exist: Sat Sep 22 2012
Population: 538 million


Ancient nation Blackmoor
Founded: Antiquity
Last activity: Tue Jan 14 2003
Population: 161 million

Reserved: This name was used by a former nation of significant size.
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Postby Benomia » Sun Mar 10, 2013 6:07 am

I didn't even notice that.

Ah well. It was worth a shot.
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The Sovereign Hawaiian Islands
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Postby The Sovereign Hawaiian Islands » Sun Mar 10, 2013 10:47 pm

I so bad want the name Hawaii. Is there any chance that the moderators might make an exception and release that name?
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Postby United Gordonopia » Sun Mar 10, 2013 11:40 pm

Since the question seems to come up so much...

mods, why not just put in big, bold, maybe colorful letters at the top of this OP 'NO, we will not make a special exception for your name'.
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Parhe
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Nation name release!

Postby Parhe » Mon Mar 11, 2013 1:27 am

The Most Glorious Hack wrote:
The FAQ wrote:Someone has taken control of my nation!

It is against the rules to hijack someone else's nation, and if we see someone do it, we'll ban them. If we don't see it happen, though, and someone changes your password and e-mail address, I'm afraid you're on your own. As far as the game is concerned, your government has been overthrown in a coup.

Though I have more question of how this relates to the following:
NationStates Moderators → The Beatus
10 days ago
EDIT: Took out the body but left the relative time and natiin sent to so it could be referenced.

Of course that itself had nothing to do with the question I asked, as described in my response to this. Partly because I was reporting log in eroors rather than someone actually accessing the account, partly because this was a nation I had actually recently acquired when I reported it, and partly since I had not loaned any nation in quite some time-been at least half a year although others have let me borrow their nations during the time. Anyhow, now I have a few questions on it.

Does this mean if someone was to temporarily let someone use their nation and the person using it later "hijacked" is the mods will no longer do anything about the nation even if the Mods do see it occur? I suppose that would then count as the Mods not seeing it happen-but then what does? Would it only be like login errors before?

Also does that mean any nation that changes hands is forever out of Mod's problems? Or is it for a certain period? For example, one nation exchanges hands, willingly or not, and the Mods do not see it occur, and so pass it off when it is reported by the original owner. Does that mean for the future it is no longer concerned if it is stolen by another or such by randomly and correctly guessing the password first try?

Last section. In the Mods' response to me it says if you are loaning out puppets you cannot come report to Mods if other people are accessing them. Same to assume other people mean anyone besides the own or the one the login information was supposedly given to? Also, by "them" it means puppets I am sure but never specifically says any puppets owned by that person or only the specific puppet that was shared with others. Is it safe to say, from my inference by the specific situation, that the "them" means any puppet owned by the person regardless of whther it was ever shared with anyone else but the lriginal owner and also regardless of whether the password is the same or not of puppets that have been shared by the owner?
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Sedgistan
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Postby Sedgistan » Mon Mar 11, 2013 3:28 am

Ask via GHR; it's irrelevant to this thread.

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The Most Glorious Hack
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Postby The Most Glorious Hack » Mon Mar 11, 2013 5:25 am

United Gordonopia wrote:mods, why not just put in big, bold, maybe colorful letters at the top of this OP 'NO, we will not make a special exception for your name'.

Because nobody would read it there, either.
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Parhe
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Postby Parhe » Mon Mar 11, 2013 6:00 am

Sedgistan wrote:Ask via GHR; it's irrelevant to this thread.

I sent a smaller through the same account about a week to ten days ago raising some of the questions.
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Frisbeeteria
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Postby Frisbeeteria » Tue Mar 12, 2013 11:05 pm

[violet] wrote:Under the proposed rules, a name would be available for re-use unless the former owner:
  1. is active
  2. ceased to exist less than 5 years ago
  3. accumulated a population of 250 million or more
  4. founded an existing region
  5. is mentioned in the History of an existing region
  6. authored or was the subject of a WA resolution (incl. Historical ones)
  7. authored an Issue
  8. was a moderator or admin
  9. was deleted by a mod
  10. is marked as reserved by a Game Mod

Announcement: The size cap in Item #3 is increasing.
The increase will be gradual over a period of weeks, but should eventually stabilize at 500 million. Please be reasonable and take only nation names you intend to play. We really don't want to release a bunch of names only to get them locked away for another 5+ years. Thanks.

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Shaybanid
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Founded: Mar 13, 2013
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Nation name release!

Postby Shaybanid » Wed Mar 13, 2013 1:37 am

Hello. I was just wondering how it was possible that this nation, Shaybanid, had stopped existing, the one before this one, with only a population of five million without getting soiled or such.


