Is safeway racist

[Conex]

safeway is not racist. black people just don't apply there. maybe black dudes are racist against safeway.

I apply their, many of my friend applied their, many black people I know that are black applied their and they never call back.

Then that means they don't meet the qualifications.

If alot of them don't get accepted, yet there are still some African-Americans that work there, then it isn't racism, it just means the ones that weren't accepted didn't meet any qualifications.

Personally, I've never even heard of "Safeway".

[Ifreann]

See, maybe they are just racist to different race in different area. I call for affirmative action.

What exactly is Affirmative Action? Does it have to do with filling racial quotas? If it is, how exactly is that fair? Surely it should be the best person for the job regardless of their race?

Note: I from England and we have laws against forcing quotas.

I wouldn't be surprised if he called for quotas, but then, I'm increasingly convinced he's trying to be what some right wing racist thinks black people are.

[Zaharawi]

Well, I have customer service experience, next?

I don't want to be a dick but if you fill out your application the same way you post, you might not be getting a call back because of that and not your skin color.

If you want to do your experiment, first of all, you need a larger sample size than your five friends.

Second, the way it's generally done is you turn in two applications with identical or nearly identical qualifications, one is turned in by a white guy, one by a black guy/minority/whatever. You have to do more than one pair, really, but that's the start. If the white guy's applications all get call backs and none of the black guy's applications get call backs (why you have to do more than one pair, for one pair it's just as much subject to chance as anything else), then you have a case for discrimination since the odds of you picking the white applications over the black ones by chance over and over again are slim.

The other way is to turn in two applications, one with slightly better credentials than the other. The black candidates turn in the better one, the white candidates turn in the other one. If again the white candidates continue to get the call over the black ones, then you might have a case for discrimination.

If you and your five friends couldn't get a job at a local Safeway, that's not enough of an indicator. I showed up for a minimum wage job at an indoor go-kart track having grown up racing cars since I was five. Me and 450 other people for four positions. I didn't get the job because there was a fuckton of people there and only four jobs. No matter how qualified I thought I was they had to pick four out of a crowd and I wasn't it. Shit happens, keep looking.

Or make a better case.

And for Pete's sake, proofread. Doesn't matter much here, I'm not grammar nazi'ing you and maybe English is your second language and I only know one so who am I to judge. Except if I'm cycling through resumes and applications, that person is in a position to judge 'cause he h


First of all, I realize you might think you know what I am talking about, but you can not until you are in my shoe. There was nothing that could convince you that they are racist. If you were just going by how many people applied, and we look at the city of over 6 thousand people, at least one individual have to get hired that is black. I care not what you think.

I am not in an examination lab writing my dissertation for English, nor am I currently applying for a position. I know how to write, when it is need. I do not need any judgmental people telling me about my Linguistic experience on a chat forum that is in the least bite professional.

[Vetalia]

First of all, I realize you might think you know what I am talking about, but you can not until you are in my shoe. There was nothing that could convince you that they are racist. If you were just going by how many people applied, and we look at the city of over 6 thousand people, at least one individual have to get hired that is black. I care not what you think. .

That's the dumbest line of reasoning I've heard in a long time. If you want to use racism as an excuse for not getting hired, go ahead, but that doesn't make it true. More of a delusion than anything.

[The Greater German Kaiserreich]

I wasn't hired and neither were any of my friends, ergo they must be racist.

That's all this is, really. No point in bothering otherwise.

[Northwest Slobovia]

I am not in an examination lab writing my dissertation for English, nor am I currently applying for a position. I know how to write, when it is need. I do not need any judgmental people telling me about my Linguistic experience on a chat forum that is in the least bite professional.

Your quoting is messed up, so I can't quite tell what you're replying to, but I will say that on NSG, people will bite you in an extremely professional manner.

[Caninope]

How are you racist against a supermarket chain?

Not sure on how it is in Canada, but here in the States companies are people now.

Corporations have long been people. That's nothing new. For instance, see here and Art (4) here. Corporations definitely have the freedom of speech in the commercial sense. The biggest difference between Europe and the US is that the US has been moving towards greater freedom of speech, for better or worse, and Europe seems to be moving away freedom of speech, for better or for worse.

