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Estainia
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Postby Estainia » Mon Sep 10, 2012 5:43 pm

No, we don't believe in the prospect of Seppuku, and we're not Romans.

Willingly dying by one's own hand is perhaps the most dishonorable thing in our chivalric subculture.
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Territorial Griffons
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Postby Territorial Griffons » Mon Sep 10, 2012 5:47 pm

"We consider suicide to be a waste of a perfectly good warrior. Us Griffons would only consider it in dire circumstances - like, say, the amputation of a wing - that cause us to be unable to fight."

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Postby Giovenith » Mon Sep 10, 2012 5:52 pm

Goodness no. Justice must be served by the law, and such a custom would be seen as allowing criminals to take the easy, cowardly way out. Not to mention that there is the possibility of innocent people merely becoming scared or worried and offing themselves out of that, which is far too tragic a risk to take.
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Postby Southern Babylonia » Mon Sep 10, 2012 5:55 pm

Seen as any Southern Babylonian citizen has the right to commit suicide, a criminal, convicted of any crime, can surely do it as well. It's highly unlikely, however, for someone to be in good enough mental condition to know how to commit suicide when even a Southern Babylonian court has condemned them to death. It's essentially a last resort against psychopathic murderers, and much more merciful for them too.
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Postby The Grand World Order » Mon Sep 10, 2012 5:57 pm

No, we don't have a system like that, but some officials have killed themselves when accused of corruption so as to protect their legacy. It's usually seen as an admission of guilt and a sort of careerist move.

As for regular citizens, it's almost unheard of for people to kill themselves without trying to take out whoever drove them to suicide- this unfortunately promotes spree killing and "going postal." This mentality carries over back to the officials- woe betide any journalist who drives an official to suicide, because that official will show up at their house in person and brutalize them to death before committing suicide in a grandiose way. The same thing tends to happen with Court/Magistrate Officers, but they're usually well-armed and can fight off an angry Administrator.
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Postby TurtleShroom » Mon Sep 10, 2012 6:04 pm

Luziyca wrote:
Viridi wrote:We do not have a system like that. If a crime is committed, then the accused will be put in trial, and if found guilty, will receive his/her punishment.

There is no way of cheating the system, ie suicide.

This, like any civilized nation that promotes freedom and democracy.

^ This. We'd have it no other way.

Now, AFTER they've received their fair trial by an impartial jury, become convicted, and then take their lives... that's just saving us money.

(That said, the official policy for TurtleShroom as codified by law is: Even the vilest of humans have souls. -and no matter their crime, they can indeed repent and be saved of their sins, no matter how bad, if they truly mean what they say. The state, therefore, must protect non-Death Row inmates from committing suicide. Prison punishment exists to destroy the will of the creature, no matter their species, so that their pride may be removed and they can see the error of their ways. Through repitive, inflexible schedules, hard manual labor, and no freedom or dignity outside of food, water, emergency medicines, and- because we are a merciful nation -indoor plumbing, we remove the arrogance, wickedness, and ignorance that causes crime in the first place and leave the broken shell of a creature open to rehabilitation by church visitations.)
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Postby Swith Witherward » Mon Sep 10, 2012 6:07 pm

Sidhae wrote:In some nations, a "voluntary" suicide is seen as preferable to trial and disgrace for crimes against the state.

In the Imperium, someone accused in a high-profile case is customarily granted 24 hours to commit suicide rather than face public trial and subsequent disgraceful removal from office and punishment. In this case, one is expected to write a letter to the Empress requesting a permission to "retire" (which is customarily always granted) and commit suicide by a method of his choice. Historically, Socrates and Erwin Rommel are examples of such suicide.

Does your nation practice a similar custom?

It's an interesting notion. We do not have forced suicide. Some criminals do take their own lives prior to trial but that is usually a rare occurrence.
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Postby Nachfolgia » Mon Sep 10, 2012 6:10 pm

in the Nachfolgian Wehrmacht, if a high-ranking General or Officer suffers a horrible and disgracing defeat due to his incompetence, he will commit suicide to avoid capture and preserve his honor.

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Postby Lambrinisia » Mon Sep 10, 2012 6:22 pm

In Lambrinisia we make every attempt to prevent suicide before justice is meted such as removal of dangerous objects etc.. We even have laws which will have all property and assets of the family seized should suicide be committed before trial. Now as heartless as some criminals may be, they don't want to leave their partner and children homeless and their elderly, broke mothers working the streets to pay for the leccy bill. Through immense social pressure, suicide before trial is generally prevented. Once inside prison, they're free to do what they like.
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Exogenous Imperium
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Postby Exogenous Imperium » Mon Sep 10, 2012 6:26 pm

Suicide is looked down on in Exogenus Imperium and stigmatized against. Forced suicide is a contradiction as genuine suicide must always be voluntary otherwise it is not suicide.

