Whose football wins and why

[The Archregimancy]

1: More popular doesn't mean objectively better.
2: Derivative of, not copy of.
3: Exaggeration, to say the least and commercial breaks aren't a part of the game.
4: "Soccer" players (as would rugby players) would wear as much padding as American football players if they had to endure they same kind of hits...
5: Not more skill, simply a different skill set.
6: As do American football players...

Commercial breaks are a part of American football, or at least NFL football.

Some years ago, I went to an Atlanta Hawks game (against an Elway-led Denver Broncos, I think, though my memory's a bit sketchy on this point).

Every now and then, at the end of a play, the players would mill around aimlessly on the field, the cheerleaders would step forward and perform a routine, and that was it for about 2-3 minutes. Then the cheerleaders would move back, the players would form a huddle again, and play would resume.

Eventually we worked out (with a bit of help from the people sitting next to us) that what appeared to us to be random and inexplicable extended breaks in the action were commercial time-outs inserted into the game to allow the broadcasting network to fit in the requisite amount of advertising.

A quick Google search for 'television timeout' brings up a Wiki article that confirms this isn't just my memory playing tricks on me:

American football: The National Football League (NFL) requires that its games have twenty commercial breaks, with ten in each half (an exception is the overtime period which has none). These intervals run either one or two minutes in length. Of the ten per half, two are mandatory (the end of the quarter and the two-minute warning) and the remaining eight are optional. Such timeouts can be applied after field goal tries, conversion attempts for both one and two points following touchdowns, changes in possession either by punts or turnovers, and kickoffs with the exception of the ones that start each half or are within the last five minutes of such. They are also called during stoppages due to injury, instant replay challenges, when either of the participating teams uses one of its set of timeouts, and if the network needs to catch up on its commercial advertisement schedule. The arrangement for college football contests is similar, except for the absence of the two-minute warning.

[SD_Film Artists]

I don't like American football with its American-centricness (how can it be a "World Series" if only one nation bar Hati plays it?) and stealing the name of another sport, but it does have better team names.

[Dyakovo]

1: More popular doesn't mean objectively better.
2: Derivative of, not copy of.
3: Exaggeration, to say the least and commercial breaks aren't a part of the game.
4: "Soccer" players (as would rugby players) would wear as much padding as American football players if they had to endure they same kind of hits...
5: Not more skill, simply a different skill set.
6: As do American football players...

Commercial breaks are a part of American football, or at least NFL football.

Some years ago, I went to an Atlanta Hawks game (against an Elway-led Denver Broncos, I think, though my memory's a bit sketchy on this point).

Every now and then, at the end of a play, the players would mill around aimlessly on the field, the cheerleaders would step forward and perform a routine, and that was it for about 2-3 minutes. Then the cheerleaders would move back, the players would form a huddle again, and play would resume.

Eventually we worked out (with a bit of help from the people sitting next to us) that what appeared to us to be random and inexplicable extended breaks in the action were commercial time-outs inserted into the game to allow the broadcasting network to fit in the requisite amount of advertising.

A quick Google search for 'television timeout' brings up a Wiki article that confirms this isn't just my memory playing tricks on me:

American football: The National Football League (NFL) requires that its games have twenty commercial breaks, with ten in each half (an exception is the overtime period which has none). These intervals run either one or two minutes in length. Of the ten per half, two are mandatory (the end of the quarter and the two-minute warning) and the remaining eight are optional. Such timeouts can be applied after field goal tries, conversion attempts for both one and two points following touchdowns, changes in possession either by punts or turnovers, and kickoffs with the exception of the ones that start each half or are within the last five minutes of such. They are also called during stoppages due to injury, instant replay challenges, when either of the participating teams uses one of its set of timeouts, and if the network needs to catch up on its commercial advertisement schedule. The arrangement for college football contests is similar, except for the absence of the two-minute warning.

Television timeouts for the NFL are to make the game more tv friendly, not an intrinsic part of the game.

[Dyakovo]

I don't like American football with its American-centricness (how can it be a "World Series" if only one nation bar Hati plays it?) and stealing the name of another sport, but it does have better team names.

The "World Series" is baseball not American football...
Also, they didn't "steal the name" of another sport.

[SD_Film Artists]

Oh and... Added time malt-aye ball!

[SD_Film Artists]

I don't like American football with its American-centricness (how can it be a "World Series" if only one nation bar Hati plays it?) and stealing the name of another sport, but it does have better team names.

The "World Series" is baseball not American football...
Also, they didn't "steal the name" of another sport.

1: Okay, though still an American sport

2: How so?

[The Archregimancy]

Television timeouts for the NFL are to make the game more tv friendly, not an intrinsic part of the game.

