[PASSED] International Aero-Space Administration

[The Puddle Jumping Wads of Wrapper]

All OOC:

OOC: I don't recall the wording at the time of my previous comments but this still look likes a potential committee only violation? If you strip out all the committee related clauses, you're left with a clause which only effects future WA action and has no effect on member nations.

Not sure if that's true or not. You should ask GenSec. But true or not....:

Perhaps a BS clause directly encouraging member states to erect space traffic lights or some other superficial or harmless non-committee related action would make it bullet proof.

Or better yet, change this:

Member states engaging in nonmilitary space launches that may cross into either international or foreign national territory are required to liaise with IASA and the IMO to coordinate flight plans to avoid conflict, collision, or other unintended risk to other space programs or launches;

to this:

Member states engaging in nonmilitary space launches that may cross into either international or foreign national territory are required to coordinate flight plans, with either the IASA or the affected nations or territories, to avoid conflict, collision, or other unintended risk to other space programs or launches;

Now you're mandating a nation to take an action, either with the committee or with another nation. That should certainly be enough to be "bullet-proof", while also cutting down on the bureaucracy a bit.

[Bakhton]

Believing international cooperation to be the only way to truly develop space science research, and;

"Why would this be? The Bakhton Interstellar Society for Alien Research and Aeronautics (BISARA) is doing fine despite the long acronym."

The World Assembly hereby establishes the International Aero-Space Administration (IASA), and empowers it with the following mandate:
[list]To coordinate and publish public research in the field of space exploration, aerospace science and engineering, and other disciplines related to the pursuit of space science;

"We are all for a more open and free academia, however, if they are not working off of profit incentive, where will the funding for these projects come from?"

To liaise with the WA Scientific Programme on the coordination and release of non-classified research and development related to the disciplines of aerospace research and space exploration;
To further liaise specifically with the International Meteorological Organisation (IMO) regarding coordination and safety considerations involved with terrestrial space launches;

"No objection."

To provide, upon request, technical assistance and advisors for developing and building those space programs within member states that have a distinctly civilian orientation,

"What is a distinctly civilian orientation?"
Lara Qzu flips over the paperwork to read the rest of the proposal, "We extend a mild support, however we'd like to have these points clarified, non-textually or textually under your preference, and wish this idea may be more active in the conflict resolution between member states Space agencies and their agendas."

[Separatist Peoples]

Believing international cooperation to be the only way to truly develop space science research, and;

"Why would this be? The Bakhton Interstellar Society for Alien Research and Aeronautics (BISARA) is doing fine despite the long acronym."

"Fluff. It sounds good."

The World Assembly hereby establishes the International Aero-Space Administration (IASA), and empowers it with the following mandate:
[list]To coordinate and publish public research in the field of space exploration, aerospace science and engineering, and other disciplines related to the pursuit of space science;

"We are all for a more open and free academia, however, if they are not working off of profit incentive, where will the funding for these projects come from?"

"The WAGF, as do all mandates without explicit funding regimes. Alternatively, IASA can establish reasonable fees for access to such publications. The details are really up to the administrative body."

To provide, upon request, technical assistance and advisors for developing and building those space programs within member states that have a distinctly civilian orientation,

"What is a distinctly civilian orientation?"

"An organization that is distinctly civilian. So, not a military. Or, depending on how one organizes their enforcement division, not a police force. Another determination to be made on the administrative and not legislative level."

[Lexicor]

"Support as written."

[Imperium Anglorum]

OOC: I will support if the acronym is changed to the Interatmospheric Administration.

[Sierra Lyricalia]

OOC: I will support if the acronym is changed to the Interatmospheric Administration.

OOC: you want the submitted proposal to be illegal for branding? Seems a mite counterproductive...

[Separatist Peoples]

OOC: Name source

[Whovian Tardisia]

OOC: Name source

OOC: So, it's a RL reference then.

[Wallenburg]

OOC: Name source

I like how the mainpage doesn't exist.

