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Durlia
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Durlia » Wed Aug 22, 2012 10:48 pm

"We call for a Constitutional amendment requiring a super-majority for any tax increase with exceptions for only war and national emergencies, and imposing a cap limiting spending to historical average percentage of GDP so that future Congresses cannot balance the budget by raising taxes."

This may be the single worst idea anyone has ever come up with when it comes to government budgets.

1st Republican Presidency: Slash tax rates
1st Democratic Presidency: Can do nothing
2nd Republican Presidency: Slash tax rates again
2nd Democratic Presidency: Still can do nothing
Repeat ad infinitum

You can't have a supermajority requirement to raise taxes unless you also have a supermajority requirement to lower taxes as well, or else within 20 years the poverty rate at least doubles as the social safety net is torn to shreds.

Of course, if that's your goal...

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Postby Bombadil » Wed Aug 22, 2012 10:49 pm

The problem is that 25% of the US will roughly vote Democrats, 25% will roughly vote Republican, 25% don't particularly care to vote at all and 25% are batshit insane. This isn't particularly different in any country other than the US has particular wedge issues around abortion, religion and guns, which tends to attract the 25% of batshit insane people to politics.

Generally, for any party, given a loss they'll tend to veer towards their core. The success of the Teavangelicals in party elections means the Rebuplicans are, basically, very afraid of their power and are thus acquiescing to their demands.

The truth they fail to realise is that those party elections are an indication of the balance in Republican voters, not voters in general. In pandering to that balance one veers away from the general voters. In the end, the Republicans could put a pig up as a candidate and they'll still vote against Obama so there's really no need to pander to them to this level where, basically, it means you've lost the election.

Happens all the time.
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Postby Socialdemokraterne » Wed Aug 22, 2012 10:53 pm

Bombadil wrote:The problem is that 25% of the US will roughly vote Democrats, 25% will roughly vote Republican, 25% don't particularly care to vote at all and 25% are batshit insane. This isn't particularly different in any country other than the US has particular wedge issues around abortion, religion and guns, which tends to attract the 25% of batshit insane people to politics.

Generally, for any party, given a loss they'll tend to veer towards their core. The success of the Teavangelicals in party elections means the Rebuplicans are, basically, very afraid of their power and are thus acquiescing to their demands.

The truth they fail to realise is that those party elections are an indication of the balance in Republican voters, not voters in general. In pandering to that balance one veers away from the general voters. In the end, the Republicans could put a pig up as a candidate and they'll still vote against Obama so there's really no need to pander to them to this level where, basically, it means you've lost the election.

Happens all the time.


If I understand correctly, your post can be summarized as follows:

"Hey. GOP. Yeah, you. The median voter theorem thing we were talking about before? Yeah, that's still in effect. Might want to plan your platform accordingly."
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Postby Jinwoy » Wed Aug 22, 2012 10:56 pm

If the republicans win...

Here I come, one-way trip to Mars.
Or we could just revolution. Either way.
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Postby Bombadil » Wed Aug 22, 2012 11:01 pm

Socialdemokraterne wrote:
Bombadil wrote:The problem is that 25% of the US will roughly vote Democrats, 25% will roughly vote Republican, 25% don't particularly care to vote at all and 25% are batshit insane. This isn't particularly different in any country other than the US has particular wedge issues around abortion, religion and guns, which tends to attract the 25% of batshit insane people to politics.

Generally, for any party, given a loss they'll tend to veer towards their core. The success of the Teavangelicals in party elections means the Rebuplicans are, basically, very afraid of their power and are thus acquiescing to their demands.

The truth they fail to realise is that those party elections are an indication of the balance in Republican voters, not voters in general. In pandering to that balance one veers away from the general voters. In the end, the Republicans could put a pig up as a candidate and they'll still vote against Obama so there's really no need to pander to them to this level where, basically, it means you've lost the election.

Happens all the time.


If I understand correctly, your post can be summarized as follows:

"Hey. GOP. Yeah, you. The median voter theorem thing we were talking about before? Yeah, that's still in effect. Might want to plan your platform accordingly."