True, but they are still a mandatory part of the game under the NFL's rules, so it's perfectly reasonable to describe them as part of the game under the rules of the sport's most visible and successful league, even if they're not strictly speaking a necessary part of the game.

[Dyakovo]

I don't like American football with its American-centricness (how can it be a "World Series" if only one nation bar Hati plays it?) and stealing the name of another sport, but it does have better team names.

The "World Series" is baseball not American football...
Also, they didn't "steal the name" of another sport.

1: Okay, though still an American sport

2: How so?

1: But a completely different sport and thus has no bearing on the discussion at hand...
2: Both fit the definition of a "football" game...

any of various games played with a ball (round or oval) in which two teams try to kick or carry or propel the ball into each other's goal

[SD_Film Artists]

I don't like American football with its American-centricness (how can it be a "World Series" if only one nation bar Hati plays it?) and stealing the name of another sport, but it does have better team names.

The "World Series" is baseball not American football...
Also, they didn't "steal the name" of another sport.

1: Okay, though still an American sport

2: How so?

1: But a completely different sport and thus has no bearing on the discussion at hand...
2: Both fit the definition of a "football" game...

any of various games played with a ball (round or oval) in which two teams try to kick or carry or propel the ball into each other's goal

1: Yes.
2: Well not really, it's more like Rugby. And besides, there's already a sport called Football.

[Dyakovo]

I don't like American football with its American-centricness (how can it be a "World Series" if only one nation bar Hati plays it?) and stealing the name of another sport, but it does have better team names.

The "World Series" is baseball not American football...
Also, they didn't "steal the name" of another sport.

1: Okay, though still an American sport

2: How so?

1: But a completely different sport and thus has no bearing on the discussion at hand...
2: Both fit the definition of a "football" game...

any of various games played with a ball (round or oval) in which two teams try to kick or carry or propel the ball into each other's goal

1: Yes.
2: Well not really, it's more like Rugby. And besides, there's already a sport called Football.

Rugby is a football game...

[SD_Film Artists]

I don't like American football with its American-centricness (how can it be a "World Series" if only one nation bar Hati plays it?) and stealing the name of another sport, but it does have better team names.

The "World Series" is baseball not American football...
Also, they didn't "steal the name" of another sport.

1: Okay, though still an American sport

2: How so?

1: But a completely different sport and thus has no bearing on the discussion at hand...
2: Both fit the definition of a "football" game...

any of various games played with a ball (round or oval) in which two teams try to kick or carry or propel the ball into each other's goal

1: Yes.
2: Well not really, it's more like Rugby. And besides, there's already a sport called Football.

Rugby is a football game...

In a very broad sence, perhaps. It's in their hands the majority of the time.

[Blouman Empire]

1: More popular doesn't mean objectively better.
2: Derivative of, not copy of.
3: Exaggeration, to say the least and commercial breaks aren't a part of the game.
4: "Soccer" players (as would rugby players) would wear as much padding as American football players if they had to endure they same kind of hits...
5: Not more skill, simply a different skill set.
6: As do American football players...

Commercial breaks are a part of American football, or at least NFL football.

Some years ago, I went to an Atlanta Hawks game (against an Elway-led Denver Broncos, I think, though my memory's a bit sketchy on this point).

Every now and then, at the end of a play, the players would mill around aimlessly on the field, the cheerleaders would step forward and perform a routine, and that was it for about 2-3 minutes. Then the cheerleaders would move back, the players would form a huddle again, and play would resume.

Eventually we worked out (with a bit of help from the people sitting next to us) that what appeared to us to be random and inexplicable extended breaks in the action were commercial time-outs inserted into the game to allow the broadcasting network to fit in the requisite amount of advertising.

A quick Google search for 'television timeout' brings up a Wiki article that confirms this isn't just my memory playing tricks on me:

American football: The National Football League (NFL) requires that its games have twenty commercial breaks, with ten in each half (an exception is the overtime period which has none). These intervals run either one or two minutes in length. Of the ten per half, two are mandatory (the end of the quarter and the two-minute warning) and the remaining eight are optional. Such timeouts can be applied after field goal tries, conversion attempts for both one and two points following touchdowns, changes in possession either by punts or turnovers, and kickoffs with the exception of the ones that start each half or are within the last five minutes of such. They are also called during stoppages due to injury, instant replay challenges, when either of the participating teams uses one of its set of timeouts, and if the network needs to catch up on its commercial advertisement schedule. The arrangement for college football contests is similar, except for the absence of the two-minute warning.

Don't know if you ever went to an AFL match when in Australia but a similar thing happens after every goal. The umpire before bouncing the ball will wait for a light to flash from the commentary boxes to signify that the ads are over.

[DrVenkman]

Professional Sports: paying people millions to kick, throw, and run balls around.

