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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Aug 08, 2012 1:13 pm

Wikkiwallana wrote:
FranksFreedom wrote:
Still better than NDAA-bama

You mean the NDAA that simply reaffirms the AUMF which Paul voted for?

And is an annual bill that allocates money to pay for the entire defense establishment?
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Postby Wikkiwallana » Wed Aug 08, 2012 1:14 pm

Des-Bal wrote:
Wikkiwallana wrote:First line of the post is "One stop shop for all my "Paul is awful" needs", what more do you want?


Specifics on which each of those links goes to. You can't expect to throw that up every time someone says "Ron Paul" and have them sift through each individual post trying to figure out what specifically you were addressing.

I can't edit the post, the thread is locked, and has been for some time. They aren't links to every single mention of Paul, but to the good, detailed explanations of his policies, statements, and actions, and the explanations of why they are so atrocious.
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Aug 08, 2012 1:15 pm

Wikkiwallana wrote:
Des-Bal wrote:
Specifics on which each of those links goes to. You can't expect to throw that up every time someone says "Ron Paul" and have them sift through each individual post trying to figure out what specifically you were addressing.

I can't edit the post, the thread is locked, and has been for some time. They aren't links to every single mention of Paul, but to the good, detailed explanations of his policies, statements, and actions, and the explanations of why they are so atrocious.

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I'm a pro-lifer who runs a nation of dragon-men...
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Aug 08, 2012 1:21 pm

Wikkiwallana wrote:Later; I only have 15 minutes before I start getting ready for my weekly D&D session.

Edit: typo

:lol: Only you ... :hug:
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Postby Telesha » Wed Aug 08, 2012 1:23 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Wikkiwallana wrote:I can't edit the post, the thread is locked, and has been for some time. They aren't links to every single mention of Paul, but to the good, detailed explanations of his policies, statements, and actions, and the explanations of why they are so atrocious.

Telesha took care of it ...


*bows*

At your service.

Wikkiwallana wrote:Later; I only have 15 minutes before I start getting ready for my weekly D&D session.

Edit: typo


Psh, lucky. Can't even say for sure how long it's been since I've had a weekly game session.

Most of the titles are direct from whatever source was being posted, so they SHOULD be pretty accurate.

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Father Knows Best State

Postby Gravlen » Wed Aug 08, 2012 1:47 pm

Seperates wrote:Heh... so they're becoming more like democrats?

Hey, that's kinda what I almost intended to say!
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Compulsory Consumerist State

Postby Greed and Death » Wed Aug 08, 2012 2:13 pm

Brewdomia wrote:
Kohlastan wrote:what about FDR's fireside chats which helped calm Ameria's paniced bank runs, has a done something like that? not really . . . FDR is clearly the better president because of his Fireside Chats,which probly only compare to Carters apperances durring the oil crisis, and his New Deal, an overhal that only can be compared to TR's Square Deal.


Carter was a bad President. He really wasn't a liberal and didn't attempt any grand liberal legislation like Clinton or Obama, and combined with a string of bad luck, had a bumbling foreign policy.


Carter did deregulate the American beer industry, allowing a resurgence of Micro brews and home brews. That presents an alternative to piss water American generally call beer.
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Postby Wikkiwallana » Wed Aug 08, 2012 6:47 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Wikkiwallana wrote:Later; I only have 15 minutes before I start getting ready for my weekly D&D session.

Edit: typo

:lol: Only you ... :hug:

Eh?
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Xenohumanity wrote:
Nulono wrote:Snip
I'm a pro-lifer who runs a nation of dragon-men...
And even I think that's stupid.
Avenio wrote:Just so you know, the use of the term 'sheep' 'sheeple' or any other herd animal-based terminology in conjunction with an exhortation to 'think outside the box' or stop going along with groupthink generally indicates that the speaker is actually more closed-minded on the subject than the people that he/she is addressing. At least, in my experience at least.

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Postby Wikkiwallana » Wed Aug 08, 2012 7:11 pm

Telesha wrote:
Des-Bal wrote:
Specifics on which each of those links goes to. You can't expect to throw that up every time someone says "Ron Paul" and have them sift through each individual post trying to figure out what specifically you were addressing.


