Dems Vote God+Jerusalem as Israeli Capital back in Platform?

[North Calaveras]

WTF is international law?

Laws as defined by UN treaties and other various documents signed by the leaders of nations?

WTF is the UN and can it/does it enforce these laws equally?

(i hope you see what im getting at)

[Wamitoria]

Laws as defined by UN treaties and other various documents signed by the leaders of nations?

WTF is the UN and can it/does it enforce these laws equally?

(i hope you see what im getting at)

So, you're moving the goalposts? If it wasn't for the US blocking sanctions on Israel, they would be in the same situation as Iran is right now.

That's how it works. You piss everyone off and aren't butt-buddies with one of people on the Security Council, you're fucked.

[North Calaveras]

WTF is the UN and can it/does it enforce these laws equally?

(i hope you see what im getting at)

So, you're moving the goalposts? If it wasn't for the US blocking sanctions on Israel, they would be in the same situation as Iran is right now.

That's how it works. You piss everyone off and aren't butt-buddies with one of people on the Security Council, you're fucked.

there were no goal posts to begin with

I just want people to realize they can't go defending people by going " ermagerd it's an illegal occupation!"

War is not illegal just because a peice of paper might say so and a few people vote on it dosn't make it reality. If the US wants to have a war it's going to have it's war, nations laugh at UN regulations.

[Genivaria]

I swear I cussed up a storm when I heard about this yesterday.

[Wamitoria]

I swear I cussed up a storm when I heard about this yesterday.

Indeed. It's not like either mattered. I just learned today that the language in the platform had already been cleared with AIPAC prior to the vote to add language to it.

Either way, it's not a huge deal.

[Yewhohohopia]

No harsh feelings on the Jerusalem and Israel issue. To say that Tel Aviv would be the capital would be idiocy.

Err... why? That being the capital of Israel...

[Person012345]

They illegally occupied it, yes. I'm not sure what your point is.

Hahahaha

They won it after Jordan initiated a conflict. Israel was attacked by Jordan and they won back both sides of Jerusalem. That is not illegally occupying.

Uh, they're illegally occupying it. Go check, seriously. As quite rightly pointed out, it was never the Jordinian's either.

[Shofercia]

An occupation that violates international law?

WTF is international law?

Thing that's protecting Assange from being accidentally flattened by the British Military

Also the whole UN thingy. Yeah, it could be improved, and no, it's not universally enforced, but overall, it's somewhat effective.

[Gauthier]

WTF is international law?

Republican Foreign Policy philosophy in a nutshell.

[North Calaveras]

WTF is international law?

Thing that's protecting Assange from being accidentally flattened by the British Military

Also the whole UN thingy. Yeah, it could be improved, and no, it's not universally enforced, but overall, it's somewhat effective.

the somewhat effectiveness comes out of the security council pulling the strings

effective for who? the security council...

war is human nature, people need to get over this " war is illegal oh my goodness boo hoo" crap.

[Arumdaum]

No harsh feelings on the Jerusalem and Israel issue. To say that Tel Aviv would be the capital would be idiocy. To not recognize Israel, even with the crimes it has committed, would be foolish.

But leave G-d out of it.

Which is why every country in the world, save Israel, recognizes Tel Aviv as Israel's capital.

[Shofercia]

Thing that's protecting Assange from being accidentally flattened by the British Military

Also the whole UN thingy. Yeah, it could be improved, and no, it's not universally enforced, but overall, it's somewhat effective.

the somewhat effectiveness comes out of the security council pulling the strings

effective for who? the security council...

war is human nature, people need to get over this " war is illegal oh my goodness boo hoo" crap.

I agree that people need to stop with the "boohoo, war is illegal" attitude, because when people lack the basic necessities, or when someone wants land or resources, or when someone wants to bomb others into the liberation manifest destiny - there will be war.

But International Law also does a lot of good stuff, like UNESCO, or aid to Africa, or standing up for workers' rights, or...

[North Calaveras]

the somewhat effectiveness comes out of the security council pulling the strings

effective for who? the security council...

war is human nature, people need to get over this " war is illegal oh my goodness boo hoo" crap.

