Germany: Catholic hospitals refused rape victim help

[The Emerald Dawn]

Because the state, the community, and the private sector, are going to let a market sit empty like that. Sure. It's good to know you have a keen grasp of socio-political reality.

Yes they will because there is no market for hospitals. For profits generally only exist so drug companies have populations to conduct studies on, the profit is not from the hospitals they are from the drugs they test on the patients. As for the public sector ( government and non profit) this is not a good time to be asking for money, tax revenue down, donations down, resources are not as readily available to build new hospitals as they would be in better times.

That said even if these were better times, you as a person only have a finite amount of energy ever bit of energy you use trying to close down hospitals you dislike is energy not used trying to open hospitals you approve of.

What's that saying? If at first you don't succeed, stop because you're a fucking failure? It's something like that.

Oh, right. Maybe some of us feel that our energy is well spent in forcing these little things out into the public so that everyone knows exactly what kind of corrupt bullshit comes from the Holy See.

[The Emerald Dawn]

The same planet that the government would not put healthcare in place to ensure still having people to govern after removing Catholic hospitals.

What?

The G&D is stating that removing the catholic hospitals would create a health vacuum. Ergo, no hospitals would be created to fill the void by removing them?

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

What?

The G&D is stating that removing the catholic hospitals would create a health vacuum. Ergo, no hospitals would be created to fill the void by removing them?

I repeat, what?

[The Emerald Dawn]

The G&D is stating that removing the catholic hospitals would create a health vacuum. Ergo, no hospitals would be created to fill the void by removing them?

I repeat, what?

Der Mensch als "Greed and Death" bekannt erklärt, dass, wenn Sie die katholischen Krankenhäuser zu entfernen, keine andere Krankenhäuser gebracht würden und Menschen sterben würden.

Did that help?

[Individuality-ness]

HIV isn't life threatening? What planet are you living on?!

Imminent

I do not know how else to get the point across, perhaps if I typed it really slowly.

So just because it won't immediately kill her, it's okay to not solve the problem and just pass her on like she's a report?

At least if you're not given bacon because the provider is Jewish and wishes to stay kosher, you're still getting substance, solving the problem of hunger (if only for a day). Not treating a rape victim is basically telling her "I'm not going to solve your problem now shoo!". And the fact that they didn't direct her to a place that could offer her the help she needs is basically a huge "fuck you,I'm also not giving you any means to solve your problem either!".

[The Emerald Dawn]

Imminent

I do not know how else to get the point across, perhaps if I typed it really slowly.

So just because it won't immediately kill her, it's okay to not solve the problem and just pass her on like she's a report?

At least if you're not given bacon because the provider is Jewish and wishes to stay kosher, you're still getting substance, solving the problem of hunger (if only for a day). Not treating a rape victim is basically telling her "I'm not going to solve your problem now shoo!". And the fact that they didn't direct her to a place that could offer her the help she needs is basically a huge "fuck you,I'm also not giving you any means to solve your problem either!".

For full points, twist your mustache.

[Greed and Death]

Yes I know you would like to shut down the hospitals.

The thing is that does not help the poor people get medical services. All your solution would have done is she would have found an empty building.
My solution( those mad about the situation provide said services) however results in the provision of medical services currently lacking in the community.

A constructive vs a destructive solution I pick the constructive solution every time.

I'd prefer them put into practice the idea of doing all they can for the community they are serving over letting their own religious hang ups interfere instead of closing.

And if the need in the area is sufficiently great it seems unlikely the government would fail to fill the vacuum. If you've got other hospitals in the area you aren't going to open another just because the existing ones lack the ethical maturity to provide all the services the public need. If there were no others they'd almost certainly put in a public one.

If you are turning away rape victims in a disadvantaged area you most certainly aren't doing that.

Strangely I live across the street from an abandoned hospital. The local community demanded they provide certain services or close, the church closed the hospital.

Hempstead lacks the money to open a hospital, it is a ghetto and not surprisingly property tax revenues are sparse.
The next larger government Nassau County has been on the verge of bankruptcy or bankruptcy for the last decade.
The state of New York is also broke.
The federal government has funds, but they don't run hospitals because the Republicans scream socialist.

There was talk when the local university hofstra opened its medical school of reopening the hospital so the medical students could get hands on experience. However the parents who can afford to send their kids to Hofstra screamed bloody murder, and hofstra Medical school partnered with a hospital an hour away so the medical students can get hands on experience with patients of the same income level ( and skin tone).

