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Postby The Cat-Tribe » Mon May 31, 2010 1:05 pm

Central World Alliance wrote:Does American football beat regular football and why.


I would like a good long and four day debate on this!


Having admitted to not having read the thread, I find this question silly.

I am an avid fan of both sports. I see no need to argue about how or why one is better than another when I could be enjoying watching a match of one or the other (or one of the several other sports I enjoy watching).

Neither is superior. They are just different.
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Postby Andrewboy » Mon May 31, 2010 1:06 pm

Andrewboy wrote:Regular soccer cause:
1. The players are more fit, American football players need 10 pounds of protection, Soccer players only wear shin pads that dont work very well

2. regular football is more popluar around the world

3. Regular football is more exciting

5. American football is a ripoff of rugby(also invented by the english)

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Postby EvilDarkMagicians » Mon May 31, 2010 1:07 pm

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Central World Alliance wrote:Does American football beat regular football and why.


American football is "regular football."


No. Many English speakers around the world call it football.
The French for example call it: Le foot. The Spanish speakers call it Futebol.
More similar to what Americans call it.
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Postby Dyakovo » Mon May 31, 2010 1:09 pm

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Central World Alliance wrote:Does American football beat regular football and why.


American football is "regular football."

No, American football is American football. Soccer is what Americans call football.
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Postby The Fanboyists » Mon May 31, 2010 1:14 pm

Maurepas wrote:American, cause they have a team in New Orleans, 8)


Too bad the one in Baltimore is better.
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Postby Arkinesia » Mon May 31, 2010 1:14 pm

The Cat-Tribe wrote:
Central World Alliance wrote:Does American football beat regular football and why.


I would like a good long and four day debate on this!


Having admitted to not having read the thread, I find this question silly.

I am an avid fan of both sports. I see no need to argue about how or why one is better than another when I could be enjoying watching a match of one or the other (or one of the several other sports I enjoy watching).

Neither is superior. They are just different.

Like I said :)

American football is about strategy and guts, soccer is about artistry. They're not really comparable.
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Postby The Plutonian Empire » Mon May 31, 2010 1:15 pm

Dyakovo wrote:
Bluth Corporation wrote:
Central World Alliance wrote:Does American football beat regular football and why.


American football is "regular football."

No, American football is American football. Soccer is what Americans call football.

Uhhhh.... wut? :eyebrow:
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Postby EvilDarkMagicians » Mon May 31, 2010 1:16 pm

The Plutonian Empire wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:
Bluth Corporation wrote:
Central World Alliance wrote:Does American football beat regular football and why.


American football is "regular football."

No, American football is American football. Soccer is what Americans call football.

Uhhhh.... wut? :eyebrow:


What's really so hard to get about that?

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Postby The Fanboyists » Mon May 31, 2010 1:20 pm

Dyakovo wrote:
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Central World Alliance wrote:Does American football beat regular football and why.


American football is "regular football."

No, American football is American football. Soccer is what Americans call football.


I think you have that somewhat backwards: "Association Football is what Americans call soccer" seems to be more correct. "Gridiron Football is what Americans call football" also works here.
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Postby Fson » Mon May 31, 2010 1:26 pm

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Barringtonia wrote:American football is all tactics and no skill,

You mean like reliably coordinating throwing a ball to a precise point on the field at a certain time, and another player being at that exact point on the field at that exact time regardless of what obstacles are in his way? Or recognizing how an offensive lineman is moving to block you so you can make sure you avoid him to get to the runner or quarterback?

The point of American football is to take any initiative away from the players, the less they think the better,

Not at all. The called play only holds until the ball is snapped; after that, it's all about reading what the other person is doing and using your brain to adapt from the called play to what actually happens on the field. If you don't make adjustments to how you run your route based on how the cornerback actually covers you, if you don't make adjustments to where you cut upfield to make your run based on how the holes actually open up, if you don't make adjustments to what player you cover based on how the receivers actually progress downfield, you're toast.

All you've managed to demonstrate is that you know zilch about what football actually entails.