I agree that people need to stop with the "boohoo, war is illegal" attitude, because when people lack the basic necessities, or when someone wants land or resources, or when someone wants to bomb others into the liberation manifest destiny - there will be war.

But International Law also does a lot of good stuff, like UNESCO, or aid to Africa, or standing up for workers' rights, or...

well aid to africa has become a part of a lot of critiscism

but yes im fine with aiding people here and there(when we ourselfs have taken care of our own citizens first)

but the whole "war is illegal" is a joke.

[Capitolinium]

WTF is international law?

Republican Foreign Policy philosophy in a nutshell.

Good. The last thing I want is Zimbabwe or Venezuela having a say in how we run any of our affairs.

[Wamitoria]

Republican Foreign Policy philosophy in a nutshell.

Good. The last thing I want is Zimbabwe or Venezuela having a say in how we run any of our affairs.

Yes, they have a say. Not our allies on the Security Council.

[Shofercia]

I agree that people need to stop with the "boohoo, war is illegal" attitude, because when people lack the basic necessities, or when someone wants land or resources, or when someone wants to bomb others into the liberation manifest destiny - there will be war.

But International Law also does a lot of good stuff, like UNESCO, or aid to Africa, or standing up for workers' rights, or...

well aid to africa has become a part of a lot of critiscism

but yes im fine with aiding people here and there(when we ourselfs have taken care of our own citizens first)

but the whole "war is illegal" is a joke.

Wars can be illegal. And if someone loses an illegal war, the victor can usually impose harsher terms on the loser, than if the war is not illegal.

[North Calaveras]

well aid to africa has become a part of a lot of critiscism

but yes im fine with aiding people here and there(when we ourselfs have taken care of our own citizens first)

but the whole "war is illegal" is a joke.

Wars can be illegal. And if someone loses an illegal war, the victor can usually impose harsher terms on the loser, than if the war is not illegal.

That dosn't make it illegal, those are terms of surrender or consequences of losing the war lol

[Ceannairceach]

Wars can be illegal. And if someone loses an illegal war, the victor can usually impose harsher terms on the loser, than if the war is not illegal.

That dosn't make it illegal, those are terms of surrender or consequences of losing the war lol

You realize that people breaking the rules and laws of war doesn't mean they don't exist, right?

[North Calaveras]

That dosn't make it illegal, those are terms of surrender or consequences of losing the war lol

You realize that people breaking the rules and laws of war doesn't mean they don't exist, right?

Very well, i will apease you

they exist but are by no means enforce equally or for that matter obeyed by the majority of the world

they might as well be toilet paper

[Nordengrund]

They should remove references to God. It's a secular country.

I have no opinion on the Israeli issue.

We have freedom of speech, so we should be able to mention God if we so choose.

[Ceannairceach]

You realize that people breaking the rules and laws of war doesn't mean they don't exist, right?

Very well, i will apease you

they exist but are by no means enforce equally or for that matter obeyed by the majority of the world

they might as well be toilet paper

Agreed. They are, indeed, only enforced at the will of the major powers in the Security Council. They do exist, though, and theoretically could be enforced.

[Ceannairceach]

They should remove references to God. It's a secular country.

I have no opinion on the Israeli issue.

We have freedom of speech, so we should be able to mention God if we so choose.

You can, indeed. The government as an entity and all entities in service of it cannot, as that is not secular, as this country is meant to be.

[Nordengrund]

We have freedom of speech, so we should be able to mention God if we so choose.

You can, indeed. The government as an entity and all entities in service of it cannot, as that is not secular, as this country is meant to be.

What, the government does not have free speech? The politicians are people too!

[North Calaveras]

Very well, i will apease you

they exist but are by no means enforce equally or for that matter obeyed by the majority of the world

they might as well be toilet paper

Agreed. They are, indeed, only enforced at the will of the major powers in the Security Council. They do exist, though, and theoretically could be enforced.

Well as we both know theoretically dosn't quite cut it

[Farnhamia]

You can, indeed. The government as an entity and all entities in service of it cannot, as that is not secular, as this country is meant to be.

What, the government does not have free speech? The politicians are people too!

No, in this case, the government does not have "free speech." It's the same amendment that guarantees that some clown won't pass a law saying that Southern Baptists have to sit in the back of the bus and have to wear yellow armbands in public.