Somewhat though I imagine I'll only get to "Hey. GOP. Yeah.." before they open fire.
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Postby Raeyh » Wed Aug 22, 2012 11:01 pm

Jinwoy wrote:If the republicans win...

Here I come, one-way trip to Mars.
Or we could just revolution. Either way.


Well, that's assuming they pick you out of the hundred or so.

Anyway, is it really that bad?

It can't be any worse than Bush Jr, right?

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Postby Mavorpen » Wed Aug 22, 2012 11:05 pm

Raeyh wrote:
Well, that's assuming they pick you out of the hundred or so.

Anyway, is it really that bad?

It can't be any worse than Bush Jr, right?


The only appropriate response.
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Postby Raeyh » Wed Aug 22, 2012 11:11 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Raeyh wrote:
Well, that's assuming they pick you out of the hundred or so.

Anyway, is it really that bad?

It can't be any worse than Bush Jr, right?


The only appropriate response.


His platform included the PATRIOT act.
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Postby Jinwoy » Wed Aug 22, 2012 11:16 pm

Raeyh wrote:
Jinwoy wrote:If the republicans win...

Here I come, one-way trip to Mars.
Or we could just revolution. Either way.


Well, that's assuming they pick you out of the hundred or so.

Anyway, is it really that bad?

It can't be any worse than Bush Jr, right?


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Hewhonameshouldneverbespoken was elected out of fear, Romney will be elected because of his campaign promises that subliminally tell the public "We want to fuck with this country's economy for a little bit longer... and we'll blame it on the other guys".
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Postby Wikkiwallana » Wed Aug 22, 2012 11:20 pm

Jewcrew wrote:Yup, because once in power, that's exactly what's going to happen! :roll:

So you are saying you expect them to break their promises?
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Postby Wikkiwallana » Wed Aug 22, 2012 11:24 pm

Neutraligon wrote:NO NEW TAXES, EXCEPT FOR WAR. The platform calls for a Constitutional amendment requiring a super-majority to approve any tax increase, “with exceptions for only war and national emergencies.” It would also deliberately hobble future Congresses through a cap limiting all government spending to historical average percentage of GDP — “so that future Congresses cannot balance the budget by raising taxes.”
:blink:

WTF is up with that...

They think "revenue" is a dirty word, obviously.
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I'm a pro-lifer who runs a nation of dragon-men...
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Postby F451 » Wed Aug 22, 2012 11:29 pm

Kohlastan wrote:
Wilsonbiggs wrote:If Romney is elected, I'm moving to Canada.


If my representative Michele Bachmann gets re -elected I moving to Canada


Screw Canada, I'd move to Norway. Maybe even Australia.
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Postby Greater Amerigo » Wed Aug 22, 2012 11:29 pm

Wikkiwallana wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:NO NEW TAXES, EXCEPT FOR WAR. The platform calls for a Constitutional amendment requiring a super-majority to approve any tax increase, “with exceptions for only war and national emergencies.” It would also deliberately hobble future Congresses through a cap limiting all government spending to historical average percentage of GDP — “so that future Congresses cannot balance the budget by raising taxes.”
:blink:

WTF is up with that...

They think "revenue" is a dirty word, obviously.


The exception is when the "revenue" is padding their pockets.

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Postby Condunum » Wed Aug 22, 2012 11:31 pm

Quebec and Atlantic Canada wrote:GOP Approves Most Conservative Plan In History

Seriously, just read the damn thing. It's beyond batshit insane.

The GOP must be trying to beat Mondale in 1984 and the UK's Labour in 1983 for worst election defeat ever. They seriously can't think they can win on this, especially approving a "NO ABORTIONZ EVAR" policy less than a week after Akin's "legitimate rape" shit, can they?

If they don't get crushed in a landslide after this, America, you suck forever and I will no longer complain whenever idiots spell your name with three K's...


Thoughts?

I think it's expected of them.


AND THAT MEANS SOMETHING TO ME, DAMMIT!

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Postby Nua Corda » Wed Aug 22, 2012 11:46 pm

F451 wrote:
Kohlastan wrote:If my representative Michele Bachmann gets re -elected I moving to Canada


Screw Canada, I'd move to Norway. Maybe even Australia.


