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Would you support the Vegetarian Law?

Yes I definitely would!
7
7%
Yes I could support it
2
2%
I am not sure
0
No votes
No I would rather not
7
7%
Absolutely not!
88
85%
 
Total votes : 104

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Babylatia
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Postby Babylatia » Fri Oct 09, 2015 7:00 pm

This is a joke, right?

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Nouvelle o France
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Postby Nouvelle o France » Fri Oct 09, 2015 7:16 pm

Babylatia wrote:This is a joke, right?


Sadly, this does not seems to be the case Ambassador, but I agree with you that it is beyond ridiculous.
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Novsvacro
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Postby Novsvacro » Fri Oct 09, 2015 8:57 pm

"The only reasonable course of action is to employ lynch mobs to kill the fascist carnivores who refuse to accept photosynthesis in all its glory!"
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Inuvia
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Founded: Oct 06, 2015
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Postby Inuvia » Fri Oct 09, 2015 9:44 pm

The Kingdom of Inuvia has no desire to support a WA resolution on such a topic. If your state wishes to practice vegetarianism, so be it. However it would be ridiculous to suggest that all WA members be forced to follow along and convert to vegetarianism. This is a decision best left up to the individual, and no democratic state should have any reason to make that decision for them.

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Caracasus
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Postby Caracasus » Sat Oct 10, 2015 2:46 pm

Ambassador, we can not support a resolution such as this. We could, perhaps, be persuaded to support some form of regulation regarding transport of livestock from one nation to another - legislation dealing with the international issues of meat production in a way that reduces unnecessary suffering on the part of the livestock - but an outright ban on meat consumption? No.
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Potted Plants United
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Postby Potted Plants United » Sun Oct 11, 2015 9:39 am

Kaboomlandia wrote:Um, no. Some nation's aren't progressive enough to research alternatives. Also, everybody needs to eat meat, unless you are a nation where plants are the only sapient life form.

A large potted plant in a big plantpot with wheels suddenly comes to life, revealing a large leaf curled up to form a cone, from which a somewhat hissing voice can be heard:

"We would like to point out that while all of our selves are capable of photosynthesis, we also have several selves who require animal proteins - insects or higher orders - to remain fully functional."

OOC: I hope that changing the font to a darker green works, even if the brighter green was prettier. :p
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Ferret Civilization
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Postby Ferret Civilization » Sun Oct 11, 2015 10:04 am

Potted Plants United wrote:A large potted plant in a big plantpot with wheels suddenly comes to life, revealing a large leaf curled up to form a cone, from which a somewhat hissing voice can be heard:

"We would like to point out that while all of our selves are capable of photosynthesis, we also have several selves who require animal proteins - insects or higher orders - to remain fully functional."


"Look at that, even the plants are against this. And not just because of only eating plants but because even some plants eat... Some form of meat. This resolution would do even more damage than what was previously pointed out."

Novsvacro wrote:"The only reasonable course of action is to employ lynch mobs to kill the fascist carnivores who refuse to accept photosynthesis in all its glory!"


"See, this would already start a war. This idea is already causing violence to be a solution, is ending life really the only way, everything was okay before... At least there was a balance."
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Potted Plants United
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Postby Potted Plants United » Sun Oct 11, 2015 10:28 am

Ferret Civilization wrote:"Look at that, even the plants are against this. And not just because of only eating plants but because even some plants eat... Some form of meat. This resolution would do even more damage than what was previously pointed out."

"We can assure you that eating plants would not be the issue for us - for what else is compost but dead plants and the excrement of worms?"
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The Danish Confederacy
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Postby The Danish Confederacy » Sun Oct 11, 2015 10:32 am

Potted Plants United wrote:
Ferret Civilization wrote:"Look at that, even the plants are against this. And not just because of only eating plants but because even some plants eat... Some form of meat. This resolution would do even more damage than what was previously pointed out."

"We can assure you that eating plants would not be the issue for us - for what else is compost but dead plants and the excrement of worms?"

"Why do you eat the excrement of worms?"
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This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.

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Postby Wrapper » Sun Oct 11, 2015 10:38 am

The Danish Confederacy wrote:
Potted Plants United wrote:"We can assure you that eating plants would not be the issue for us - for what else is compost but dead plants and the excrement of worms?"

"Why do you eat the excrement of worms?"

(Ahume stops licking his finger, looks from his snack pack to the Danish ambassador, and shrugs. Ari speaks.)

Don't knock it 'til you've tried it.

Although we are in no way surprised that our leafy friends are against a resolution that mandates the universe-wide consumption of their kind, we agree this is a silly proposal.

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Araraukar
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Postby Araraukar » Sun Oct 11, 2015 10:43 am

The Danish Confederacy wrote:"Why do you eat the excrement of worms?"

OOC: :palm: Read PPU's signature.

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Postby Wrapper » Sun Oct 11, 2015 10:44 am

Araraukar wrote:
The Danish Confederacy wrote:"Why do you eat the excrement of worms?"

OOc: :palm: Read PPU's signature.

OOC: No no, the proper retort is, "At least we don't eat Danishes!" :p

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The Danish Confederacy
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Postby The Danish Confederacy » Sun Oct 11, 2015 10:57 am

Wrapper wrote:
The Danish Confederacy wrote:"Why do you eat the excrement of worms?"

