by Bendira » Sun Oct 24, 2010 9:30 am
by Risottia » Sun Oct 24, 2010 9:35 am
Bendira wrote: The best the opposition can do, is create a hypothetical situation where a billionaire goes insane, and decides to try to take over society, just to be a big old meanie pants. I would ask you to ignore this stupid critique, because EVERY system has an achilles heel.
Some crazed billionaire could buy an unprotected soviet nuclear warhead and detonate it in the United States right now as well.
by Bendira » Sun Oct 24, 2010 9:44 am
And why would it be stupid? Just because you say so?
Hint, every market without governmental control tends towards private monopoly. See Standard Oil for an example.
Prove that Russian warheads are unprotected.
Basically, your idea is made of fail. Also see the post-Renaissance Italian wars to understand what resorting to private mercenary companies for defense means.
by Lackadaisical2 » Sun Oct 24, 2010 9:44 am
Risottia wrote:Bendira wrote: The best the opposition can do, is create a hypothetical situation where a billionaire goes insane, and decides to try to take over society, just to be a big old meanie pants. I would ask you to ignore this stupid critique, because EVERY system has an achilles heel.
And why would it be stupid? Just because you say so?
Hint, every market without governmental control tends towards private monopoly. See Standard Oil for an example.
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by Risottia » Sun Oct 24, 2010 9:51 am
Bendira wrote:And why would it be stupid? Just because you say so?
Hint, every market without governmental control tends towards private monopoly. See Standard Oil for an example.
Markets tend to consolodate when there are some corporations more efficient than others. Through buyouts and such, the amount of corporations often does grow fewer and fewer. But they do not form monopolies. Monopolies are extremely rare, what is more common is an oligopoly.
Yeah but you must have missed the op, where I told about how free markets wouldn't create private mercenary companies.
by Bendira » Sun Oct 24, 2010 9:56 am
Risi wrote:1.Monopolies are extremely rare NOW because there are antitrust laws. You should try and enforce them on a company that keeps a military-grade force as keeps of its standard job. But the mere act of enforcing antitrust laws makes a market non-entirely free.
2.So we would have 5 or 6 military corporations striving between them to conquer the biggest share of the "defence" market. Wow, nice scenario.
I didn't miss it. You implied that they would, by saying that they would provide protection from a foreign invasion. How could they do that without having a military-grade force?
by The Lone Alliance » Sun Oct 24, 2010 10:32 am
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by Vectrova » Sun Oct 24, 2010 10:48 am
by Bendira » Sun Oct 24, 2010 10:57 am
Vectrova wrote:How does any anarchist society have the ability to prevent aggression from happening? Seriously, how? Do you think the private defense firms won't ruthlessly pursue profit no matter who gets hurt?
by Vectrova » Sun Oct 24, 2010 11:01 am
by Bendira » Sun Oct 24, 2010 11:03 am
by Dyakovo » Sun Oct 24, 2010 11:06 am
by Vectrova » Sun Oct 24, 2010 11:08 am
Bendira wrote:Vectrova wrote:
So you've never heard of Banana Corp.? Nike? Just about any corporation employing sweatshop labor or ruining the country soil's ability to produce?
Seriously?
Yeah, outsourcing is ridiculous. We should totally rid of these unions and government regulations.
But anyways, back to the topic. How would a private defense agency make profit by hurting people?
by Greed and Death » Sun Oct 24, 2010 11:19 am
Where the government assigned oil rights, and purchased oil in such away that bigger =ed betterRisottia wrote:Bendira wrote: The best the opposition can do, is create a hypothetical situation where a billionaire goes insane, and decides to try to take over society, just to be a big old meanie pants. I would ask you to ignore this stupid critique, because EVERY system has an achilles heel.
And why would it be stupid? Just because you say so?
Hint, every market without governmental control tends towards private monopoly. See Standard Oil for an example.
Basically, your idea is made of fail. Also see the post-Renaissance Italian wars to understand what resorting to private mercenary companies for defense means.
by Bendira » Sun Oct 24, 2010 11:19 am
Moreover, this is what a normal corporation does without a private military force behind it. With one? Entire countries get invaded as venture capitalist takes on a whole new name, the UN starts recognizing WalMart as its own country...
Even assuming that doesn't happen, there's nothing with quite a ring to it like paying a defense firm to not attack or assist in the invasion of another country. How would you feel if the TSA was paid by the Taliban to let some hijackers into your country, for example?
Plenty of money to be had in human suffering.
by Dyakovo » Sun Oct 24, 2010 11:22 am
Bendira wrote:Moreover, this is what a normal corporation does without a private military force behind it. With one? Entire countries get invaded as venture capitalist takes on a whole new name, the UN starts recognizing WalMart as its own country...
IDK wtf your talking about when you reference the U.N. and WAL-MART. Countries already get invaded by corporations and are exploited. These corporations are called governments.
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by Bendira » Sun Oct 24, 2010 11:25 am
by Dyakovo » Sun Oct 24, 2010 11:29 am
Bendira wrote:A government is a corporation, only they obtain their profits through theft. A government operates defense, roads, medical services and other things that alternatively the free market would provide. So how the fuck isn't the government a corporation?
by Bendira » Sun Oct 24, 2010 11:31 am
Dyakovo wrote:Bendira wrote:A government is a corporation, only they obtain their profits through theft. A government operates defense, roads, medical services and other things that alternatively the free market would provide. So how the fuck isn't the government a corporation?
I already showed you "how the fuck isn't the government a corporation"
by Vectrova » Sun Oct 24, 2010 11:31 am
Bendira wrote:Moreover, this is what a normal corporation does without a private military force behind it. With one? Entire countries get invaded as venture capitalist takes on a whole new name, the UN starts recognizing WalMart as its own country...
IDK wtf your talking about when you reference the U.N. and WAL-MART. Countries already get invaded by corporations and are exploited. These corporations are called governments, and they do it with money they stole via taxation. Private corporations overthrowing governments overseas would be a massive investment risk, and if you know anything about economics, would most likely be impossible when you factor in the costs of goods having to rise to accomodate war efforts. The difference here being, private corporations have an incentive NOT to invade other countries (risky investment) wheras government steals all their money, so its not a risk at all. If they lose who cares, people died and they lost money. Oh well.
[/quote]Even assuming that doesn't happen, there's nothing with quite a ring to it like paying a defense firm to not attack or assist in the invasion of another country. How would you feel if the TSA was paid by the Taliban to let some hijackers into your country, for example?
Plenty of money to be had in human suffering.
Lets put your example into a scenario without a government, and just private defense agencies. Lets say a terrorist organization pays an insurance company to allow them to blow up a single factory. First of all, the cost these terrorists would have to pay would have to be significantly higher than the cost of paying the victims families1, as well as the insurance payout for the property itself. On top of this, the defense agency itself would come under scrutiny for not preventing an attack2, hurting their business. Any collateral damage caused that may have damaged others property must be paid for out of insurance as well3. On top of all of this, there is no nationalist brainwashing. Its all for money, not for some ideological fantasy. So keeping this information secret would be counter productive if you knew about it4, especially since this insurance companies competitors would most likely be willing to pay A LOT of money for this information, to put their competitor out of business. Why would a private insurance company risk all this, and more that I didn't mention, for a single terrorist attack on a factory5? Not to mention the criminal implications of this when the information is leaked.
So no, I don't think your scenario holds that much weight.
by Dyakovo » Sun Oct 24, 2010 11:34 am
by The Lone Alliance » Sun Oct 24, 2010 11:35 am
Ask career criminals.
by Dyakovo » Sun Oct 24, 2010 11:37 am
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