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Postby Galloism » Wed Mar 24, 2021 7:34 pm

Aoigensokyo wrote:
Galloism wrote:QAnon floats theory that stuck ship is trafficking child sex slaves for Hilary Clinton

Still working out how they could all fit in the basement of a pizzeria.


................What?

A lot of people ask that question.
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Postby Andsed » Wed Mar 24, 2021 7:35 pm

Okay so we’re going to need a lot of butter. Like a fuck ton of butter.
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Postby Adab » Wed Mar 24, 2021 7:37 pm

Galloism wrote:QAnon floats theory that stuck ship is trafficking child sex slaves for Hilary Clinton

Still working out how they could all fit in the basement of a pizzeria.


Ah yes, because Hillary Clinton owns a pizzeria in Rotterdam.
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Postby Galloism » Wed Mar 24, 2021 7:39 pm

Adab wrote:
Galloism wrote:QAnon floats theory that stuck ship is trafficking child sex slaves for Hilary Clinton

Still working out how they could all fit in the basement of a pizzeria.


Ah yes, because Hillary Clinton owns a pizzeria in Rotterdam.

Clearly, that is the one hole in the theory.
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Postby Reploid Productions » Wed Mar 24, 2021 7:40 pm

Andsed wrote:Okay so we’re going to need a lot of butter. Like a fuck ton of butter.

A cargo ship full of butter, you say?
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Postby Galloism » Wed Mar 24, 2021 7:42 pm

Twitter post from a few hours ago. There's a bit of a traffic jam in the region.

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Postby Aoigensokyo » Wed Mar 24, 2021 7:44 pm

Galloism wrote:Twitter post from a few hours ago. There's a bit of a traffic jam in the region.

(Image)


Prime targets for pirates and terrorists, sadly.

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Postby Odreria » Wed Mar 24, 2021 7:50 pm

why didn't they just dynamite the ship
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Postby Mancouver » Wed Mar 24, 2021 7:51 pm

Adab wrote:
Galloism wrote:QAnon floats theory that stuck ship is trafficking child sex slaves for Hilary Clinton

Still working out how they could all fit in the basement of a pizzeria.


Ah yes, because Hillary Clinton owns a pizzeria in Rotterdam.


Careful: Bill Clinton once had "poffertjes" in Rotterdam... That's like sweet eenie-meenie-pancakes. Add some butter and sugar,and it's almost like having a plate full of ... DUTCH MICRO-PIZZAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

On a more serious note, Clinton would never have child sex slaves brought to the western world. Even legitimate war refugee children were sent back to the scene of war. Honduras, anyone?

QAnon has all the wrong reasons for despising the Clintons, which sadly (re-)legitimises them to anyone clever enough to understand that a stuck ship is just stuck.

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Postby Mancouver » Wed Mar 24, 2021 7:53 pm

Reploid Productions wrote:
Andsed wrote:Okay so we’re going to need a lot of butter. Like a fuck ton of butter.

A cargo ship full of butter, you say?


I think SPORTA is about to have a freudian overload, with two major long objects and a cargo full of butter...

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Postby Rusozak » Wed Mar 24, 2021 8:39 pm

I hope they've assembled a team of all the best plumbers in the world to unclog this.
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Postby Katganistan » Wed Mar 24, 2021 8:40 pm

Punished UMN wrote:
Immortan Khan wrote:I wonder who the captain of the Ever Given is.

The mate was a mighty sailin' man, the skipper was brave and sure.



That ain't no three-hour tour.

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Postby Parxland » Wed Mar 24, 2021 8:40 pm

Odreria wrote:why didn't they just dynamite the ship


That might be necessary. Call in the US and have a b-52 carpet bomb the channel. :lol:
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Postby Willtime » Wed Mar 24, 2021 10:18 pm

Odreria wrote:why didn't they just dynamite the ship


There is a defensive tactic————sinking ships, blocking waterways, and preventing enemy ships from passing through.
If it floats, it can eventually be moved away.
If it sinks, it will be much more troublesome.

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Postby The Blaatschapen » Thu Mar 25, 2021 12:25 am

Neanderthaland wrote:There is a rational part of me that realizes there's no good, fast solution to this.