Sweden. Scandinavian Liberal Paradise, bitch. Or maybe Denmark, where the drinking age is 16...
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Postby Wikkiwallana » Wed Aug 22, 2012 11:52 pm

Paulmania wrote:It is indeed a suicide note, primarily for the GOP. This will only precipitate the phoenix-like rise of Ron Paul and the libertarians in US politics. If you're a woman or non-white, where will you go?

As far away from Paul as possible.
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I'm a pro-lifer who runs a nation of dragon-men...
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Postby Wikkiwallana » Wed Aug 22, 2012 11:54 pm

North California wrote:
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And all for States' Rights, which means they can fuck people and he wouldn't give a shit.


No, because States still have to abide by the Constitution.

Not in Paul land.
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Nulono wrote:Snip
I'm a pro-lifer who runs a nation of dragon-men...
And even I think that's stupid.
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Postby Condunum » Wed Aug 22, 2012 11:59 pm

Nua Corda wrote:
F451 wrote:
Screw Canada, I'd move to Norway. Maybe even Australia.


Sweden. Scandinavian Liberal Paradise, bitch. Or maybe Denmark, where the drinking age is 16...

If you want that, your best bet would be with Norway.
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Postby Wikkiwallana » Thu Aug 23, 2012 12:01 am

Paulmania wrote:
Gauthier wrote:
And all for States' Rights, which means they can fuck people and he wouldn't give a shit.


And against the drug war, and for against gay marriage, and against the death penalty, and against a big military, and against BS wars being fought directly, and for an economic crash, and against international relations, and for theocracy, and against equal rights...

Fixed that for you.
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I'm a pro-lifer who runs a nation of dragon-men...
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Postby Wikkiwallana » Thu Aug 23, 2012 12:09 am

Norstal wrote:
Quebec and Atlantic Canada wrote:If they don't get crushed in a landslide after this, America, you suck forever and I will no longer complain whenever idiots spell your name with three K's, AND THAT MEANS SOMETHING TO ME, DAMMIT!

Thoughts?

That article seems extremely biased. As much as I am a liberal, I'm sure that people aren't this retarded.

Would you trust CNN?
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I'm a pro-lifer who runs a nation of dragon-men...
And even I think that's stupid.
Avenio wrote:Just so you know, the use of the term 'sheep' 'sheeple' or any other herd animal-based terminology in conjunction with an exhortation to 'think outside the box' or stop going along with groupthink generally indicates that the speaker is actually more closed-minded on the subject than the people that he/she is addressing. At least, in my experience at least.

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Postby Wikkiwallana » Thu Aug 23, 2012 12:15 am

Jinwoy wrote:If the republicans win...

Here I come, one-way trip to Mars.
Or we could just revolution. Either way.

No revolutions, we aren't sinking to the level of the crazies.
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Nulono wrote:Snip
I'm a pro-lifer who runs a nation of dragon-men...
And even I think that's stupid.
Avenio wrote:Just so you know, the use of the term 'sheep' 'sheeple' or any other herd animal-based terminology in conjunction with an exhortation to 'think outside the box' or stop going along with groupthink generally indicates that the speaker is actually more closed-minded on the subject than the people that he/she is addressing. At least, in my experience at least.

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Postby Socialdemokraterne » Thu Aug 23, 2012 1:48 am

Nua Corda wrote:
F451 wrote:
Screw Canada, I'd move to Norway. Maybe even Australia.


Sweden. Scandinavian Liberal Paradise, bitch. Or maybe Denmark, where the drinking age is 16...


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Postby Ovisterra » Thu Aug 23, 2012 2:39 am

Okay, this has gone too fucking far. If this shit passes, I'm invading. The United Socialist Republic of Ovisterra, in all its micronational reality, is going to launch a full scale invasion of the US. We may only have one soldier. He may only be armed with some Nerf Guns and a rather harmless set of fencing equipment, but not invading would strongly imply that we think this sort of bullshit is acceptable. It's not.

I'm sick and tired of this.
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Postby Britannic Realms » Thu Aug 23, 2012 3:41 am

NO ABORTION IN CASES OF RAPE OR INCEST. The proposal for a “human life amendment” passed without a hitch — and without any exceptions for rape or incest. The committee didn’t stop there; they also adopted language that would ban drugs that end pregnancy after conception, which could potentially include Plan B, the “morning after pill.”