[Inzijard]

First of all, I realize you might think you know what I am talking about, but you can not until you are in my shoe. There was nothing that could convince you that they are racist. If you were just going by how many people applied, and we look at the city of over 6 thousand people, at least one individual have to get hired that is black. I care not what you think.

I am not in an examination lab writing my dissertation for English, nor am I currently applying for a position. I know how to write, when it is need. I do not need any judgmental people telling me about my Linguistic experience on a chat forum that is in the least bite professional.

I understand that some people come across as hostile here, but they do have a point. Regardless of ethnicity (which isn't usually even known when poring over résumés quickly), employers tend to look for the most sophisticated applicants. If they have a lot of good applicants (such as you, perhaps, because I'm sure you easily meet their standards) then they have to eliminate the rest by other means. If writing is something they can judge, they will, if they have to. They may have no other way of weeding everyone out.

[Zaharawi]

I apply their, many of my friend applied their, many black people I know that are black applied their and they never call back.

Then that means they don't meet the qualifications.

If alot of them don't get accepted, yet there are still some African-Americans that work there, then it isn't racism, it just means the ones that weren't accepted didn't meet any qualifications.

Personally, I've never even heard of "Safeway".

Then you have no right to be in the conversation. You have no previous encounter with them. In this store that I am talking about, I could say most of their employees that I see around are white. What does that lead one to believe after 5 black people go and applied, they are racist.

[Swith Witherward]

I don't want to be a dick but if you fill out your application the same way you post, you might not be getting a call back because of that and not your skin color.

If you want to do your experiment, first of all, you need a larger sample size than your five friends.

Second, the way it's generally done is you turn in two applications with identical or nearly identical qualifications, one is turned in by a white guy, one by a black guy/minority/whatever. You have to do more than one pair, really, but that's the start. If the white guy's applications all get call backs and none of the black guy's applications get call backs (why you have to do more than one pair, for one pair it's just as much subject to chance as anything else), then you have a case for discrimination since the odds of you picking the white applications over the black ones by chance over and over again are slim.

The other way is to turn in two applications, one with slightly better credentials than the other. The black candidates turn in the better one, the white candidates turn in the other one. If again the white candidates continue to get the call over the black ones, then you might have a case for discrimination.

If you and your five friends couldn't get a job at a local Safeway, that's not enough of an indicator. I showed up for a minimum wage job at an indoor go-kart track having grown up racing cars since I was five. Me and 450 other people for four positions. I didn't get the job because there was a fuckton of people there and only four jobs. No matter how qualified I thought I was they had to pick four out of a crowd and I wasn't it. Shit happens, keep looking.

Or make a better case.

And for Pete's sake, proofread. Doesn't matter much here, I'm not grammar nazi'ing you and maybe English is your second language and I only know one so who am I to judge. Except if I'm cycling through resumes and applications, that person is in a position to judge 'cause he has to.

Pardon me, but I love you. You've outlined the perfect experiment.

[The Greater German Kaiserreich]

Then that means they don't meet the qualifications.

If alot of them don't get accepted, yet there are still some African-Americans that work there, then it isn't racism, it just means the ones that weren't accepted didn't meet any qualifications.

Personally, I've never even heard of "Safeway".

Then you have no right to be in the conversation. You have no previous encounter with them. In this store that I am talking about, I could say most of their employees that I see around are white. What does that lead one to believe after 5 black people go and applied, they are racist.

Or maybe that the people that meet the qualifications they're looking for just so happen to be white, whereas the other five that don't just so happen to be black?

Oh, wait, no. Sorry, that's a stupid, crazy, impossible thought. Clearly they must be racist, and clearly there is no other explanation.

[Inzijard]

Oh, wait, no. Sorry, that's a stupid, crazy, impossible thought. Clearly they must be racist.

... said the Greater German Kaiserreich.

On a more serious note, that's pretty much it. The other applicants are more qualified, or cheaper to employ.

[Reploid Productions]

You're just proving my point...

Stop trolling if you have nothing tangible to contribute to the discussion...Baffin.

Knock off the flaming, it takes all of two seconds to look that up on Urban Dictionary and recognize that you are attacking the poster, and not their argument. The rules call that flaming, and that gets rather badly frowned on around here.