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The Tri Islands
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Postby The Tri Islands » Mon Sep 10, 2012 6:26 pm

We don't believe in assisted or supported suicide unless the person is a patient with a terminal illness. Other than that, if you're going to be convicted of a crime, you have no choice than to face the proper punishment and no, that doesn't mean given the choice to eternally escape the situation.

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Postby Legital » Mon Sep 10, 2012 6:34 pm

Absolutely not. The convicted shall face a trail before a jury. They will receive their punishment from the court; there is no cowards way out for them.
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Postby Vallermoore » Mon Sep 10, 2012 6:37 pm

If someone is paralysed from the neck down and cannot be healed, they are given the option of suicide-if they don't within 10 days their benifits are withdrawn to try and push them towards it, but they are not litraly forced.

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The Children of Mama
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Postby The Children of Mama » Mon Sep 10, 2012 8:59 pm

Mama says we mustn't ever, ever hurt ourselves.

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Ulvena
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Postby Ulvena » Mon Sep 10, 2012 9:37 pm

In the Eclipse Empire, if a close friend or someone the Emperor respected is sentenced to life in prison, death, or Xi'san Labor Camp for treason, then the Emperor can personally give him a choice. Commit suicide and all crimes will be forgiven and pardoned by the Emperor. Only their actions that they have done before the treason will count in the eyes of the government. Their family will also receive full support for one full generation.

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Krintzaika
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Postby Krintzaika » Mon Sep 10, 2012 9:39 pm

We support Forced Suicide on Muslims, Jews, and Christians, since we are an EXTREMELY Atheist nation. Forced Suicide is permitted for those that have a belief other than Atheism.
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Postby Misantopia » Mon Sep 10, 2012 9:43 pm

Well, some of our prisoners "commit suicide" while in police custody.
Does that count?
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Postby Victorious Decepticons » Mon Sep 10, 2012 11:01 pm

We have no such practice. The only way for a traitor or dissident to preserve even a shred of honor is to fight to the death against the troops sent to execute him. That way, it can at least be said he died fighting for his beliefs. Of course, losing is also shameful - but not as shameful as allowing oneself to be killed (or killing oneself) without even making an attempt to win, no matter how futile that attempt is.

The only time suicide is ever seen as honorable is if capture by a foreign enemy is imminent and the person has no way to fight them to the death - for instance, if he has been physically incapacitated. Then he is expected to delete all of his own files rather than submit to the control of inferior beings who (of course) only were able to take him down by some fluke. Self-deletion also prevents the enemy from getting a look at our mind files and possibly being able to write a virus based off of that information, so this act is also considered patriotic in such instances.

Even then, it is dishonorable to die in battle. It's just not as dishonorable as being captured and dismantled by some puny humans or another weak beta species.
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Postby The Batorys » Mon Sep 10, 2012 11:04 pm

In the Empire, especially among the military, suicide is occasionally seen, if the serviceman/woman would be deeply disgraced by the ensuing inquiries/trials, and especially if execution for treason/desertion was likely. The fact that the family of the soldier would receive a pension in the case of her/his suicide, but not in the case of her/his execution for treason/desertion, probably contributes somewhat.

This is also the case among public officials who find themselves soon to be tried for corruption charges (considered a form of treason, though not necessarily always carrying the death penalty). Often, suicide while still with a technically clean record seems preferable to the disgrace and revilement that would come with a conviction, let alone the sentence itself.

A rare method, but considered one of the more honorable ones, of taking one's own life in such circumstances, is to volunteer as a sacrifice (though if execution were the sentence, it would end up being this anyway).
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Postby -the Ukrainian SSR- » Mon Sep 10, 2012 11:20 pm

During the days of the UkSSR it was standard procedure for officers in the Red Army to eat their pistol in the event of imminent military defeat.

Suffice to say at the end of the Estainian-Ukrainian War we had very few competent officers left...

Beyond that, we have no notion of honor. It was about denying strategic information.
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Postby The Erisarian Imperium » Tue Sep 11, 2012 12:21 am

Nope, most crimes are solved by the firing line. After all 95% of our territory is Irradiated and under Military lockdown. If it is a soldier about to loose, chances are the artillery will just wipe out his remaining line WITH the enemy, Total war is like that.
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Postby Gijinkia » Tue Sep 11, 2012 6:31 am

Why yes, people who are sentenced to the death penalty are forced to commit suicide by allowing themselves to be strapped to a table and letting somebody give them a lethal injection.

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Postby Maraque » Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:00 am

Forced anything is patently illegal in Tsvarchi.

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Postby Charlotte Ryberg » Tue Sep 11, 2012 11:38 am

Forced suicide is treated as murder in Minoa.

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Postby Radictistan » Tue Sep 11, 2012 12:37 pm

It's been rumored to happen within the security services. I won't comment OOC whether the rumors are true. It's more fun that way.

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