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by Kannap » Sun Aug 02, 2020 5:42 am
Luna Amore wrote:Please remember to attend the ritualistic burning of Kannap for heresy
by Katganistan » Sun Aug 02, 2020 8:42 am
Purpelia wrote:Katganistan wrote:And what of the Diebold voting machines that were pre-loaded with votes?
The "hanging chads" of the election in Florida?
Again, if one idea is bad that does not make other ideas any less bad. The heat of an oven does not make the sun less hot.
And yes, I am saying voting machines are a bad idea as well. Shocking, I know. The proper way to vote is via paper ballots and sealed boxes. That way the only ones that can cheat are the people counting. As it should be.There is no reason to delay the election, and no reason to prevent a mail-in vote alongside the in-person vote. There was voter fraud caught with in-person voting.
Voter fraud ALWAYS happens. It happens even here in the civilized world. What matters is making it difficult to do so that it's done less.
It's the same logic as with any other crime. You can't stop it all. But you can reduce the incidence.Mail-in voting has been done since the Civil War, and is commonly done with little to no fraud for Americans who are out of the country for the election, as well as in some states. The claim is unsubstantiated.
Suicide by knife has been done since the stone age. Is still stupid.
by Aureumterra » Sun Aug 02, 2020 8:44 am
Kannap wrote:Solvokina wrote:What do you think? I want him to keep his promise of making america great again. He is a puppet of whoever tells him what to do at this point whether it would be other members of his cabinet or the military
The idea of making America great again implies America was ever great in the past and *wildly gestures arms at history*
by Vassenor » Sun Aug 02, 2020 8:44 am
Aureumterra wrote:Kannap wrote:
The idea of making America great again implies America was ever great in the past and *wildly gestures arms at history*
Not many countries can claim to have defeated global fascism, communism, and monarchism in a short history (250 years isn’t much compared to most countries)
by Atheris » Sun Aug 02, 2020 8:47 am
by Katganistan » Sun Aug 02, 2020 8:48 am
Aureumterra wrote:Kannap wrote:
The idea of making America great again implies America was ever great in the past and *wildly gestures arms at history*
Not many countries can claim to have defeated global fascism, communism, and monarchism in a short history (250 years isn’t much compared to most countries)
by Vassenor » Sun Aug 02, 2020 8:50 am
by Vassenor » Sun Aug 02, 2020 8:51 am
Katganistan wrote:Aureumterra wrote:Not many countries can claim to have defeated global fascism, communism, and monarchism in a short history (250 years isn’t much compared to most countries)
There are facist nations and leaders, communism has not been eradicated, and I am pretty sure there are still kingdoms so...........
by Katganistan » Sun Aug 02, 2020 8:53 am
by Vassenor » Sun Aug 02, 2020 9:00 am
by The Black Forrest » Sun Aug 02, 2020 9:18 am
by Kannap » Sun Aug 02, 2020 9:30 am
Aureumterra wrote:Kannap wrote:
The idea of making America great again implies America was ever great in the past and *wildly gestures arms at history*
Not many countries can claim to have defeated global fascism, communism, and monarchism in a short history (250 years isn’t much compared to most countries)
Luna Amore wrote:Please remember to attend the ritualistic burning of Kannap for heresy
by Kannap » Sun Aug 02, 2020 9:32 am
Luna Amore wrote:Please remember to attend the ritualistic burning of Kannap for heresy
by Organized States » Sun Aug 02, 2020 9:34 am
by Organized States » Sun Aug 02, 2020 9:35 am
Kannap wrote:Vassenor wrote:
Also I'm still waiting for someone to explain when and how America stopped being Great.
Looks like we've got three different ideas circulating around here:
1. America was once great and needs to be made great again.
2. America was never great (but could probably be made a great place to live)
3. America has always been and is great.
by Vassenor » Sun Aug 02, 2020 9:58 am
Kannap wrote:Vassenor wrote:
Also I'm still waiting for someone to explain when and how America stopped being Great.
Looks like we've got three different ideas circulating around here:
1. America was once great and needs to be made great again.
2. America was never great (but could probably be made a great place to live)
3. America has always been and is great.
by Kannap » Sun Aug 02, 2020 10:00 am
Organized States wrote:Kannap wrote:
Looks like we've got three different ideas circulating around here:
1. America was once great and needs to be made great again.
2. America was never great (but could probably be made a great place to live)
3. America has always been and is great.
Your second point is ironically the opinion held by most of the founders of the United States. Hence the term, American Experiment...