But somewhere deep down, I really want to try ramming it with another ship.


Ramming sheep?

:o

Edit: Boskalis got called in I heard. So it's the dutch after all to the rescue. I can predict the future 8)
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Postby Kazumazu » Thu Mar 25, 2021 12:37 am

Galloism wrote:Twitter post from a few hours ago. There's a bit of a traffic jam in the region.

(Image)


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Postby The Archregimancy » Thu Mar 25, 2021 1:46 am

This image sums up Egypt better than anything I could write:

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Major crisis with potential for disrupting global economy and involving very big object?

Send in a single bulldozer, and make sure there are two people to supervise; it will prove sufficient, inshallah.


Remind me one of these days to tell you the story about the major new Egyptian museum where the main galleries were supposed to include objects weighing over 20 tonnes, and over 5 metres high, but about 18 months before the museum opened - before any objects were put in the galleries - someone finally noticed that the heavy good lifts [elevators] only had capacity to carry objects weighing up to 10 tonnes, and with a maximum dimension of 4 metres....

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Postby Shofercia » Thu Mar 25, 2021 2:03 am

Chan Island wrote:Hello NSG. How was your day? Oh, I'm sorry to hear that. Did you maybe fail a driving test? Not get your homework done on time? Posted on here?

Well, don't worry, because you haven't screwed up as much as the Ever Given, a 219079 gross ton container ship originally headed for Rotterdam that is now jammed in the Suez canal, completely blocking world trade through this major artery.

https://twitter.com/jsrailton/status/13 ... 0315513864

https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/de ... EVER_GIVEN

https://gcaptain.com/grounded-mega-ship ... irections/

https://twitter.com/nat_ahoy/status/1374445914169831427

We also have now an image of the ship from the ground. Or water, should I say.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CMxEKHanW62/

The causes of this incident aren't completely clear yet, but it is clear that this mishap has caused hours of major delay and Egypt is scrambling everything they have to try and unblock the canal. They even brought in a digger, a handy little size comparison to give you a sense of the scale of this vessel.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ExMXBRiVkAA ... me=240x240

Now, all joking aside, this is sure to be a major disruption of world trade if this lasts much longer. A lot of trade relies on a 'just-in-time' model of production or delivery, making things more efficient in the process due to savings in storage costs, but a cascading disaster if something happens. Last year's pandemic lockdowns caused a huge drop in world economic growth in part because of the disruption to global trade they represented.

In addition, it raises questions about how we do world trade. At present, container ships tend to be built as large as possible so they can barely squeak through the Panama Canal, another equally important artery in world trade (and I do mean barely- the photos are quite something), and no bigger- but as we can see, as soon as one of these giants goes wrong, problems stack.

One possible solution may be to build alternatives. Over the past couple of years, China has been investing big time into creating alternative routes for trade as part of their Belt and Road initiative. But many western governments and people around the world are skeptical of these moves, questioning the influence China is undoubtably garnering with these vast public works. And some of these proposals can be vast- including one to build a canal through Honduras, a notable much thicker country than Panama.

Perhaps this accident could inspire more ideas about how we move our goods- or even if we want to. After all, protectionist sentiment has been rising in many countries including in the United States and Western Europe.

But I leave the floor to NSG now. What lessons do you think we can learn from this? How do you think Egypt is ever going to get this massive vessel out of its predicament? Should we be building more canals around the world, and if so where and by whom? Does Evergreen, the company that owns the ship, have any questions you want to see answered? Or have you just failed your driving test but are now seeing a world of opportunity raising right before your eyes?

EDIT: Update.

https://www.gac.com/news--media/hot-por ... ed-vessel/

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/su ... r-BB1eUHYa

According to logistics authorities, the ship has now been "partially refloated", and could be shoved aside to allow ships passage. This doesn't mean that everything is quite resolved yet, and notably the Suez Canal authority hasn't issued such a statement yet.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ever_Given

Also, good news, Wikipedia's been updated on the matter.