So yes, having seen a hospital sit vacant for 3 the years that I have lived here, I am very concerned closing down hospitals will result in several communities getting less needed service.

[The Emerald Dawn]

I'd prefer them put into practice the idea of doing all they can for the community they are serving over letting their own religious hang ups interfere instead of closing.

And if the need in the area is sufficiently great it seems unlikely the government would fail to fill the vacuum. If you've got other hospitals in the area you aren't going to open another just because the existing ones lack the ethical maturity to provide all the services the public need. If there were no others they'd almost certainly put in a public one.

If you are turning away rape victims in a disadvantaged area you most certainly aren't doing that.

Strangely I live across the street from an abandoned hospital. The local community demanded they provide certain services or close, the church closed the hospital.

Hempstead lacks the money to open a hospital, it is a ghetto and not surprisingly property tax revenues are sparse.
The next larger government Nassau County has been on the verge of bankruptcy or bankruptcy for the last decade.
The state of New York is also broke.
The federal government has funds, but they don't run hospitals because the Republicans scream socialist.

There was talk when the local university hofstra opened its medical school of reopening the hospital so the medical students could get hands on experience. However the parents who can afford to send their kids to Hofstra screamed bloody murder, and hofstra Medical school partnered with a hospital an hour away so the medical students can get hands on experience with patients of the same income level ( and skin tone).

So yes, having seen a hospital sit vacant for 3 the years that I have lived here, I am very concerned closing down hospitals will result in several communities getting less needed service.

It is not better to allow the wound to stagnate. It is by far better to excise the wound, and save the body. If you close the hospitals, the pressure on the Republicunts (Not republicans, because there are good republicans who aren't total fuckwits) will mount and then they'll cave and give in to public medicine.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

I repeat, what?

Der Mensch als "Greed and Death" bekannt erklärt, dass, wenn Sie die katholischen Krankenhäuser zu entfernen, keine andere Krankenhäuser gebracht würden und Menschen sterben würden.

Did that help?

Danke.

[The Emerald Dawn]

Der Mensch als "Greed and Death" bekannt erklärt, dass, wenn Sie die katholischen Krankenhäuser zu entfernen, keine andere Krankenhäuser gebracht würden und Menschen sterben würden.

Did that help?

Danke.

Bitte.

[Greed and Death]

Imminent

I do not know how else to get the point across, perhaps if I typed it really slowly.

So just because it won't immediately kill her, it's okay to not solve the problem and just pass her on like she's a report?

At least if you're not given bacon because the provider is Jewish and wishes to stay kosher, you're still getting substance, solving the problem of hunger (if only for a day). Not treating a rape victim is basically telling her "I'm not going to solve your problem now shoo!". And the fact that they didn't direct her to a place that could offer her the help she needs is basically a huge "fuck you,I'm also not giving you any means to solve your problem either!".

Do research, the treatment is not needed imminently.
http://www.shukumisa.org.za/index.php/p ... fter-rape/

She has 72 hours (3) days to find a hospital that will administer anti-retroviral medication.

So again not imminent.

You do not get to refer to science when saying these procedures may save her life, but ignore science when she has 3 days to get the treatment.

[Individuality-ness]

So just because it won't immediately kill her, it's okay to not solve the problem and just pass her on like she's a report?

At least if you're not given bacon because the provider is Jewish and wishes to stay kosher, you're still getting substance, solving the problem of hunger (if only for a day). Not treating a rape victim is basically telling her "I'm not going to solve your problem now shoo!". And the fact that they didn't direct her to a place that could offer her the help she needs is basically a huge "fuck you, I'm also not giving you any means to solve your problem either!".

Do research, the treatment is not needed imminently.
http://www.shukumisa.org.za/index.php/p ... fter-rape/

She has 72 hours (3) days to find a hospital that will administer anti-retroviral medication.

So again not imminent.

You do not get to refer to science when saying these procedures may save her life, but ignore science when she has 3 days to get the treatment.

The basic point flew way over your head.

[Greed and Death]

Strangely I live across the street from an abandoned hospital. The local community demanded they provide certain services or close, the church closed the hospital.

Hempstead lacks the money to open a hospital, it is a ghetto and not surprisingly property tax revenues are sparse.
The next larger government Nassau County has been on the verge of bankruptcy or bankruptcy for the last decade.
The state of New York is also broke.
The federal government has funds, but they don't run hospitals because the Republicans scream socialist.

