Discussing about geocentrism is a good idea now? Because that's what the Gold Standard is to economists. Geocentrism.
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by Norstal » Sat Aug 25, 2012 11:25 am
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by The Mongol Ilkhanate » Sat Aug 25, 2012 11:26 am
Norstal wrote:The Mongol Ilkhanate wrote:
Agreeing to discuss an idea is good. Agreeing to GO with an idea is bad. Why do you think I supported debate about things like Obamacare? Discussing bad ideas is OK.
Discussing about geocentrism is a good idea now? Because that's what the Gold Standard is to economists. Geocentrism.

by Shofercia » Sat Aug 25, 2012 12:33 pm
In Florida (29 EV's), a new poll by Quinnipiac University dated August 21st shows Obama leading by 3%. Averaging this with the two other recent polls from the Sunshine State results in a dead heat between the two candidates. Florida swings back from "Barely Republican" to "Exactly Tied".
In Ohio (18 EV's), two new polls (one by the University of Cincinatti dated August 21st and one by Quinnipiac University on the same date show Obama up by 3% and 6% respectively. Averaging these two polls with the other two from the same time period gives us a net edge of 2% for the President. The Buckeye State remains "Barely Democratic".

by Wamitoria » Sat Aug 25, 2012 1:02 pm

by Ashmoria » Sat Aug 25, 2012 1:14 pm
Cannot think of a name wrote:Fox News was rolling at the cigar shop for a bit (fortunately it was the day of the moderates, so the channel was changed after a bit) and they have "You...you didn't build that" running on a constant loop. I know there's a whole day themed for that at the convention, so it seems that's what they're placing their money on. I think they're hoping that if they just keep saying that over and over again it will work in the same way the whole tax return thing has.

by Shofercia » Sat Aug 25, 2012 1:59 pm


by Wikkiwallana » Sat Aug 25, 2012 2:20 pm
Shofercia wrote:
You're predicting Ohio for Obama, but not Colorado? I'm curious - why?
Actually, I'm more curious about why you're predicting Ohio for Obama, cause I predicted Ohio for Romney
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Halt!
Just because these people are stupid, wrong and highly dangerous does not mean you have the right to make them feel sad.
Avenio wrote:Just so you know, the use of the term 'sheep' 'sheeple' or any other herd animal-based terminology in conjunction with an exhortation to 'think outside the box' or stop going along with groupthink generally indicates that the speaker is actually more closed-minded on the subject than the people that he/she is addressing. At least, in my experience at least.

by Alien Space Bats » Sat Aug 25, 2012 2:51 pm


by Alien Space Bats » Sat Aug 25, 2012 3:00 pm
Wikkiwallana wrote:ASB, how do you think these:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/story/2 ... ndard.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/2 ... 28840.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/2 ... 28256.html
will affect the race?

by ALMF » Sun Aug 26, 2012 2:41 am

by Alien Space Bats » Sun Aug 26, 2012 2:49 am


by Wikkiwallana » Sun Aug 26, 2012 3:15 pm
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Halt!
Just because these people are stupid, wrong and highly dangerous does not mean you have the right to make them feel sad.
Avenio wrote:Just so you know, the use of the term 'sheep' 'sheeple' or any other herd animal-based terminology in conjunction with an exhortation to 'think outside the box' or stop going along with groupthink generally indicates that the speaker is actually more closed-minded on the subject than the people that he/she is addressing. At least, in my experience at least.

by Alien Space Bats » Sun Aug 26, 2012 3:59 pm
Wikkiwallana wrote:This, on the other hand:
http://veracitystew.com/2012/08/21/idaho-republican-wonders-if-women-even-know-what-rape-is/
Having been brought to light in the wake of the Todd Akin scandal, do you see this making it any bigger?