Including in its what seems to be the main reason for the incident: according to Evergreen, the shipping company, strong winds caused the accident. These winds have not stopped yet, as apparently the over 50 kilometer per hour gales have disrupted the efforts to get the ship out of the predicament too. But... well, this is a ship bigger than my entire apartment building. That's supposed to be sailing in the high seas. A bit of wind surely can't be the only reason this screw up has happened. Right?

EDIT: Update

https://lloydslist.maritimeintelligence ... Ever-Given

Previous reports that the Ever Given was partially refloated have been debunked. The ship is still firmly stuck.


That ship seems to be an ever giving source of traffic :P
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Postby Shofercia » Thu Mar 25, 2021 2:10 am

Kowani wrote:Qanon is now claiming that this ship is used by Hillary Clinton to traffic children

Followers of the QAnon conspiracy theory trying to find meaning behind the blocking of the Suez Canal by a cargo ship claim that the vessel is being used by Hillary Clinton for child sex trafficking.

Some supporters of the radical movement are suggesting the 400-meter-long Ever Given currently stuck in Egypt is being used to abuse children on behalf of the cabal of pedophiles that they believe runs the U.S.

Others claim the children held captive on the ship will be revealed to the world live on camera, justifying their beliefs.In order to jump to this wild conclusion, QAnon supporters point to the vessel's operator, a Taiwan-based shipping company called Evergreen Marine Corporation. Clinton was given the Secret Service codename "Evergreen" when her husband Bill Clinton was president.

The ship's call sign is H3RC—the same three letters as the initials of the 2016 presidential candidate.

On the Telegram encrypted messaging app, a QAnon account with more than 106,000 subscribers wrote: "Suez Canal blocked by huge container ship named Evergreen. Evergreen shipping is most likely a cover for human and sex trafficking. "HRC = Hillary Rodham Clinton. Evergreen = Hillary's Secret Service name. Evergreen Call Sign: H3RC."

Another influential QAnon advocate with more than 53,000 subscribers on the "free speech" social network Gab wrote: "Evergreen is HRC's Secret Service name. It has also been speculated that Evergreen shipping is a front for human trafficking.
"Theory: ship gets stuck, International aid offered, containers opened on live TV."


They could just release the kraken and have said kraken capture the ship and clear the canal. Just saying, krakens can come in handy :P
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Postby The Troas Sector » Thu Mar 25, 2021 2:14 am

The Archregimancy wrote:This image sums up Egypt better than anything I could write:



Major crisis with potential for disrupting global economy and involving very big object?

Send in a single bulldozer, and make sure there are two people to supervise; it will prove sufficient, inshallah.


Remind me one of these days to tell you the story about the major new Egyptian museum where the main galleries were supposed to include objects weighing over 20 tonnes, and over 5 metres high, but about 18 months before the museum opened - before any objects were put in the galleries - someone finally noticed that the heavy good lifts [elevators] only had capacity to carry objects weighing up to 10 tonnes, and with a maximum dimension of 4 metres....

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Postby Shofercia » Thu Mar 25, 2021 2:17 am

Mestovakia wrote:
Heloin wrote:So if the ship is named Ever Given why is Evergreen written on the side.


Evergreen Marine owns the ship.


Looks like their profit-loss margins are slowly becoming Everred :P


Countesia wrote:This might sound DUMB AF, but can't they like, use another container ship to pull it out?


Only at ludicrous speed.


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Christian Confederation wrote:This is why Israel needs to build a Canal on the Other side of the Peninsula. Then the Suez and (Insert Israeli Canal Name) Could Compete. Whall we are at it let's build a canal in north Florida so Texas Oil can leave the gulf Faster, plus Florida would be an island. Canals everywhere.


Why create a new one when there's already a good canal there? They could send in some people to help free the ship, along with some more tugboats and armed escorts from say....Britian and France, and then stay there for a bit longer incase any other ships need helping out.


Need to liberate something? Send in the Marines!




Sometimes you just need a good canalonoscopy




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Postby Palmyrion » Thu Mar 25, 2021 2:17 am

nooo you can't just block maritime trade

haha long boi go sideways in the Suez

But seriously, this is probably going to drive costs of goods up, on top of pandemic-related productivity reductions.
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