So far your arguments have been to repeat the same thing and refuse to address any of the very valid points being raised about them. You have provided no sources aside from anecdotal evidence, which in an NSG debate counts for very, very little. If all you're going to do is continue to whine about perceived racism and not getting a job, then I or one of my colleagues will have to tell you "get a blog" and lock the thread. So if you want to debate, then actually debate.


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[Zaharawi]

First of all, I realize you might think you know what I am talking about, but you can not until you are in my shoe. There was nothing that could convince you that they are racist. If you were just going by how many people applied, and we look at the city of over 6 thousand people, at least one individual have to get hired that is black. I care not what you think.

I am not in an examination lab writing my dissertation for English, nor am I currently applying for a position. I know how to write, when it is need. I do not need any judgmental people telling me about my Linguistic experience on a chat forum that is in the least bite professional.

I understand that some people come across as hostile here, but they do have a point. Regardless of ethnicity (which isn't usually even known when poring over résumés quickly), employers tend to look for the most sophisticated applicants. If they have a lot of good applicants (such as you, perhaps, because I'm sure you easily meet their standards) then they have to eliminate the rest by other means. If writing is something they can judge, they will, if they have to. They may have no other way of weeding everyone out.

Your presumption is that everyone that comes on here and have poor grammar must have a poor resume is laughable. I generally do not type like this when I am writing a formal letter or an application, but in this situation, there is no reason what so ever to bother myself with formality. I am not here to impress you with my grammar, nor am I asking for a job. You have no argument.

[Cannot think of a name]

First of all, I realize you might think you know what I am talking about, but you can not until you are in my shoe.

'cannot' and 'shoes'. And, even in a 'chat forum' (we like to think of it as a debate forum, but that's splitting hairs), you are still tasked with expressing and conveying your ideas in a manner that would allow us to comment. If we need to be in your 'shoe', then stop wasting our time and let us talk to people who are able to convey their situation effectively.

Furthermore, I was not trying to pin down the very nature of your experience here on Earth, I was taking what you have given us about your situation and making a connection that I know matters. I don't know, maybe you think people just show up to my door and offer me jobs and I have no idea what the hiring experience is like. Well, sadly, that is not the case. I have gone long periods not able to get a call back from a Taco Bell much less anything else and alternatively been the guy on the other end of the application.

You can dismiss that if you like, but if you expected everyone to simply come here and agree with you wholesale without analysis or bringing their own experience to the discussion you are going to live a life of disappointment.

There was nothing that could convince you that they are racist.

Absolutely there is. I believe I detailed the common method for determining that very thing in my post. Did you read it? That's the method. Racist hiring practices exist, the method I gave you is often how they are exposed.

If you were just going by how many people applied, and we look at the city of over 6 thousand people, at least one individual have to get hired that is black.

Well, how many people applied? Do you have a number other than your five friends? Six thousand people is not that big for a city, what are the demographics of that city? What is the unemployment rate among those demographics? There are a lot of factors that go into these things. You're being selective with the information and then demanding our outrage. Do better.

I care not what you thin.

Well, I never asked you to take on my own body issues, but thanks for clarifying.

I am not in an examination lab writing my dissertation for English, nor am I currently applying for a position. I know how to write, when it is need.

This is only true to an extent. Yeah, I make way more errors and use far more colloquial language when I post here or other 'frivolous' places on the internet. However, some errors are so egregious that they point to a lack of understanding of some basic writing principles.

Further, when you're trying to convince people of your qualifications, it undermines your credibility when you make frequent errors that make reading your posts difficult. We're not going to borrow your shoe, so you have to make your case with your words.

I do not need any judgmental people telling me about my Linguistic experience on a chat forum that is in the least bite professional.

'bit'.

But you did want our opinion on the potential racism at your local Safeway. Given the details you presented and how you presented our opinion is that your problem isn't race related.

[Vetalia]

Your presumption is that everyone that comes on here and have poor grammar must have a poor resume is laughable. I generally do not type like this when I am writing a formal letter or an application, but in this situation, there is no reason what so ever to bother myself with formality. I am not here to impress you with my grammar, nor am I asking for a job. You have no argument.

Proper grammar isn't a formality, it's a fundamental way for people to understand you in any situation. I'm not talking about the stupid, obscure shit that most people aren't aware of but basic sentence structure, grammar and word choice. In any job you'll have to interact with people on both a formal and informal level and if your informal grammar is a mess it'll cause people to doubt your competence at the job, and rightfully so, especially if you're working with people who only speak English as a second language or have limited English skills.