[States of Glory WA Office]

OOC: Name source

I like how the mainpage doesn't exist.

OOC: It was deleted. Presumably, some admin claimed that it couldn't be deleted and another admin decided to test that out.

[Separatist Peoples]

OOC: Name source

OOC: So, it's a RL reference then.

Ooc: you could try it. I doubt it would fly.

OOC: Name source

I like how the mainpage doesn't exist.

Ooc: I'm not the site admin over at the Farscape wiki, so I couldn't tell you what the issue is there.

[Wallenburg]

I like how the mainpage doesn't exist.

Ooc: I'm not the site admin over at the Farscape wiki, so I couldn't tell you what the issue is there.

The issue is fan wikis have a short life expectancy.

[Separatist Peoples]

"I am caving to peer pressure and the sure and certain knowledge that the delegation from Tinfect will zap me with a phaser or something if I don't move forward with this. So, are there any final requests for changes?"

[States of Glory WA Office]

Fairburn: We see no reason to oppose this proposal. Our support is with the CDSP.

[Separatist Peoples]

"Anybody else? If I get somebody weighing in on a serious flaw at the last bloody moment, I'm going to have to throw them out a window."

[Sierra Lyricalia]

"Anybody else? If I get somebody weighing in on a serious flaw at the last bloody moment, I'm going to have to throw them out a window."

"Unlike virtually every other space travel proposal, we find this a most satisfactory resolution. Gods'speed to you, and light 'em up!"

[Imperium Anglorum]

Clause numbering.

[Bananaistan]

OOC: The blocking clause contradicts the two preceding clauses. Does it need something to the effect of "subject to this and previously passed resolutions"?

Also, I'd recommend that "direct authority" should be changed to just "authority" to avoid future arguments about the difference between indirect and direct authority considering that usually the WA only acts indirectly through member states.

Is there a reason why the last preambulatory clause finishes with a comma when all the others have a semi-colon?

Aside from these, it looks good IMO and AFAIC the penultimate clause is now bullet proof. Stripping out the committee leaves "member states are strongly encouraged to share their research with both other member states and IASA, for the betterment of all scientific development" as an operative clause aimed solely at member states.

[Whovian Tardisia]

Ambassador Pink, with a lump in his throat, walks over to the nearby window and opens it. He then begins to speak:
"Our only worry with this proposal is a simple choice of wording that may cause some alarming loopholes due to the fact that the law is what the law says. We have indicated the concerning section in red."

To provide, upon request, technical assistance and advisors for developing and building those space programs within member states that have a distinctly civilian orientation, by sharing technical, organizational, and administrative data with those programs, with the intention of providing fledgling space programs all the information necessary to remain efficient and effective;

"Now, our interpretation of this is that it is the space programs being referred to as having a distinctly civilian orientation. However, another ambassador expressed confusion earlier in this debate as to how a member state could have a distinctly civilian orientation. We suggest that the sentence be restructured to prevent this confusion. It may be as simple as adding a comma between 'states' and 'that', but it escapes me at the moment whether that would be grammatically correct. Another possibility is the following:"

...for developing and building distinctly civilian space programs within member states, by sharing...

"We support the proposal as is, but we worry that without addressing the above issue, it may be followed in bad faith completely unintentionally."

[The Greater Siriusian Domain]

Teran Saber: "Best I've seen so far, but there's one glaring issue."

Member states engaging in nonmilitary space launches that may cross into either international or foreign national territory are required to liaise with IASA and the IMO to coordinate flight plans to avoid conflict, collision, or other unintended risk to other space programs or launches

"If this is any more complicated than contacting the local ATC Tower at an airport or spaceport when entering controlled airspace, nations where personal spacecraft are common are going to have a LOT of fun with this. And by a lot of fun I mean NO FUN AT ALL."

"Resolve that one issue, though, and the Greater Siriusian Domain will fully support this. Heck, we may even donate a Frostknife-class kitted out as an exploration vessel."