Been meaning to sift through it all anyway:

One stop shop for all my "Paul is awful" needs:
Ron Paul is no Friend to Progressives
Racism, support of DOMA, PMCs, and against the Civil Rights Act
More racism, Paul "approved every line" of racist newsletters
even MORE racism: "95% of African American men in DC are semi-criminal or entirely criminal"
Still more racism from Paul
Paul's stances from the man himself: anti-aborton, privatize energy, end NHS
We The People Act
Paul on anti-sodomy laws: states have the power to regulate sex
Paul's 2012 Republican Primary shenanigans
Only states had power to abolish slavery
No right to privacy, and even more. 2 posts
"US should declare bankruptcy"
Paul acknowledges and defends racist remarks
Ron Paul's ranking on "Secular Score Card."
Why the gold standard is a bad idea
more on State's Rights
Why defaulting would be a very bad thing

Wikkiwallana: if you think I've mis-summarized any of these, let me know.

You didn't mischaracterize them, but you left out a few:
Epic take down by TCT.
TCT highlights how inconsistent Paul actually is.
Paul is opposed to various important Constitutional Amendments.
Paul actively opposes marriage equality.
Why defaulting is an objectively awful idea.
Highlights of Paul's bad ideas that he's tried to put into action.
More nuttery by Paul.
We the People Act, plus a more concise list of aforementioned bad ideas and nuttery.
Paul cares less about the Constitution than getting his personal morals enforced on others; We the People again; anti marriage equality again; health pseudoscience endorsement.
Paul's own words on We the People Act.

Edit: new entries:
Hypocrisy on right to privacy and actions contrary to the Constitution.
Voting for the AUMF and other hypocrisy.
Letters of Marque and why they suck.
Highlight of flip-flops and contradictions found via OnTheIssues.
Connections to racist groups.
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Just because these people are stupid, wrong and highly dangerous does not mean you have the right to make them feel sad.
Xenohumanity wrote:
Nulono wrote:Snip
I'm a pro-lifer who runs a nation of dragon-men...
And even I think that's stupid.
Avenio wrote:Just so you know, the use of the term 'sheep' 'sheeple' or any other herd animal-based terminology in conjunction with an exhortation to 'think outside the box' or stop going along with groupthink generally indicates that the speaker is actually more closed-minded on the subject than the people that he/she is addressing. At least, in my experience at least.

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Postby TaQud » Wed Aug 08, 2012 7:13 pm

Seperates wrote:
Liriena wrote:
Finally.

Meh, I would be happy only if it was because there was a more liberal area of the Republican party splitting it, and not a stupidly conservative area...

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Postby Bottle » Wed Aug 08, 2012 7:15 pm

It's so adorable how the GOP continues to put up this front of Ron Paul being such a crazy maverick...and how so many "libertarians" fall for it.

Hint: Ron Paul is just New Coke.
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Postby Caninope » Wed Aug 08, 2012 7:57 pm

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greed and death wrote:Even the regular Democrats drug things out. A few hecklers form a town hall meeting and it took the President to get them back on track.

Lyndon Johnson's ghost was probably howling, watching that spectacle of the President not being able to control his own party. Lyndon would have made a few phone calls, had a few meetings and people would have been lined up, ready to vote.

it reminds me of an anecdotes a Senator supposedly told once about LBJ's one-on-one ability to persuade people.

A major bill was coming up for vote, and LBJ wanted to speak to the Senator (while LBJ was still majority leader). When told of this, the Senator supposedly told his aides to keep LBJ away from him at all costs. Why? The Senator was going to vote against LBJ's recommendation, and he knew the minute he was alone in the room with LBJ, he would start to cave.
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Postby Wikkiwallana » Wed Aug 08, 2012 8:00 pm

Bottle wrote:It's so adorable how the GOP continues to put up this front of Ron Paul being such a crazy maverick...and how so many "libertarians" fall for it.

Hint: Ron Paul is just New Coke.