(Ahume stops licking his finger, looks from his snack pack to the Danish ambassador, and shrugs. Ari speaks.)

Don't knock it 'til you've tried it.

Although we are in no way surprised that our leafy friends are against a resolution that mandates the universe-wide consumption of their kind, we agree this is a silly proposal.

"Very silly, indeed."
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This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.

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Engleberg wrote:Big Brother will always be there for you.

And always watching you as you fap to porn.

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Calivia
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Founded: Oct 09, 2015
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Postby Calivia » Sun Oct 11, 2015 11:50 am

"I'm afraid such a resolution would be an unacceptable application of the WA's authority over member nations. Such a resolution borders on tyranny. We should all respect the basic right of individuals to choose what they do and/or do not put into their bodies, whether that be food, medication, or some other substance.

"Setting the obvious ethical issues aside, while their are health benefits to vegetarianism, there are also health benefits to omnivorous behavior. The human body is designed to intake and digest both meat and vegetables, gaining different benefits from both.

"Therefore, the Commonwealth of Calivia cannot, under any circumstances, support such a resolution."
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Kahanistan
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Kahanistan » Sun Oct 11, 2015 11:54 am

"Our government would propose a system similar to our own, where owing to the use of most farmland for feeding humans rather than livestock, laws restricting the use of hormones and antibiotics on livestock intended for human consumption, and strict animal cruelty laws restricting the conditions livestock can legally be raised in, we have essentially made industrial meat production impractical and reduced meat to a niche market for the wealthy. The result of this is that a prime rib now costs close to five hundred universal standard dollars. We don't have to outright pass legislation against eating meat and risk angering our libertarian allies, but we don't have to turn a blind eye to the slaughter either. On the other hand, our system also promotes overfishing by driving people who can't afford meat to the fishing boats. We wouldn't even be able to catch many of the overweight fishing cargoes we do get if our navy wasn't already on edge patrolling in force."

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The Sheika
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Postby The Sheika » Sun Oct 11, 2015 11:57 am

"I think that we have all made it pretty clear that this proposed idea would be a mistake. That said, I would love to hear if the proposing member has any other information to rebut what has been stated. I remain firm in my opinion that this would be perfect for their nation but horrible for the multiverse."
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Bordav
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Founded: Nov 12, 2013
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Postby Bordav » Sat Dec 19, 2015 2:21 pm

Novsvacro wrote:"The only reasonable course of action is to employ lynch mobs to kill the fascist carnivores who refuse to accept photosynthesis in all its glory!"

I can't exactly disagree
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Ferret Civilization
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Founded: Sep 23, 2015
Anarchy

Postby Ferret Civilization » Sat Dec 19, 2015 6:02 pm

Bordav wrote:
Novsvacro wrote:"The only reasonable course of action is to employ lynch mobs to kill the fascist carnivores who refuse to accept photosynthesis in all its glory!"

I can't exactly disagree


"If we are going to go there then bring in the machines, they don't need any of this food anyways and probably find such use of land unnecessary. The fact that you would start a war and kill those that don't agree with you is kind of disturbing."

OOC: I remember you asked if I was pulling logic out of my ass, and I said I was. But if you want to push this, at least be educated about it so if you want to continue you can use better information to your advantage. Because yes in some ways that kind of diet is kind better. But this is a place that doesn't equal real life. But if you want to use those kind of arguments.

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The Imperial Frost Federation
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Founded: Oct 12, 2015
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Postby The Imperial Frost Federation » Sat Dec 19, 2015 7:55 pm

Bordav wrote:Um no, humans are the only sapient life forms here, not some strange carnivorous somehow sapient life forms.


"The IFF has several minority species of Sapient carnivorous life forms that have citizenship in the IFF. So your racism is duly noted sir," said Lt. Albert Nakiri "We will also refuse to support this vile piece of legislation since you are implicitly advocating their extinction by banning their only source of nourishment, meat and blood, making them starve to death. As such we will oppose this resolution if one is drafted to protect our Citizens."
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Bears Armed
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Postby Bears Armed » Sun Dec 20, 2015 5:38 am

The Imperial Frost Federation wrote:"The IFF has several minority species of Sapient carnivorous life forms that have citizenship in the IFF. So your racism is duly noted sir," said Lt. Albert Nakiri "We will also refuse to support this vile piece of legislation since you are implicitly advocating their extinction by banning their only source of nourishment, meat and blood, making them starve to death. As such we will oppose this resolution if one is drafted to protect our Citizens."

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Rojans
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Postby Rojans » Sun Dec 20, 2015 5:47 am

I could support a bill that helps recognizes the importance of eating healthy, why vegetarianism is an option, but to demand it on the whole world including my nation.. I cannot, I will not.

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The Alexanderians
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Postby The Alexanderians » Sun Dec 20, 2015 5:49 am

I'd not only not support this I'm going to eat a ton of meat as protest
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Postby Pulau Singapura » Sun Dec 20, 2015 5:51 am

This is utterly ridiculous. Just as ridiculous as allowing nuclear warfare
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Postby Ragnarum » Sun Dec 20, 2015 5:55 am

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Postby Kaboomlandia » Sun Dec 20, 2015 1:16 pm

Let dead threads stay dead.
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