[Zaharawi]

Stop trolling if you have nothing tangible to contribute to the discussion...Baffin.

Knock off the flaming, it takes all of two seconds to look that up on Urban Dictionary and recognize that you are attacking the poster, and not their argument. The rules call that flaming, and that gets rather badly frowned on around here.

So far your arguments have been to repeat the same thing and refuse to address any of the very valid points being raised about them. You have provided no sources aside from anecdotal evidence, which in an NSG debate counts for very, very little. If all you're going to do is continue to whine about perceived racism and not getting a job, then I or one of my colleagues will have to tell you "get a blog" and lock the thread. So if you want to debate, then actually debate.


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I was not attacking him, I was referring to him by his name.

[The Greater German Kaiserreich]

You have no argument.

And you do? Your entire argument is essentially based on "they didn't hire me or my friends, they must be racist." And more than one person here has pointed out why that's BS.

[Inzijard]

Your presumption is that everyone that comes on here and have poor grammar must have a poor resume is laughable. I generally do not type like this when I am writing a formal letter or an application, but in this situation, there is no reason what so ever to bother myself with formality. I am not here to impress you with my grammar, nor am I asking for a job. You have no argument.

(Unfortunately) I have a lot more of an argument than you do. I must work with what you have provided me. If your ability to write is of no concern to an employer, then surely something else is. Based on what has been discussed so far, there is no evidence that Safeway is in any way operating a racist employment campaign.

[Ifreann]

Knock off the flaming, it takes all of two seconds to look that up on Urban Dictionary and recognize that you are attacking the poster, and not their argument. The rules call that flaming, and that gets rather badly frowned on around here.

So far your arguments have been to repeat the same thing and refuse to address any of the very valid points being raised about them. You have provided no sources aside from anecdotal evidence, which in an NSG debate counts for very, very little. If all you're going to do is continue to whine about perceived racism and not getting a job, then I or one of my colleagues will have to tell you "get a blog" and lock the thread. So if you want to debate, then actually debate.


~Evil Forum Empress Rep Prod the Ninja Mod
~She who wields the Banhammer; master of the mighty moderation no-dachi Kiritateru Teikoku

I was not attacking him, I was referring to him by his name.

You read "Der Landstreicher" as "Baffin"? Maybe that's why you didn't get hired.

[Reploid Productions]

Knock off the flaming, it takes all of two seconds to look that up on Urban Dictionary and recognize that you are attacking the poster, and not their argument. The rules call that flaming, and that gets rather badly frowned on around here.

So far your arguments have been to repeat the same thing and refuse to address any of the very valid points being raised about them. You have provided no sources aside from anecdotal evidence, which in an NSG debate counts for very, very little. If all you're going to do is continue to whine about perceived racism and not getting a job, then I or one of my colleagues will have to tell you "get a blog" and lock the thread. So if you want to debate, then actually debate.

~Evil Forum Empress Rep Prod the Ninja Mod
~She who wields the Banhammer; master of the mighty moderation no-dachi Kiritateru Teikoku

I was not attacking him, I was referring to him by his name.

"Der Landstreicher" =/= "Baffin"

No. I am not buying that, thank you very much. It was flaming, and your excuse is not going to fly. Your warning was unofficial, but if the behavior that led to it continues, we can make it all nice and proper with the garish red warning text and everything.


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~She who wields the Banhammer; master of the mighty moderation no-dachi Kiritateru Teikoku

[EnragedMaldivians]

I have gone long periods not able to get a call back from a Taco Bell much less anything else and alternatively been the guy on the other end of the application .

Let's be honest here, who would actually hire you? You couldnt even think of a bloody name.

[Inzijard]

I have gone long periods not able to get a call back from a Taco Bell much less anything else and alternatively been the guy on the other end of the application .

Let's be honest here, who would actually hire you? You couldnt even think of a bloody name.

In this economy, names are far too expensive.

[Greed and Death]

Safeway is unionized, this means they pay a preimum on salary and benefits.
To get the job you have to someone in most circumstances.

[Homosexy]

whoops. reposting on the next page.