He is a crazy maverick. Just from sanity and good ideas, not from the GOP Party.
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Nulono wrote:Snip
I'm a pro-lifer who runs a nation of dragon-men...
And even I think that's stupid.
Avenio wrote:Just so you know, the use of the term 'sheep' 'sheeple' or any other herd animal-based terminology in conjunction with an exhortation to 'think outside the box' or stop going along with groupthink generally indicates that the speaker is actually more closed-minded on the subject than the people that he/she is addressing. At least, in my experience at least.

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Postby Wikkiwallana » Wed Aug 08, 2012 8:01 pm

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Yeah, it's sad he couldn't attend his own party.
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Nulono wrote:Snip
I'm a pro-lifer who runs a nation of dragon-men...
And even I think that's stupid.
Avenio wrote:Just so you know, the use of the term 'sheep' 'sheeple' or any other herd animal-based terminology in conjunction with an exhortation to 'think outside the box' or stop going along with groupthink generally indicates that the speaker is actually more closed-minded on the subject than the people that he/she is addressing. At least, in my experience at least.

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Postby Onza » Wed Aug 08, 2012 8:04 pm

It's not surprising. Remember what Paul supporters did back in the 2008 election when they hosted their own separate convention?

It's good for us progressives, but I cannot help but feeling sorry for them.
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Postby North California » Wed Aug 08, 2012 8:07 pm

Libertarians should tell the GOP to go fuck itself and finally move to the Libertarian Party.
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Postby Onza » Wed Aug 08, 2012 8:08 pm

North California wrote:Libertarians should tell the GOP to go fuck itself and finally move to the Libertarian Party.


It seems that they are only interested in the GOP's size. They refuse to move to the Libertarian party because then they wouldn't get enough attention.
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Postby North California » Wed Aug 08, 2012 8:10 pm

Onza wrote:
North California wrote:Libertarians should tell the GOP to go fuck itself and finally move to the Libertarian Party.


It seems that they are only interested in the GOP's size. They refuse to move to the Libertarian party because then they wouldn't get enough attention.


Then the other option is to have people in the Libertarian Party infiltrate the GOP and drive the neoconservatives out.
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Postby Onza » Wed Aug 08, 2012 8:12 pm

North California wrote:
Onza wrote:
It seems that they are only interested in the GOP's size. They refuse to move to the Libertarian party because then they wouldn't get enough attention.


Then the other option is to have people in the Libertarian Party infiltrate the GOP and drive the neoconservatives out.


That's a little far fetched :P

Unfortunately, I just don't see that happening.
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Postby Caninope » Wed Aug 08, 2012 8:13 pm

North California wrote:
Onza wrote:
It seems that they are only interested in the GOP's size. They refuse to move to the Libertarian party because then they wouldn't get enough attention.


Then the other option is to have people in the Libertarian Party infiltrate the GOP and drive the neoconservatives out.

No. Neoconservatives can have rather good ideas, especially in moderation, and I'd like to have them around to balance out libertarians and paleoconservatives.
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Postby Onza » Wed Aug 08, 2012 8:15 pm

Caninope wrote:
North California wrote:
Then the other option is to have people in the Libertarian Party infiltrate the GOP and drive the neoconservatives out.

No. Neoconservatives can have rather good ideas, especially in moderation, and I'd like to have them around to balance out libertarians and paleoconservatives.


I just dislike conservative idea's altogether. I don't have a problem with the "I respect your beliefs" type, but whenever they condemn you for being liberal, that's the type I dislike.
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Postby Caninope » Wed Aug 08, 2012 8:30 pm

Onza wrote:
Caninope wrote:No. Neoconservatives can have rather good ideas, especially in moderation, and I'd like to have them around to balance out libertarians and paleoconservatives.


I just dislike conservative idea's altogether. I don't have a problem with the "I respect your beliefs" type, but whenever they condemn you for being liberal, that's the type I dislike.

So, I suppose you dislike humans?

Every creed, ideology, nationality, race, gender, orientation, etc. has people like that.
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Postby Genivaria » Wed Aug 08, 2012 8:34 pm

Let them split. Then let them split again when many of the Paulbots realize that Paul ISN'T a libertarian.
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