[The Puddle Jumping Wads of Wrapper]

"I am caving to peer pressure and the sure and certain knowledge that the delegation from Tinfect will zap me with a phaser or something if I don't move forward with this. So, are there any final requests for changes?"

.... change this:

Member states engaging in nonmilitary space launches that may cross into either international or foreign national territory are required to liaise with IASA and the IMO to coordinate flight plans to avoid conflict, collision, or other unintended risk to other space programs or launches;

to this:

Member states engaging in nonmilitary space launches that may cross into either international or foreign national territory are required to coordinate flight plans, with either the IASA or the affected nations or territories, to avoid conflict, collision, or other unintended risk to other space programs or launches;

[Excidium Planetis]

"I concur with the Ambassador Teran Saber." Blackbourne states. "Coordinating civilian launches with the IASA and IMO would be a difficult task. It is much easier for them to coordinate with air traffic control in the applicable nations."

[Separatist Peoples]

Teran Saber: "Best I've seen so far, but there's one glaring issue."

Member states engaging in nonmilitary space launches that may cross into either international or foreign national territory are required to liaise with IASA and the IMO to coordinate flight plans to avoid conflict, collision, or other unintended risk to other space programs or launches

"If this is any more complicated than contacting the local ATC Tower at an airport or spaceport when entering controlled airspace, nations where personal spacecraft are common are going to have a LOT of fun with this. And by a lot of fun I mean NO FUN AT ALL."

"Resolve that one issue, though, and the Greater Siriusian Domain will fully support this. Heck, we may even donate a Frostknife-class kitted out as an exploration vessel."

Ooc: i,don't have time for an IC reply, but feel free to pretend it is if it suits you. Requiring liaison with an international organization in these situations lowers the risk of data being left out of the loop by centralizing it. If you're a ft spacefaring nation, I doubt it matters, since it's unlikely that most of your flights are over multinational space, so it's a fairly moot issue.

[Wallenburg]

Teran Saber: "Best I've seen so far, but there's one glaring issue."



"If this is any more complicated than contacting the local ATC Tower at an airport or spaceport when entering controlled airspace, nations where personal spacecraft are common are going to have a LOT of fun with this. And by a lot of fun I mean NO FUN AT ALL."

"Resolve that one issue, though, and the Greater Siriusian Domain will fully support this. Heck, we may even donate a Frostknife-class kitted out as an exploration vessel."

Ooc: i,don't have time for an IC reply, but feel free to pretend it is if it suits you. Requiring liaison with an international organization in these situations lowers the risk of data being left out of the loop by centralizing it. If you're a ft spacefaring nation, I doubt it matters, since it's unlikely that most of your flights are over multinational space, so it's a fairly moot issue.

OOC: It also severely impairs international trade and travel, and inserts WA bureaucracy into situations where member states may be perfectly fine with free movement across their borders. It also impairs exploratory efforts and, in the case of MT nations like those of today's Earth, would require organizations like NASA, ESA, Roscosmos, CNSA, ISRO, SpaceX, and ULA to liase for every single one of their launches.

[Separatist Peoples]

Ooc: i,don't have time for an IC reply, but feel free to pretend it is if it suits you. Requiring liaison with an international organization in these situations lowers the risk of data being left out of the loop by centralizing it. If you're a ft spacefaring nation, I doubt it matters, since it's unlikely that most of your flights are over multinational space, so it's a fairly moot issue.

OOC: It also severely impairs international trade and travel, and inserts WA bureaucracy into situations where member states may be perfectly fine with free movement across their borders. It also impairs exploratory efforts and, in the case of MT nations like those of today's Earth, would require organizations like NASA, ESA, Roscosmos, CNSA, ISRO, SpaceX, and ULA to liase for every single one of their launches.

Ooc: it limits the amount of liaising, as you only need to work with IASA to work with member ststes in managing ATC. Centralized information sharing decreases communications difficulty. How you choose to complicate liaising is up to you.