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[DRAFT] International Smoking Ban

Postby Legolannd » Thu Mar 05, 2020 2:52 am

Category: Moral Decency
Strength: Strong

The World Assembly, hereby recognizes the habit of smoking cigarettes, cigars and vapors as both detrimental to one's own health; but also the ones around him.
So, herby, the World Assembly;
-Prohibits all smoking of any kind in all public places;

-Bans the sale of most smoking devices in major areas;

-Recognizes any device that is put into one's mouth and blows smoke as a smoking device;

-Herby,

Limits smoking.

(OOC please give me feedback. Constructive Criticism would be appreciated)
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Postby Mzeusia » Thu Mar 05, 2020 2:56 am

I don't think this will pass, given the very strict stance it takes against smoking. Maybe take things down a notch.
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Postby Legolannd » Thu Mar 05, 2020 3:04 am

Mzeusia wrote:I don't think this will pass, given the very strict stance it takes against smoking. Maybe take things down a notch.

thank you. I did. I took it down a couple notches.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Thu Mar 05, 2020 5:32 am

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Postby Island Girl Herby » Thu Mar 05, 2020 6:14 am

Legolannd wrote:-Herby,

Limits smoking.


What? Oh.

Ehhhhhhhhhhhh NO I DON’T!

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Postby Grays Harbor » Thu Mar 05, 2020 7:09 am

Ambassador Rodut lights a fine cigar and leans back in his seat, blowing smoke rings at the ceiling.

No.

OOC: First, given the minimalism of the text of this draft it in no way supports a “strong” strength. I am also not seeing how this is in any way “moral decency”. If this were submitted as it stand I would rule it illegal.
Now, something else to think on, “legal” should not be your goal. “Useful” and/or “good” should be.
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Postby Tinhampton » Thu Mar 05, 2020 7:15 am

Legolannd wrote:-Bans the sale of most smoking devices in major areas;

WHICH ONES??? And what, in the good name of Catherine Gratwick, is a major area?

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Postby Reutoa » Thu Mar 05, 2020 7:27 am

Ambassador Henreich: "The State of Reutoa will not accept this Globalist Plan to restrict people's natural god-given right to Smoke, if proposed we will vote nay and encourage other counties to vote nay as well."
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Postby Bears Armed » Thu Mar 05, 2020 7:54 am

Grays Harbor wrote:OOC: First, given the minimalism of the text of this draft it in no way supports a “strong” strength. I am also not seeing how this is in any way “moral decency”. If this were submitted as it stand I would rule it illegal.

OOC
It imposes an official restriction on people's personal (rather than political or economic) activities: I'd say that Moral Decency is the right category. A total ban on the practice might be 'Significant', "limits" depends on the details of the limitations but probably 'Mild'.
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Postby Grays Harbor » Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:34 am

Bears Armed wrote:
Grays Harbor wrote:OOC: First, given the minimalism of the text of this draft it in no way supports a “strong” strength. I am also not seeing how this is in any way “moral decency”. If this were submitted as it stand I would rule it illegal.

OOC
It imposes an official restriction on people's personal (rather than political or economic) activities: I'd say that Moral Decency is the right category. A total ban on the practice might be 'Significant', "limits" depends on the details of the limitations but probably 'Mild'.

OOC: bah. Disagree. ;)
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Postby Sierra Lyricalia » Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:55 am

Bears Armed wrote:
Grays Harbor wrote:OOC: First, given the minimalism of the text of this draft it in no way supports a “strong” strength. I am also not seeing how this is in any way “moral decency”. If this were submitted as it stand I would rule it illegal.

OOC
It imposes an official restriction on people's personal (rather than political or economic) activities: I'd say that Moral Decency is the right category. A total ban on the practice might be 'Significant', "limits" depends on the details of the limitations but probably 'Mild'.


OOC: I agree. If it were a limitation on tobacco growers, processors, distributors, etc. then you could make a case for Regulation/Consumer Protection; but this is targeting users exclusively (I note it's still legal under this proposal to do all of those things as long as you never touch leaf to lips).



IC: Leo takes his trusty leather pouch from his suit jacket pocket and proceeds to roll some crinkled brown papery bits up into the middle of a white paper, making himself a little white cylinder that he then sticks between his lips. He sets it aglow with his trusty nickle-plated lighter and takes a deep drag.

"No. Fffffffffffffffffffoooh."
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Postby Legolannd » Thu Mar 05, 2020 2:32 pm

Tinhampton wrote:
Legolannd wrote:-Bans the sale of most smoking devices in major areas;

WHICH ONES??? And what, in the good name of Catherine Gratwick, is a major area?

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Major areas, my friend, are urban areas, cities, city centers, and as for which ones: evaporators, cigarettes, cigars

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Postby Legolannd » Thu Mar 05, 2020 2:35 pm

Sierra Lyricalia wrote:
Bears Armed wrote:OOC
It imposes an official restriction on people's personal (rather than political or economic) activities: I'd say that Moral Decency is the right category. A total ban on the practice might be 'Significant', "limits" depends on the details of the limitations but probably 'Mild'.


OOC: I agree. If it were a limitation on tobacco growers, processors, distributors, etc. then you could make a case for Regulation/Consumer Protection; but this is targeting users exclusively (I note it's still legal under this proposal to do all of those things as long as you never touch leaf to lips).



IC: Leo takes his trusty leather pouch from his suit jacket pocket and proceeds to roll some crinkled brown papery bits up into the middle of a white paper, making himself a little white cylinder that he then sticks between his lips. He sets it aglow with his trusty nickle-plated lighter and takes a deep drag.