There was talk when the local university hofstra opened its medical school of reopening the hospital so the medical students could get hands on experience. However the parents who can afford to send their kids to Hofstra screamed bloody murder, and hofstra Medical school partnered with a hospital an hour away so the medical students can get hands on experience with patients of the same income level ( and skin tone).

So yes, having seen a hospital sit vacant for 3 the years that I have lived here, I am very concerned closing down hospitals will result in several communities getting less needed service.

It is not better to allow the wound to stagnate. It is by far better to excise the wound, and save the body. If you close the hospitals, the pressure on the Republicunts (Not republicans, because there are good republicans who aren't total fuckwits) will mount and then they'll cave and give in to public medicine.

A blue congressional district in a blue state puts the pressure of a well placed fart on the Republicans.
I have yet to see these good Republicans and I don't think they exist, they are either Religious, in which case they want to replace the catholic hospital with a public one that does the exact same thing the catholic one did in regards to this, or they are Free market types who believe removing social services from those too poor to afford them will magically make the poor able to afford building a new hospital. In either case I do not think a community should rely on Republicans being good or sane to bring in a hospital.

[The Black Forrest]

I'd prefer them put into practice the idea of doing all they can for the community they are serving over letting their own religious hang ups interfere instead of closing.

And if the need in the area is sufficiently great it seems unlikely the government would fail to fill the vacuum. If you've got other hospitals in the area you aren't going to open another just because the existing ones lack the ethical maturity to provide all the services the public need. If there were no others they'd almost certainly put in a public one.

If you are turning away rape victims in a disadvantaged area you most certainly aren't doing that.

Strangely I live across the street from an abandoned hospital. The local community demanded they provide certain services or close, the church closed the hospital.

Hempstead lacks the money to open a hospital, it is a ghetto and not surprisingly property tax revenues are sparse.
The next larger government Nassau County has been on the verge of bankruptcy or bankruptcy for the last decade.
The state of New York is also broke.
The federal government has funds, but they don't run hospitals because the Republicans scream socialist.

There was talk when the local university hofstra opened its medical school of reopening the hospital so the medical students could get hands on experience. However the parents who can afford to send their kids to Hofstra screamed bloody murder, and hofstra Medical school partnered with a hospital an hour away so the medical students can get hands on experience with patients of the same income level ( and skin tone).

So yes, having seen a hospital sit vacant for 3 the years that I have lived here, I am very concerned closing down hospitals will result in several communities getting less needed service.

Ok. I guess it's their right to close it. Just as it would be the right of the community to tell the church to GTFO....

Who would think legitimate rape would be such a problem for the Church.

[Ostroeuropa]

Boycott the hospitals and churches.
If you are a catholic and give these people money, I consider you partially responsible for all the stupid shit these organizations get up to. I don't see why I have to continue to treat you like a respectable human after you admit in public you fund genocidal misogynistic homophobic theocrats who continually worsen the AIDS epidemic and willfully spread misinformation.
If someone says "But what if you are sick?" the answer is simple. Refuse to be treated by theocrats and sue the state for failing to provide adequate medical coverage of your area, point to shit like this as a prime example of why these people are not qualified

[Laerod]

Are said hospitals obligated to offer abortifacients (morning after pill) if said patient requests it? If yes, the hospitals acted rightly. If no, several people better get fired.

No, no, no.

No, they're not obligated to offer it. No, it is not an abortifacient. No, the hospital did not act correctly, as the morning after pill was not the reason she was turned away and the hospitals themselves have admitted to wrongdoing.

[Kleomentia]

Catholics gonna Catholic.

True story.

[Ceannairceach]

Moral Catholics should protest. Just like that Martin fellow.

[Blouman Empire]

Boycott the hospitals and churches.
If you are a catholic and give these people money, I consider you partially responsible for all the stupid shit these organizations get up to. I don't see why I have to continue to treat you like a respectable human after you admit in public you fund genocidal misogynistic homophobic theocrats who continually worsen the AIDS epidemic and willfully spread misinformation.
If someone says "But what if you are sick?" the answer is simple. Refuse to be treated by theocrats and sue the state for failing to provide adequate medical coverage of your area, point to shit like this as a prime example of why these people are not qualified

So the answer is to die, got ya.

[Blouman Empire]

I don't need to in Australia, I pay taxes which helps maintain our public hospitals which are readily available to everyone, and Catholics mainly limit themselves to high priced private care or in public hospitals do their actual jobs.

lolwut?

[Blouman Empire]

HIV isn't life threatening? What planet are you living on?!

Imminent

I do not know how else to get the point across, perhaps if I typed it really slowly.