[The Archregimancy]

Don't know if you ever went to an AFL match when in Australia but a similar thing happens after every goal. The umpire before bouncing the ball will wait for a light to flash from the commentary boxes to signify that the ads are over.

I did. Collingwood versus somebody, though I forget whom.

One of the reasons I could never really get into AFL was because practically every time someone scored a goal in a televised match, the network would cut away to an advert. So where the uninitiated might want to see some replays to gain a better understanding of what had just happened, instead I was treated to a couple of bogans trying to entice me into eating at Red Rooster. All televised matches assume you already know what's happening.

You can sort of see why it didn't quite work for me...

And I still don't know how far you're allowed to run before you have to bounce the ball.

[Holland Israel and USA]

Don't know if you ever went to an AFL match when in Australia but a similar thing happens after every goal. The umpire before bouncing the ball will wait for a light to flash from the commentary boxes to signify that the ads are over.

I did. Collingwood versus somebody, though I forget whom.

One of the reasons I could never really get into AFL was because practically every time someone scored a goal in a televised match, the network would cut away to an advert. So where the uninitiated might want to see some replays to gain a better understanding of what had just happened, instead I was treated to a couple of bogans trying to entice me into eating at Red Rooster. All televised matches assume you already know what's happening.

You can sort of see why it didn't quite work for me...

And I still don't know how far you're allowed to run before you have to bounce the ball.

Soccer is the most played and watched sport, thats a FACT!

[Hegstoria]

Don't know if you ever went to an AFL match when in Australia but a similar thing happens after every goal. The umpire before bouncing the ball will wait for a light to flash from the commentary boxes to signify that the ads are over.

I did. Collingwood versus somebody, though I forget whom.

One of the reasons I could never really get into AFL was because practically every time someone scored a goal in a televised match, the network would cut away to an advert. So where the uninitiated might want to see some replays to gain a better understanding of what had just happened, instead I was treated to a couple of bogans trying to entice me into eating at Red Rooster. All televised matches assume you already know what's happening.

You can sort of see why it didn't quite work for me...

And I still don't know how far you're allowed to run before you have to bounce the ball.

Soccer is the most played and watched sport, thats a FACT!

And that has nothing to do with what he just said, don't troll please.

[New Chalcedon]

ARF for the win!

Seriously, Australian Rules Football is far cooler, more stylish and more athletically demanding than that over-muscled idiocy you play in America!

[Bluth Corporation]

In a very broad sence, perhaps. It's in their hands the majority of the time.

So?

Seriously, you should read a post I made several pages earlier in this thread. Association football has no more historical claim to the term "football" than do any of the other football codes.

[Dyakovo]

ARF for the win!

Seriously, Australian Rules Football is far cooler, more stylish and more athletically demanding than that over-muscled idiocy you play in America!

Another example of an argument that fails to show how one football code is objectively better than the others...

[Maurepas]

I don't like American football with its American-centricness (how can it be a "World Series" if only one nation bar Hati plays it?) and stealing the name of another sport, but it does have better team names.

If you want to get down to it, Association Football stole it from an earlier game, and so on. It's a historical distinction, and noone has a legitimate claim to "own" it, and so, therefore, noone can really steal it.

Now, if we were calling American Football, Association Football, then, you'd have a point, but, that is not the case.

And, the World Series is the wrong sport, sport,

[Blouman Empire]

Don't know if you ever went to an AFL match when in Australia but a similar thing happens after every goal. The umpire before bouncing the ball will wait for a light to flash from the commentary boxes to signify that the ads are over.

I did. Collingwood versus somebody, though I forget whom.

One of the reasons I could never really get into AFL was because practically every time someone scored a goal in a televised match, the network would cut away to an advert. So where the uninitiated might want to see some replays to gain a better understanding of what had just happened, instead I was treated to a couple of bogans trying to entice me into eating at Red Rooster. All televised matches assume you already know what's happening.

You can sort of see why it didn't quite work for me...

Yeah true, I'm not a big fan of watching it on TV, well not really a fan of watching it most of the time.

And I still don't know how far you're allowed to run before you have to bounce the ball.

Either do I, I think the umpires make it uo as they go along.

[Sun Aut Ex]

And I still don't know how far you're allowed to run before you have to bounce the ball.

Either do I, I think the umpires make it uo as they go along.

Once every fifteen metres, allegedly.

[The Alma Mater]

1: More popular doesn't mean objectively better.

Better for the economy, certainly.

Or to rephrase: if you dislike both sports, you should prefer an international football tournament over an international American football tournament in your country. It can actually get it out of a credit crunch - THAT is how much money it generates.

Hmm. The solution for the USA: start playing football. Do ya hear me, Obama ?