-Parhe

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Parhe
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Postby Parhe » Wed Mar 13, 2013 2:00 am

Frisbeeteria wrote:
[violet] wrote:Under the proposed rules, a name would be available for re-use unless the former owner:
  1. is active
  2. ceased to exist less than 5 years ago
  3. accumulated a population of 250 million or more
  4. founded an existing region
  5. is mentioned in the History of an existing region
  6. authored or was the subject of a WA resolution (incl. Historical ones)
  7. authored an Issue
  8. was a moderator or admin
  9. was deleted by a mod
  10. is marked as reserved by a Game Mod

Announcement: The size cap in Item #3 is increasing.
The increase will be gradual over a period of weeks, but should eventually stabilize at 500 million. Please be reasonable and take only nation names you intend to play. We really don't want to release a bunch of names only to get them locked away for another 5+ years. Thanks.

And I just saw that
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Ballotonia
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Postby Ballotonia » Wed Mar 13, 2013 11:47 am

Shaybanid wrote:Hello. I was just wondering how it was possible that this nation, Shaybanid, had stopped existing, the one before this one, with only a population of five million without getting soiled or such.


-Parhe


Probably a victim of a data sync bug: being outside any region causes a nation to not update and thus not gain population. Any affected nation can solve this simply by moving to a new region, so we don't know how many nations end up suffering from this bug. So once in a while we sweep the system for nations affected as such, and abandoned ones (idle too long) are then removed in the very next update.

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Jamie Anumia
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Postby Jamie Anumia » Wed Mar 13, 2013 11:51 am

Out of interest, any idea what causes this glitch?:
Deleted nation Commander Shepard
Founded: Wed May 19 2010
Last activity: Wed May 19 2010
Population: 113 million

Is it a distinct problem or a data sync issue related to the above?
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Ballotonia
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Postby Ballotonia » Wed Mar 13, 2013 11:59 am

Jamie Anumia wrote:Out of interest, any idea what causes this glitch?:
Deleted nation Commander Shepard
Founded: Wed May 19 2010
Last activity: Wed May 19 2010
Population: 113 million

Is it a distinct problem or a data sync issue related to the above?


Someone created a nation, never logged into it again after creating it, and the nation thus died after 28 days of inactivity... I don't see a glitch there.

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Jamie Anumia
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Postby Jamie Anumia » Wed Mar 13, 2013 12:01 pm

Ballotonia wrote:
Jamie Anumia wrote:Out of interest, any idea what causes this glitch?:
Deleted nation Commander Shepard
Founded: Wed May 19 2010
Last activity: Wed May 19 2010
Population: 113 million

Is it a distinct problem or a data sync issue related to the above?


Someone created a nation, never logged into it again after creating it, and the nation thus died after 28 days of inactivity... I don't see a glitch there.

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Oh. My mistake. Sorry about that.

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Finjaldn
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Postby Finjaldn » Thu Mar 14, 2013 10:36 am

I have a question. There is this nation which when I check it says: 'Retired: This name has been retired.' What exactly does that mean? I mean, it doesn't exactly break any of the new nation rules to make it as far as the stats tell.
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Jamie Anumia
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Postby Jamie Anumia » Thu Mar 14, 2013 10:42 am

Finjaldn wrote:I have a question. There is this nation which when I check it says: 'Retired: This name has been retired.' What exactly does that mean? I mean, it doesn't exactly break any of the new nation rules to make it as far as the stats tell.

Fris's post explains it.

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Postby Finjaldn » Thu Mar 14, 2013 10:45 am

Jamie Anumia wrote:
Finjaldn wrote:I have a question. There is this nation which when I check it says: 'Retired: This name has been retired.' What exactly does that mean? I mean, it doesn't exactly break any of the new nation rules to make it as far as the stats tell.

Fris's post explains it.


Ah, okay, thanks.
Pronounced 'Feen-YAl-doon'.
Wikkiwallana wrote:Education programs about classes? Oh dear.

"Right, you lot, pay attention! 'Dis here is a "poor person", they ain't got no designer clothes, no sushi, and no smart-fone-thingies. … Alright, alright, quiet down, I know it sounds hard to believe, but it's da truth. 'Dey didn't choose to live like this, 'dey wuz born 'dis way.

Now, what we have 'ere is a "upper class posh", also known as a barmy git wif' more money 'dan sense. Note the silver spoon, and vest that costs more 'dan youse will make in a month. It all balances out, tho', cuz' the fing' is, he can't tie his own shoes wif'out a map."

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Postby Perrier » Sun Mar 17, 2013 10:17 pm

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Parhe
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Postby Parhe » Mon Mar 18, 2013 7:42 am

People do not seem to be announcing as much their gains.
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Frisbeeteria
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Postby Frisbeeteria » Mon Mar 18, 2013 11:20 am

Parhe wrote:People do not seem to be announcing as much their gains.

That's because you're puppet-banking almost all the newly released names. It sure would be nice if you left a few for other players rather than permanently taking them off the market.

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Firmador
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Ex-Nation

Postby Firmador » Mon Mar 18, 2013 7:12 pm

I can't access old accounts?

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Postby Flibbleites » Tue Mar 19, 2013 5:52 am

Parhe wrote:People do not seem to be announcing as much their gains.

Doesn't bother me any, I've found it to be borderline spam anyway.

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