by Zaras » Sun Aug 26, 2012 4:15 pm
Alien Space Bats wrote:or they're going to lose the last possible chances this campaign might offer them for a possible victory.
Bythyrona wrote:Zaras wrote:Democratic People's Republic of Glorious Misty Mountain Hop.
The bat in the middle commemmorates their crushing victory in the bloody Battle of Evermore, where the Communists were saved at the last minute by General "Black Dog" Bonham of the Rock 'n Roll Brigade detonating a levee armed with only four sticks and flooding the enemy encampment. He later retired with honours and went to live in California for the rest of his life before ascending to heaven.
Best post I've seen on NS since I've been here. :clap:
by Cannot think of a name » Sun Aug 26, 2012 4:15 pm
Alien Space Bats wrote:Wikkiwallana wrote:This, on the other hand:
http://veracitystew.com/2012/08/21/idaho-republican-wonders-if-women-even-know-what-rape-is/
Having been brought to light in the wake of the Todd Akin scandal, do you see this making it any bigger?
No, it's old news.
The real question is how the GOP will look after next week's Convention.
They need to fire up the base. The problem comes if in doing that, they accidentally kick a hornet's nest: If this Convention turns into a repeat of 1992s "Culture Wars" debacle, because then it might actually end up motivating Democrats as much as it motivates Republicans.
Worse, if "Team Romney" tries to "fix" things by distancing themselves from incendiary remarks by the right, they could end up alienating conservatives, creating a "worst of all possible worlds" outcome: Energized Democrats and angry, disaffected Republicans. That suggests that the right thing to do would be to play down or even laugh at any outrage Democrats voice in response to nasty and defamatory attacks and/or dubious remarks by Republican speakers.
But can "Team Romney" do that? One of Mitt Romney's problems is that he never seems to want to leave any vote on the table; this, indeed, is one of the reasons why he's got a reputation as a flip-flopper: He always wants to be on everybody's side of every issue. In the course of this campaign, Romney has gotten a little better at not lurching side to side in an effort to appeal to every voter; yet the campaign still hasn't recognized that sometimes it just needs to shut up and not try to shill so hard for votes.
Thus, if Republican speakers at this Convention create controversy and Democrats scream about it, the Romney campaign may feel obliged to distance themselves from the source of the controversy. That would be a huge mistake - yet I can see "Team Romney" making it anyway.
In a way, this will be a test of the Romney campaign's wisdom and discipline. To date, they've been deficient in both categories. But with the Convention, they officially enter the fall campaign, and from here on out they need to have their game heads on, or they're going to lose the last possible chances this campaign might offer them for a possible victory.

by Serrland » Sun Aug 26, 2012 4:19 pm
Alien Space Bats wrote:Wikkiwallana wrote:This, on the other hand:
http://veracitystew.com/2012/08/21/idaho-republican-wonders-if-women-even-know-what-rape-is/
Having been brought to light in the wake of the Todd Akin scandal, do you see this making it any bigger?.No, it's old news.
The real question is how the GOP will look after next week's Convention.
They need to fire up the base. The problem comes if in doing that, they accidentally kick a hornet's nest: If this Convention turns into a repeat of 1992s "Culture Wars" debacle, because then it might actually end up motivating Democrats as much as it motivates Republicans.
Worse, if "Team Romney" tries to "fix" things by distancing themselves from incendiary remarks by the right, they could end up alienating conservatives, creating a "worst of all possible worlds" outcome: Energized Democrats and angry, disaffected Republicans. That suggests that the right thing to do would be to play down or even laugh at any outrage Democrats voice in response to nasty and defamatory attacks and/or dubious remarks by Republican speakers.
But can "Team Romney" do that? One of Mitt Romney's problems is that he never seems to want to leave any vote on the table; this, indeed, is one of the reasons why he's got a reputation as a flip-flopper: He always wants to be on everybody's side of every issue. In the course of this campaign, Romney has gotten a little better at not lurching side to side in an effort to appeal to every voter; yet the campaign still hasn't recognized that sometimes it just needs to shut up and not try to shill so hard for votes.
Thus, if Republican speakers at this Convention create controversy and Democrats scream about it, the Romney campaign may feel obliged to distance themselves from the source of the controversy. That would be a huge mistake - yet I can see "Team Romney" making it anyway.
In a way, this will be a test of the Romney campaign's wisdom and discipline. To date, they've been deficient in both categories. But with the Convention, they officially enter the fall campaign, and from here on out they need to have their game heads on, or they're going to lose the last possible chances this campaign might offer them for a possible victory