Luna Amore wrote:Please remember to attend the ritualistic burning of Kannap for heresy
by Kannap » Sun Aug 02, 2020 10:01 am
Vassenor wrote:Kannap wrote:
Looks like we've got three different ideas circulating around here:
1. America was once great and needs to be made great again.
2. America was never great (but could probably be made a great place to live)
3. America has always been and is great.
For MAGA to make sense as a slogan, America needs to have previously been great and have stopped being great. My question is about at what point this is supposed to have occurred and for what reason.
Luna Amore wrote:Please remember to attend the ritualistic burning of Kannap for heresy
by Organized States » Sun Aug 02, 2020 10:01 am
Vassenor wrote:Kannap wrote:
Looks like we've got three different ideas circulating around here:
1. America was once great and needs to be made great again.
2. America was never great (but could probably be made a great place to live)
3. America has always been and is great.
For MAGA to make sense as a slogan, America needs to have previously been great and have stopped being great. My question is about at what point this is supposed to have occurred and for what reason.
by The Archregimancy » Sun Aug 02, 2020 10:20 am
Organized States wrote:Kannap wrote:
Defeating the Axis powers during WW2 wasn't something we did by ourselves, we don't get sole credit for that.
We did defeat Japan almost entirely by ourselves. While China did suck up a huge amount of Japanese troop strength and resources, the United States did almost all of the heavy lifting and fighting in the Pacific War.
by La Xinga » Sun Aug 02, 2020 10:23 am
Vassenor wrote:Kannap wrote:
Looks like we've got three different ideas circulating around here:
1. America was once great and needs to be made great again.
2. America was never great (but could probably be made a great place to live)
3. America has always been and is great.
For MAGA to make sense as a slogan, America needs to have previously been great and have stopped being great. My question is about at what point this is supposed to have occurred and for what reason.
by Phoenicaea » Sun Aug 02, 2020 10:29 am
by Fluvannia » Sun Aug 02, 2020 11:15 am
Organized States wrote:Vassenor wrote:
For MAGA to make sense as a slogan, America needs to have previously been great and have stopped being great. My question is about at what point this is supposed to have occurred and for what reason.
America is a great country to live in.
Sure, we have our problems and we're working on correcting them, but honestly, for most of the Trump Crowd, the moment America stopped being great was when Reagan left office. I've seen an almost absurd devotion to this weirdly aggressive version of 80s Conservatism that causes most Trumpers to rally behind him.
by Shofercia » Sun Aug 02, 2020 11:18 am
New haven america wrote:Shofercia wrote:1. Fairly certain that claiming that asking Congress a mere question is unconstitutional is the clear cut example of idiotic criticism of President Trump; you're right, it was very easy to criticize his question as dumb, idiotic, moronic, etc, but Vass chose to criticize it as "unconstitutional" thus turning a legitimate criticism into an idiotic one
2. And when Bad Orange Man was talking about Obama's Birth Certificate, he was also acting like an idiot
1. https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/08/28/tan-suit-scandal-obama-trump/?utm_source=reddit.com
2. https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=489272&p=37476814#p37476814
3. And he wasn't acting like an idiot when asking if he could delay elections because...?
Shofercia wrote:Fairly certain that claiming that asking Congress a mere question is unconstitutional is the clear cut example of idiotic criticism of President Trump; you're right, it was very easy to criticize his question as dumb, idiotic, moronic, etc, but Vass chose to criticize it as "unconstitutional" thus turning a legitimate criticism into an idiotic one
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:Shofercia wrote:
Trump's actual tweet:
Do you see those question marks in the end Vass? In the English language, the question marks mean that he was asking, since the question mark denotes an inquiry or question, not a demand.
Yeah, I've wondered about that. I know what a question mark means. Three of them though?
You seem to speak Trump's language, perhaps you can explain why Trump seems to be casting doubt on his own question, and then casting doubt on that.
Also, why is his demand/request of Congress public? Why doesn't he pick up the phone to the Congressional leaders, ask them, and if the answer is "no" never say a word about it? Seems like what an adult would do.
The Archregimancy wrote:Shofercia wrote:"Orange Man Bad" is a phrase used to point out idiotic criticism of the President, like claiming that him asking a mere question is totally unconstitutional.
I still don't understand why you keep flogging this particular dead horse.
As previously noted, Vassenor was originally corrected on page 11 of this thread with clear reference to the relevant clauses of the US Constitution.
Vassenor then implicitly acknowledged her error on page 12 of the thread, in a reply to you. It would have been better if, for clarity, that acknowledgement had been made a bit more explicitly, but all the same she clearly realises she made a mistake with the original post.
Since then, though, you've spent 10 pages of this thread slamming Vassenor for a mistake that had already been corrected and which she quickly acknowledged.
I'm no great fan of Vassenor's posting style (as she can likely attest), but this does strike me as a particularly pointless use of time and energy even by the mighty standards of NSG.
by Panslavicland » Sun Aug 02, 2020 6:08 pm
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