That is done in all other major forms of football especially in rugby league and Gaelic and Aussie rules. With much more frequency.
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Postby Fnordgasm 5 » Mon May 31, 2010 1:30 pm

The Fanboyists wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:
Bluth Corporation wrote:
Central World Alliance wrote:Does American football beat regular football and why.


American football is "regular football."

No, American football is American football. Soccer is what Americans call football.


I think you have that somewhat backwards: "Association Football is what Americans call soccer" seems to be more correct. "Gridiron Football is what Americans call football" also works here.



Why does it even matter to these people? They're just bloody names.. Some people call football soccer. The Spanish call it calcio and yet I see no one telling the whole nation of Spain that they're wrong.. How can people be so childish?
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Postby Holy Marsh » Mon May 31, 2010 1:36 pm

Fson wrote:
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Barringtonia wrote:American football is all tactics and no skill,

You mean like reliably coordinating throwing a ball to a precise point on the field at a certain time, and another player being at that exact point on the field at that exact time regardless of what obstacles are in his way? Or recognizing how an offensive lineman is moving to block you so you can make sure you avoid him to get to the runner or quarterback?

The point of American football is to take any initiative away from the players, the less they think the better,

Not at all. The called play only holds until the ball is snapped; after that, it's all about reading what the other person is doing and using your brain to adapt from the called play to what actually happens on the field. If you don't make adjustments to how you run your route based on how the cornerback actually covers you, if you don't make adjustments to where you cut upfield to make your run based on how the holes actually open up, if you don't make adjustments to what player you cover based on how the receivers actually progress downfield, you're toast.

All you've managed to demonstrate is that you know zilch about what football actually entails.



That is done in all other major forms of football especially in rugby league and Gaelic and Aussie rules. With much more frequency.

He wasn't saying that American football required more of it, just that the person who he was quoting was dead wrong.

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Postby The Plutonian Empire » Mon May 31, 2010 1:41 pm

EvilDarkMagicians wrote:
The Plutonian Empire wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:
Bluth Corporation wrote:
Central World Alliance wrote:Does American football beat regular football and why.


American football is "regular football."

No, American football is American football. Soccer is what Americans call football.

Uhhhh.... wut? :eyebrow:


What's really so hard to get about that?

I thought he was trying to say that it was NON-Americans who called soccer football, but made a typo? :unsure:
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Postby Fson » Mon May 31, 2010 1:46 pm

United Dependencies wrote:Somebody on Jolt once made a good post about how American Football fans don't really care wether or not soccer stays or goes so long as they have football. Meanwhile Association football fans always are against American football because they see it as a lesser sport.



http://www.spectator.co.uk/alexmassie/3 ... ccer.thtml

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Postby Fson » Mon May 31, 2010 1:55 pm

Hegstoria wrote:Gaelic is a mans sport, those sissies in FIFA and the NFL should get a real job.



what like half heartedly tacking each other and kicking it out of your hands for meaninless and too frequent goals... yea real fun watched the ulster championship and was glad to see the end so i could watch the challange cup...
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Postby The chrisman union » Mon May 31, 2010 2:21 pm

Unless it involves explosions, neither sport is particularly fun.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon May 31, 2010 2:24 pm

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Upper North Yorkshire wrote:I COULD GIVE A SHIT

ENGLAND ARE GOING TO WIN THE WORLD CUP

FOOTBALL'S COMING HOME


No Brazil will win it. Brazil is the only team to win the World Cup outside of it's home continent. And no African team is string enough to do it. Some African team will go farther than any African team before that, but they won't win.


Ivory Coast is strong enough to win it all, especially in Africa.

Ireland, despite not qualifying, will somehow win. Fuck yeah.
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Postby Amisille » Mon May 31, 2010 2:26 pm

Ifreann wrote:Ireland, despite not qualifying, will somehow win. Fuck yeah.


By storming the pitch and kicking Henry in the crotch repeatedly.

Followed by that stupid french apologetic shrug.