by Farnhamia » Sun Aug 26, 2012 4:23 pm
Serrland wrote:Alien Space Bats wrote:.No, it's old news.
The real question is how the GOP will look after next week's Convention.
They need to fire up the base. The problem comes if in doing that, they accidentally kick a hornet's nest: If this Convention turns into a repeat of 1992s "Culture Wars" debacle, because then it might actually end up motivating Democrats as much as it motivates Republicans.
Worse, if "Team Romney" tries to "fix" things by distancing themselves from incendiary remarks by the right, they could end up alienating conservatives, creating a "worst of all possible worlds" outcome: Energized Democrats and angry, disaffected Republicans. That suggests that the right thing to do would be to play down or even laugh at any outrage Democrats voice in response to nasty and defamatory attacks and/or dubious remarks by Republican speakers.
But can "Team Romney" do that? One of Mitt Romney's problems is that he never seems to want to leave any vote on the table; this, indeed, is one of the reasons why he's got a reputation as a flip-flopper: He always wants to be on everybody's side of every issue. In the course of this campaign, Romney has gotten a little better at not lurching side to side in an effort to appeal to every voter; yet the campaign still hasn't recognized that sometimes it just needs to shut up and not try to shill so hard for votes.
Thus, if Republican speakers at this Convention create controversy and Democrats scream about it, the Romney campaign may feel obliged to distance themselves from the source of the controversy. That would be a huge mistake - yet I can see "Team Romney" making it anyway.
In a way, this will be a test of the Romney campaign's wisdom and discipline. To date, they've been deficient in both categories. But with the Convention, they officially enter the fall campaign, and from here on out they need to have their game heads on, or they're going to lose the last possible chances this campaign might offer them for a possible victory
Can't help but think that this convention will be more about Reince Priebus and his goals than the Romney campaign.

by Zaras » Sun Aug 26, 2012 4:25 pm
Bythyrona wrote:Zaras wrote:Democratic People's Republic of Glorious Misty Mountain Hop.
The bat in the middle commemmorates their crushing victory in the bloody Battle of Evermore, where the Communists were saved at the last minute by General "Black Dog" Bonham of the Rock 'n Roll Brigade detonating a levee armed with only four sticks and flooding the enemy encampment. He later retired with honours and went to live in California for the rest of his life before ascending to heaven.
Best post I've seen on NS since I've been here. :clap:

by Nordengrund » Sun Aug 26, 2012 4:26 pm
Alien Space Bats wrote:Electoral-vote.com Map (as of August 26th, 2012)
(Image)
Obama 297, Romney 212 (29 Undecided)
Two new polls were added today:A 9% lead for Obama in Pennsylvania is bad news for Republicans. As I explained in earlier polls, the best the GOP can hope for from Pennsylvania's new Voter ID law is a 6-8% boost, and in all likelihood it will probably be more along the lines of 4-6%. If Obama has a solid 9% lead in the Keystone State, then his team can probably still squeak out a win there, especially if they can manage a really good turnout.
- In Pennsylvania (20 EV's), a new poll by Global Strategy dated August 23rd shows Obama up by 9%; this exactly matches the Muehlenberg College poll from August 22nd. The Keystone State remains "Likely Democratic".
- In Missouri (10 EV's), a new Mason Dixon poll dated August 23rd shows Romney leading by 7%; averaging this with the other two polls from the same time frame gives Romney a net 5% lead. The "Show Me" State slides from "Barely Republican" to "Likely Republican".
As for Missouri, we're still going to want to keep an eye out for softness in the GOP position there, but I wouldn't hold my breath. Right now "Team Obama" isn't planning on committing major resources to the "Show Me" State, which is something of a sign that they don't think they have great chances there - and don;t think they really need the State to close the deal anyway.

by Alien Space Bats » Sun Aug 26, 2012 4:43 pm
Nordengrund wrote:According to the chart, I think Democrats are winning by one state. If Florida goes Republican, we might be tied in terms of the number of states siding with who.

