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by Lower Nubia » Thu Jul 30, 2020 9:23 am
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by Lower Nubia » Thu Jul 30, 2020 9:24 am
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by Lower Nubia » Thu Jul 30, 2020 9:25 am
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by The Archregimancy » Thu Jul 30, 2020 9:32 am
The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing Senators.
The Congress may determine the Time of chusing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States.
by San Lumen » Thu Jul 30, 2020 9:48 am
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by Esternial » Thu Jul 30, 2020 9:57 am
by Aureumterra » Thu Jul 30, 2020 10:00 am
Esternial wrote:Hurdergaryp wrote:Voting by mail has been done before and actually works. Any civilized nation can do it.
I've read an article earlier this year that the Belgian government is looking into finding a way to let people vote online.
Would be a significant step forward if it can be done securely and reliably, I reckon.
by Outer Sparta » Thu Jul 30, 2020 10:01 am
Esternial wrote:Hurdergaryp wrote:Voting by mail has been done before and actually works. Any civilized nation can do it.
I've read an article earlier this year that the Belgian government is looking into finding a way to let people vote online.
Would be a significant step forward if it can be done securely and reliably, I reckon.
by Lower Nubia » Thu Jul 30, 2020 10:01 am
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by G-Tech Corporation » Thu Jul 30, 2020 10:01 am
Esternial wrote:Hurdergaryp wrote:Voting by mail has been done before and actually works. Any civilized nation can do it.
I've read an article earlier this year that the Belgian government is looking into finding a way to let people vote online.
Would be a significant step forward if it can be done securely and reliably, I reckon.
by Esternial » Thu Jul 30, 2020 10:05 am
G-Tech Corporation wrote:Esternial wrote:I've read an article earlier this year that the Belgian government is looking into finding a way to let people vote online.
Would be a significant step forward if it can be done securely and reliably, I reckon.
That’s the rub, methinks. I work in public policy, and there’s a relevant xkcd that comes to mind.
https://xkcd.com/2030/
by G-Tech Corporation » Thu Jul 30, 2020 10:09 am
Esternial wrote:G-Tech Corporation wrote:
That’s the rub, methinks. I work in public policy, and there’s a relevant xkcd that comes to mind.
https://xkcd.com/2030/
Seems I'm a particularly naïve software engineer >.>
by Esternial » Thu Jul 30, 2020 10:26 am
G-Tech Corporation wrote:Esternial wrote:Seems I'm a particularly naïve software engineer >.>
Granted, not something I know firsthand. That’s not my department anymore. But I did work with our local electoral department for half a decade, and they would basically always fear-laugh whenever one of our local representatives mooted the idea.
by Shofercia » Thu Jul 30, 2020 10:27 am
Vassenor wrote:So Trump is demanding a thing that the Constitution does not permit based on an entirely baseless concern.
Valrifell wrote:Aclion wrote:Mail in votes are twice as likely to be spoiled, and that just included the ones that arrive for counting. We have no idea how many are "lost" in transit.
Mail-in ballots are unmarked, you don't know who the voter voted for so purposeful spoilering of ballots by postal worker would be... extremely difficult if not impossible. That's not even to mention that the USPS is fairly reliable in getting things to where they need to go, only about 3% of mail is eternally lost in the system and that's including packages and such. I'd imagine that it's lower for paper mail.
Paper ballots, by the way, are already postmarked so there'd have to be something extraordinary for it to get lost by accident.
Greed and Death wrote:Valrifell wrote:
Mail-in ballots are unmarked, you don't know who the voter voted for so purposeful spoilering of ballots by postal worker would be... extremely difficult if not impossible. That's not even to mention that the USPS is fairly reliable in getting things to where they need to go, only about 3% of mail is eternally lost in the system and that's including packages and such. I'd imagine that it's lower for paper mail.
Paper ballots, by the way, are already postmarked so there'd have to be something extraordinary for it to get lost by accident.
The Intelligent Mail Barcode will let employees see where a postal ballot originated from. It would be easy to lose some of the ballots from conservative or liberal areas. Union workers cannot be trusted in this regard. Maybe have the post office ran by Special Collections And Banding Squad ( SCABS for short) until after the election would be a reasonable compromise.
by Vassenor » Thu Jul 30, 2020 10:29 am
Shofercia wrote:Vassenor wrote:So Trump is demanding a thing that the Constitution does not permit based on an entirely baseless concern.
Would you be so kind as to show me where that's in the Constitution, i.e. where the Constitution states that the vote must take place in November? You wouldn't just be making stuff up when it comes to President Trump, would you Vass?
by Thermodolia » Thu Jul 30, 2020 10:29 am
Shofercia wrote:Vassenor wrote:So Trump is demanding a thing that the Constitution does not permit based on an entirely baseless concern.
Would you be so kind as to show me where that's in the Constitution, i.e. where the Constitution states that the vote must take place in November? You wouldn't just be making stuff up when it comes to President Trump, would you Vass?
by Celritannia » Thu Jul 30, 2020 10:32 am
Thermodolia wrote:Shofercia wrote:
Would you be so kind as to show me where that's in the Constitution, i.e. where the Constitution states that the vote must take place in November? You wouldn't just be making stuff up when it comes to President Trump, would you Vass?
The constitution doesn’t say that the vote has to take place in November however it does say that only congress has the power to set the date of election
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by Shofercia » Thu Jul 30, 2020 10:32 am
The Archregimancy wrote:San Lumen wrote:Their terms would expire at noon on January 3rd. You'd have no congress.
Also not entirely true.
The US Constitution sets different mechanisms for the elections of the legislature and the election of the president.
Article I, section 2 states that:The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing Senators.
In contrast, for the executive, Article II, Clause 4 states that (as quoted earlier):The Congress may determine the Time of chusing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States.
So the power to arrange for congressional elections rests entirely with the states separately from the date for choosing presidential electors (ie, presidential elections). It's solely a matter of custom and convenience that those elections are held on the same day.
Since it's highly unlikely that all states would simultaneously agree to delay their congressional elections if Washington political shenanigans lead to a delay of the presidential election, you would still have a Congress seated on the 3rd of January regardless of what happens to the presidential election.
At which point Amendment XX, Clause 2 comes into play.
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by Celritannia » Thu Jul 30, 2020 10:34 am
Shofercia wrote:The Archregimancy wrote:
Also not entirely true.
The US Constitution sets different mechanisms for the elections of the legislature and the election of the president.
Article I, section 2 states that:
In contrast, for the executive, Article II, Clause 4 states that (as quoted earlier):
So the power to arrange for congressional elections rests entirely with the states separately from the date for choosing presidential electors (ie, presidential elections). It's solely a matter of custom and convenience that those elections are held on the same day.
Since it's highly unlikely that all states would simultaneously agree to delay their congressional elections if Washington political shenanigans lead to a delay of the presidential election, you would still have a Congress seated on the 3rd of January regardless of what happens to the presidential election.
At which point Amendment XX, Clause 2 comes into play.
^ That. Meaning that President Trump can only delay the election, until his term's up. After that, he won't be president, unless he runs and wins in November.
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