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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Mon May 31, 2010 2:26 pm

I think everyone needs to calm down and have a friendly game of pétanque.
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Postby Upper North Yorkshire » Mon May 31, 2010 7:11 pm

Upper North Yorkshire wrote:to return to the topic its not really a debate as only one is a global sport, american football can only be compared to other regional or local sports (like cheese rolling http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/10199238.stm) sorry


american football is not an international sport, therefore its not fair to compare it to football until its as popular, maybe one day people in china will idolize michael vick (they both kill dogs, dont know if vick eats them) but till then its a unaminous victory for football

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Postby Holy Marsh » Mon May 31, 2010 7:15 pm

Upper North Yorkshire wrote:
Upper North Yorkshire wrote:to return to the topic its not really a debate as only one is a global sport, american football can only be compared to other regional or local sports (like cheese rolling http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/10199238.stm) sorry


american football is not an international sport, therefore its not fair to compare it to football until its as popular, maybe one day people in china will idolize michael vick (they both kill dogs, dont know if vick eats them) but till then its a unaminous victory for football



Nice job quoting yourself.XD Beyond that, appeal to majority=not so good.

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Postby Upper North Yorkshire » Mon May 31, 2010 7:28 pm

Holy Marsh wrote:
Upper North Yorkshire wrote:
Upper North Yorkshire wrote:to return to the topic its not really a debate as only one is a global sport, american football can only be compared to other regional or local sports (like cheese rolling http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/10199238.stm) sorry


american football is not an international sport, therefore its not fair to compare it to football until its as popular, maybe one day people in china will idolize michael vick (they both kill dogs, dont know if vick eats them) but till then its a unaminous victory for football



Nice job quoting yourself.XD Beyond that, appeal to majority=not so good.


that self quote was intentional as i think its an interesting yet unaddressed point that if american football is so amazing (i do follow and enjoy it dont get me wrong, love the giants and dont know why, lol) then why has it failed to spread beyond the US, Canada, Germay and to some extent GB

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Postby Holy Marsh » Mon May 31, 2010 7:30 pm

Upper North Yorkshire wrote:
Holy Marsh wrote:
Upper North Yorkshire wrote:
Upper North Yorkshire wrote:to return to the topic its not really a debate as only one is a global sport, american football can only be compared to other regional or local sports (like cheese rolling http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/10199238.stm) sorry


american football is not an international sport, therefore its not fair to compare it to football until its as popular, maybe one day people in china will idolize michael vick (they both kill dogs, dont know if vick eats them) but till then its a unaminous victory for football



Nice job quoting yourself.XD Beyond that, appeal to majority=not so good.


that self quote was intentional as i think its an interesting yet unaddressed point that if american football is so amazing (i do follow and enjoy it dont get me wrong, love the giants and dont know why, lol) then why has it failed to spread beyond the US, Canada, Germay and to some extent GB


Age of sport? Taste? There are plenty of reasons. I just don't find appeals to popularity or such to be particularly good arguments.

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Postby Upper North Yorkshire » Mon May 31, 2010 7:34 pm

Holy Marsh wrote:
Upper North Yorkshire wrote:
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Upper North Yorkshire wrote:
Upper North Yorkshire wrote:to return to the topic its not really a debate as only one is a global sport, american football can only be compared to other regional or local sports (like cheese rolling http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/10199238.stm) sorry


american football is not an international sport, therefore its not fair to compare it to football until its as popular, maybe one day people in china will idolize michael vick (they both kill dogs, dont know if vick eats them) but till then its a unaminous victory for football



Nice job quoting yourself.XD Beyond that, appeal to majority=not so good.


that self quote was intentional as i think its an interesting yet unaddressed point that if american football is so amazing (i do follow and enjoy it dont get me wrong, love the giants and dont know why, lol) then why has it failed to spread beyond the US, Canada, Germay and to some extent GB


Age of sport? Taste? There are plenty of reasons. I just don't find appeals to popularity or such to be particularly good arguments.


i think popularity does have to come into the debate at some point. also american football isnt that young! until you can host a competitive world cup in a sport its not really international, its local. can a local sport be 'better' than an international one? i dont think so

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Postby Picklepoo » Mon May 31, 2010 7:37 pm

Central World Alliance wrote:Does American football beat regular football and why.

American. Mostly because "Soccer" as we call it in america, isent as voilent.
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