by Neutraligon » Sun Aug 26, 2012 4:55 pm
Alien Space Bats wrote:Nordengrund wrote:According to the chart, I think Democrats are winning by one state. If Florida goes Republican, we might be tied in terms of the number of states siding with who.
That's absolutely true.
Of course, it points up a fundamental fact: Currently, 4 of the 6 largest States (i.e., California, Illinois, New York, and Texas) are not competitive - and three of those (i.e., all but Texas) essentially "belong" to the Democrats. That leaves only 2 of the 6 largest States (i.e., Florida and Pennsylvania) up for grabs.
Which is why so many people are looking at the growing alignment of Latino voters with the Democratic Party and seeing disaster for the GOP. Why? Because the Latino vote has the potential to take Texas away from the GOP within the next ten years as well.
Consider a world in which California, Illinois, New York, and Texas are Democratic locks, and both Pennsylvania and Florida lean Democratic. That means the Democrats start with 142 EV's locked up with another 49 EV's leaning their way; the other 44 States get 347 EV's. On paper, that would mean that the GOP would need to win 30-35 of the remaining 44 States to grab the Presidency, vs. 10-15 States for the Democrats to do so. That's almost an impossible position for the GOP to be in, and it goes a long way towards explaining former RNC Chairman Michael Steele's remarks on MSNBC's Up w/Chris Hayes this morning, in which he essentially said that if the GOP didn't change, it would "Go the way of the Whigs".

by Wikkiwallana » Sun Aug 26, 2012 5:16 pm
Alien Space Bats wrote:The problem comes if in doing that, they accidentally kick a hornet's nest: If this Convention turns into a repeat of 1992s "Culture Wars" debacle, because then it might actually end up motivating Democrats as much as it motivates Republicans.
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Halt!
Just because these people are stupid, wrong and highly dangerous does not mean you have the right to make them feel sad.
Avenio wrote:Just so you know, the use of the term 'sheep' 'sheeple' or any other herd animal-based terminology in conjunction with an exhortation to 'think outside the box' or stop going along with groupthink generally indicates that the speaker is actually more closed-minded on the subject than the people that he/she is addressing. At least, in my experience at least.

by Wikkiwallana » Sun Aug 26, 2012 5:19 pm
Nordengrund wrote:Alien Space Bats wrote:Electoral-vote.com Map (as of August 26th, 2012)
(Image)
Obama 297, Romney 212 (29 Undecided)
Two new polls were added today:A 9% lead for Obama in Pennsylvania is bad news for Republicans. As I explained in earlier polls, the best the GOP can hope for from Pennsylvania's new Voter ID law is a 6-8% boost, and in all likelihood it will probably be more along the lines of 4-6%. If Obama has a solid 9% lead in the Keystone State, then his team can probably still squeak out a win there, especially if they can manage a really good turnout.
- In Pennsylvania (20 EV's), a new poll by Global Strategy dated August 23rd shows Obama up by 9%; this exactly matches the Muehlenberg College poll from August 22nd. The Keystone State remains "Likely Democratic".
- In Missouri (10 EV's), a new Mason Dixon poll dated August 23rd shows Romney leading by 7%; averaging this with the other two polls from the same time frame gives Romney a net 5% lead. The "Show Me" State slides from "Barely Republican" to "Likely Republican".
As for Missouri, we're still going to want to keep an eye out for softness in the GOP position there, but I wouldn't hold my breath. Right now "Team Obama" isn't planning on committing major resources to the "Show Me" State, which is something of a sign that they don't think they have great chances there - and don;t think they really need the State to close the deal anyway.
According to the chart, I think Democrats are winning by one state. If Florida goes Republican, we might be tied in terms of the number of states siding with who.
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Halt!
Just because these people are stupid, wrong and highly dangerous does not mean you have the right to make them feel sad.
Avenio wrote:Just so you know, the use of the term 'sheep' 'sheeple' or any other herd animal-based terminology in conjunction with an exhortation to 'think outside the box' or stop going along with groupthink generally indicates that the speaker is actually more closed-minded on the subject than the people that he/she is addressing. At least, in my experience at least.
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