"No. Fffffffffffffffffffoooh."

IC: Ambassador McKinley stands, then rips the paper out of his mouth. "Liberal fool." He says. Two guards escort Leo away.

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Postby Denathor » Thu Mar 05, 2020 2:44 pm

Callahan reads through the draft, then simply shakes his head.

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Postby Sierra Lyricalia » Thu Mar 05, 2020 4:33 pm

Legolannd wrote:
Sierra Lyricalia wrote:IC: Leo takes his trusty leather pouch from his suit jacket pocket and proceeds to roll some crinkled brown papery bits up into the middle of a white paper, making himself a little white cylinder that he then sticks between his lips. He sets it aglow with his trusty nickle-plated lighter and takes a deep drag.

"No. Fffffffffffffffffffoooh."

IC: Ambassador McKinley stands, then rips the paper out of his mouth. "Liberal fool." He says. Two guards escort Leo away.


OOC: Godmodding is very much frowned upon in this forum. The extent of your character's ability to act against any other player's is to make an attempt, e.g. McKinley aims a fire extinguisher at Leo's head and pumps the handle. It's then up to me whether I permit this external action on my character, or ignore it. You certainly can't unilaterally decide that my ambassador has been taken away by security, for something that isn't even against laws or building regulations. Keep in mind also that any serious assault is assumed to be foiled by the ACME Weapons Nullifiers present in every debating chamber (and the Strangers' Bar) in the WA HQ building.

Would you like to give it another try?
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Postby The Sheika » Thu Mar 05, 2020 7:20 pm

Opposed. I don't smoke myself, and the Federation is not too keen on it to the point where we roll out ad campaigns against the act, but this is something best left to member states.
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Postby Groot » Thu Mar 05, 2020 7:31 pm

The Sheika wrote:Opposed. I don't smoke myself....

Upon hearing those words, Groot raises an eyetwig inquisitively. He breaks off a branch from the top of his head, then rolls it awhile, forming somewhat of a cigar shape. "I am Groot," he says to Leo, motioning towards the nickel-plated lighter, hoping that, if Leo indeed obliges, Groot could, literally, smoke himself.
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Postby Grays Harbor » Thu Mar 05, 2020 8:01 pm

Sierra Lyricalia wrote:
Legolannd wrote:IC: Ambassador McKinley stands, then rips the paper out of his mouth. "Liberal fool." He says. Two guards escort Leo away.


OOC: Godmodding is very much frowned upon in this forum. The extent of your character's ability to act against any other player's is to make an attempt, e.g. McKinley aims a fire extinguisher at Leo's head and pumps the handle. It's then up to me whether I permit this external action on my character, or ignore it. You certainly can't unilaterally decide that my ambassador has been taken away by security, for something that isn't even against laws or building regulations. Keep in mind also that any serious assault is assumed to be foiled by the ACME Weapons Nullifiers present in every debating chamber (and the Strangers' Bar) in the WA HQ building.

Would you like to give it another try?

OOC: There is also the near universal guarantee that any attempt to assault an ambassador will be closely followed by the defenestration of the assaulter.
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Postby The Sheika » Thu Mar 05, 2020 8:02 pm

Groot wrote:
The Sheika wrote:Opposed. I don't smoke myself....

Upon hearing those words, Groot raises an eyetwig inquisitively. He breaks off a branch from the top of his head, then rolls it awhile, forming somewhat of a cigar shape. "I am Groot," he says to Leo, motioning towards the nickel-plated lighter, hoping that, if Leo indeed obliges, Groot could, literally, smoke himself.

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Postby Sierra Lyricalia » Thu Mar 05, 2020 8:21 pm

Groot wrote:
The Sheika wrote:Opposed. I don't smoke myself....

Upon hearing those words, Groot raises an eyetwig inquisitively. He breaks off a branch from the top of his head, then rolls it awhile, forming somewhat of a cigar shape. "I am Groot," he says to Leo, motioning towards the nickel-plated lighter, hoping that, if Leo indeed obliges, Groot could, literally, smoke himself.


Leo is speechless for a moment, his eyebrows seemingly fighting each other for control of his face - the one to produce a nonplussed frown, the other a frankly lascivious grin. After a few seconds, the latter wins. "Why... why, how delightfully perverse. No, I'll not stand in the way of this, by gum!" He quickly produces a flame and holds it out at arm's length toward the arboreal being. "If 'tisn't far too personal a question, uh... well, what's your medicinal properties? Is yon twig a relaxant," Leo asks, raising his hand-rolled cigarette up in the air demonstratively, "Or are you about to take a trip somewhere more lysergic? Not that I mean to pry," he adds quickly. But even a casual observer would note that this was bullshit; it's clear that Leo absolutely means to pry, without the least bit of subtlety masking his intent.
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Postby Araraukar » Thu Mar 05, 2020 9:18 pm

OOC: In RL I seriously wish that smoking was banned everywhere that a non-smoker might get affected by the smoke, because I get headaches from just the smell (I also get headaches when having to be close to someone who's bathed in perfume before leaving their home - and often they're smokers who can't smell the perfume themselves or at least at same strength), or that manufacturers were forced to add something that causes nausea into tobacco (similar to how alcohol affects you) to limit people's desire to pick the habit up in the first place. I'll leave out the other mentions of what I'd like done, because of forum rules and there being smokers even on this forum... :P

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