Good Lord, this is insane.

SALUTE TO MANDATORY ULTRASOUNDS. The GOP officially praises states’ “informed consent” laws that force women to undergo unnecessary procedures, require waiting periods and endure other measures meant to discourage them from getting an abortion. One such law receiving a “salute” was crafted by committee head McDonnell, who passed a notorious mandatory ultrasound requirement after he signed an unsuccessful bill to require an even more invasive transvaginal probe ultrasound during an abortion consultation.


What?

NO LEGAL RECOGNITION OF SAME-SEX COUPLES. The committee embraced extreme anti-gay language, even rejecting a proposal to endorse civil unions for gay couples after vehement objections from Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council and Romney adviser Jim Bopp, who called it a “counterfeit marriage.” The rejection of civil unions, along with the refusal to include a line affirming the legal equality of same-sex couples prompted the organization GOProud to declare, “Those who have engaged in this public platform fight have provided distraction from important issues and damaged Mitt Romney’s campaign.”


Finally, something sensible from the Americans.

REPLICATE ARIZONA-STYLE IMMIGRATION LAWS. Kris Kobach, who wrote the now mostly invalidated immigration laws in Arizona and Alabama, pushed for language calling for a border fence, a national E-Verify system to make it harder for undocumented workers to find employment, the end of in-state tuition for illegal immigrants and an end to sanctuary cities. The committee overwhelmingly approved the proposals, as well as a line chastising the Department of Justice to halt the lawsuits against draconian immigration laws in Arizona, Alabama, South Carolina and Utah: “State efforts to reduce illegal immigration must be encouraged, not attacked.”


Another perfectly sound policy.

AUDIT THE FED. The pet project of Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX) to audit the Federal Reserve has now been embraced as an official Republican goal. For the first time, the platform calls for an annual audit of the Federal Reserve.


Useless. Isn't the Federal Reserve like the Bank of England?

NO WOMEN IN COMBAT. The platform condemns “social experimentation” in the military, which covers everything from the repeal of “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” to allowing officers to wear their uniforms in gay pride events to letting women serve on the front lines.


They should definitely ban soldiers from wearing their uniforms and homosexual pride events.

NO STATEHOOD, MORE GUNS FOR WASHINGTON DC. FRC’s Perkins, who recently blamed President Obama and the Southern Poverty Law Center for the shooting at FRC’s Washington headquarters, requested and received a section specifically urging the DC Council to expand gun rights. The same section also opposes DC statehood, which would allow the District to govern itself and put an end to Congressional attempts to impose abortion bans on DC.


Uh. We really shouldn't have devolution for Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are OK.

NO NEW TAXES, EXCEPT FOR WAR. The platform calls for a Constitutional amendment requiring a super-majority to approve any tax increase, “with exceptions for only war and national emergencies.” It would also deliberately hobble future Congresses through a cap limiting all government spending to historical average percentage of GDP — “so that future Congresses cannot balance the budget by raising taxes.”


This is quite barmy to.
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Postby Bottle » Thu Aug 23, 2012 3:47 am

Quebec and Atlantic Canada wrote:GOP Approves Most Conservative Plan In History

Seriously, just read the damn thing. It's beyond batshit insane.

The GOP must be trying to beat Mondale in 1984 and the UK's Labour in 1983 for worst election defeat ever. They seriously can't think they can win on this, especially approving a "NO ABORTIONZ EVAR" policy less than a week after Akin's "legitimate rape" shit, can they?

If they don't get crushed in a landslide after this, America, you suck forever and I will no longer complain whenever idiots spell your name with three K's, AND THAT MEANS SOMETHING TO ME, DAMMIT!

Thoughts?

The GOP doesn't care. This is likely to be the last presidential election where the votes of the citizens matter even slightly. Keeping the base riled up and keeping everyone fighting over issues like abortion and gay rights provides the distraction they need to pursue their long game. Citizens United, the countless voter suppression efforts all over the country, and so forth...your mistake is in thinking that they give two shits about winning elections. Their goal is to dismantle elections entirely.
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