Perhaps defining the word would help them, though if they don't know what a word means they should be looking it up.

[Blouman Empire]

Oh, right. Maybe some of us feel that our energy is well spent in forcing these little things out into the public so that everyone knows exactly what kind of corrupt bullshit comes from the Holy See.

And just on this are these hospitals run by the church or catholic institutions?

[Transhuman Proteus]

I don't need to in Australia, I pay taxes which helps maintain our public hospitals which are readily available to everyone, and Catholics mainly limit themselves to high priced private care or in public hospitals do their actual jobs.

lolwut?

I'm familiar with a couple of Catholic private hospitals (since one side of the family has a lot of old Catholics in it). Mainly St John of God Hospital and St Vincent's Private Hospital. Mater Misericordiae Hospital is private as well if I remember rightly, but I have no idea on what it is like, price wise. Can't think of many public hospitals that are definably Catholic in nature, least not in NSW or Vic. In fact I can only think of one in NSW.

One of them, Dudley in Orange NSW, I don't think goes under a Catholic banner anymore. I got to see it fairly young since a relative ended up their for protracted period of care back in the mid-90s, and they seemed to be in the first stages of moving away from the Catholicism angle. The care was good but it was a costly affair, far more costly than it would have been if they'd gone to a public hospital. If they weren't long dead I could probably ask the relative how the costs compared to non-religious private hospitals since the last ten years of their life seemed to be constant admittances and they changed hospitals a bit in hopes of better results.

So yes, in terms of the hospital game Catholics aren't overly involved in public hospitals, but have more than a few private ones. In NSW and Vic at least. Maybe they have dozens of public hospitals in the NT or WA.

[Khodoristan]

I'd prefer them put into practice the idea of doing all they can for the community they are serving over letting their own religious hang ups interfere instead of closing.

And if the need in the area is sufficiently great it seems unlikely the government would fail to fill the vacuum. If you've got other hospitals in the area you aren't going to open another just because the existing ones lack the ethical maturity to provide all the services the public need. If there were no others they'd almost certainly put in a public one.

If you are turning away rape victims in a disadvantaged area you most certainly aren't doing that.

Strangely I live across the street from an abandoned hospital. The local community demanded they provide certain services or close, the church closed the hospital.

Hempstead lacks the money to open a hospital, it is a ghetto and not surprisingly property tax revenues are sparse.
The next larger government Nassau County has been on the verge of bankruptcy or bankruptcy for the last decade.
The state of New York is also broke.
The federal government has funds, but they don't run hospitals because the Republicans scream socialist.

There was talk when the local university hofstra opened its medical school of reopening the hospital so the medical students could get hands on experience. However the parents who can afford to send their kids to Hofstra screamed bloody murder, and hofstra Medical school partnered with a hospital an hour away so the medical students can get hands on experience with patients of the same income level ( and skin tone).

So yes, having seen a hospital sit vacant for 3 the years that I have lived here, I am very concerned closing down hospitals will result in several communities getting less needed service.

Winthrop? Or Mercy? I worked at mercy for 4 years, it was *snicker* immaculate.

[Greed and Death]

Strangely I live across the street from an abandoned hospital. The local community demanded they provide certain services or close, the church closed the hospital.

Hempstead lacks the money to open a hospital, it is a ghetto and not surprisingly property tax revenues are sparse.
The next larger government Nassau County has been on the verge of bankruptcy or bankruptcy for the last decade.
The state of New York is also broke.
The federal government has funds, but they don't run hospitals because the Republicans scream socialist.

There was talk when the local university hofstra opened its medical school of reopening the hospital so the medical students could get hands on experience. However the parents who can afford to send their kids to Hofstra screamed bloody murder, and hofstra Medical school partnered with a hospital an hour away so the medical students can get hands on experience with patients of the same income level ( and skin tone).

So yes, having seen a hospital sit vacant for 3 the years that I have lived here, I am very concerned closing down hospitals will result in several communities getting less needed service.

Winthrop? Or Mercy? I worked at mercy for 4 years, it was *snicker* immaculate.

Winthrop is in Mineola and not Hempstead, Mercy is in Rockville Centre. Though this town and village distinction they have up here is confusing, there are three overlapping local governments, no wonder they are all bankrupt.

I actually think the hospital was Hempstead something, its been empty since I have been here. Do to MTA cuts hospitals in Queens hospitals are more easily reachable for members of my community. The buses and trains only tend to run East West and not North South. But that is not Wintrope and Mercy's fault I suppose so it is for another thread.