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Of All The Parties With 50+ Electoral Votes of Ballot Access, Which Party Do You Prefer?

Republicans
73
23%
Democrats
111
35%
Libertarians
24
8%
Greens
59
19%
Constitution Party
12
4%
Alliance Party
4
1%
Socialism and Liberation
31
10%
 
Total votes : 314

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Postby Kannap » Sat Aug 08, 2020 4:58 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
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I only skimmed the article in question, but it seems like they're distinguishing the difference between real property and personal property, referring to the former as private property - which real property can be, but it can also be public - and the latter as possessions, which I would consider a reasonable synonym. Though, again, I only skimmed the article so I can't be sure - nor can I tell you whether they distinguish them well or not.

But, there is a different between private and personal property, whether the article in question gets the difference right or not.

The real question is what relevance any of this has to the 2020 presidential election.


Fair, I replied before perusing the last page, didn't realize it'd turn into a threadjack pissing contest.

Returning to topic, when do we think Biden is going to announce his running mate?
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Postby Dresderstan » Sat Aug 08, 2020 4:59 pm

Kannap wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:The real question is what relevance any of this has to the 2020 presidential election.


Fair, I replied before perusing the last page, didn't realize it'd turn into a threadjack pissing contest.

Returning to topic, when do we think Biden is going to announce his running mate?

Before the 14th, that's my bet.

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Postby Telconi » Sat Aug 08, 2020 5:00 pm

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It's not, perhaps you should spend less time consuming communist fables and more time consuming english textbooks?


I only skimmed the article in question, but it seems like they're distinguishing the difference between real property and personal property, referring to the former as private property - which real property can be, but it can also be public - and the latter as possessions, which I would consider a reasonable synonym. Though, again, I only skimmed the article so I can't be sure - nor can I tell you whether they distinguish them well or not.

But, there is a different between private and personal property, whether the article in question gets the difference right or not.


The general difference is that under collectivist theory "Private property" extends to all things that have economic value, so for example, my tractor is not "real property" under common law definitions, but under the theory outlined it would be "Private property" and thus subject to being stolen.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sat Aug 08, 2020 5:01 pm

Kannap wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:The real question is what relevance any of this has to the 2020 presidential election.


Fair, I replied before perusing the last page, didn't realize it'd turn into a threadjack pissing contest.

You'll learn that certain names are synonymous with 'threadjack.'
Kannap wrote:Returning to topic, when do we think Biden is going to announce his running mate?

When he needs the headlines. The Veepstakes has kept him in the news cycle without him having to do much at all. When he needs a punch, he'll release a name. If nothing occurs between now and the virtual convention then he'll Sarah Palin that shit and use the announcement to boost the convention. I wouldn't go to the mat on it, but I think he decided on this shit a long time ago.
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Postby Shrillland » Sat Aug 08, 2020 5:04 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Kannap wrote:
Fair, I replied before perusing the last page, didn't realize it'd turn into a threadjack pissing contest.

You'll learn that certain names are synonymous with 'threadjack.'
Kannap wrote:Returning to topic, when do we think Biden is going to announce his running mate?

When he needs the headlines. The Veepstakes has kept him in the news cycle without him having to do much at all. When he needs a punch, he'll release a name. If nothing occurs between now and the virtual convention then he'll Sarah Palin that shit and use the announcement to boost the convention. I wouldn't go to the mat on it, but I think he decided on this shit a long time ago.


Most likely. And despite some of the reports talking about how Whitmer's visited him for the interviews, my money's still on Harris getting the nod.
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Postby Cordel One » Sat Aug 08, 2020 5:06 pm

Dresderstan wrote:
Kannap wrote:
Fair, I replied before perusing the last page, didn't realize it'd turn into a threadjack pissing contest.

Returning to topic, when do we think Biden is going to announce his running mate?

Before the 14th, that's my bet.

I say it will happen at the end of April the beginning of May so the it won't seem so random.

Telconi wrote:The general difference is that under collectivist theory "Private property" extends to all things that have economic value, so for example, my tractor is not "real property" under common law definitions, but under the theory outlined it would be "Private property" and thus subject to being stolen.

It's just a term used to differentiate what communists don't want to seize from what they want to seize. We got really sidetracked from the thread, so let's just go back to talking about the election.

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sat Aug 08, 2020 5:07 pm

Shrillland wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:You'll learn that certain names are synonymous with 'threadjack.'

When he needs the headlines. The Veepstakes has kept him in the news cycle without him having to do much at all. When he needs a punch, he'll release a name. If nothing occurs between now and the virtual convention then he'll Sarah Palin that shit and use the announcement to boost the convention. I wouldn't go to the mat on it, but I think he decided on this shit a long time ago.


Most likely. And despite some of the reports talking about how Whitmer's visited him for the interviews, my money's still on Harris getting the nod.

Whitmer is more in line with my initial prediction of 'someone I'll have to look up when he announces it.' Outside that off the cuff prediction, I have no real insight. I'm also not as convinced it matters all that much. I don't really recall the VP pick being that big a factor. Even Palin didn't sink McCain as much as the financial crisis did.
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Postby Kannap » Sat Aug 08, 2020 5:07 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Kannap wrote:
Fair, I replied before perusing the last page, didn't realize it'd turn into a threadjack pissing contest.

You'll learn that certain names are synonymous with 'threadjack.'


Oh, I'm well aware, I'm not new to NSG. Nor do I forget people when they disappear for a short break.

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Kannap wrote:Returning to topic, when do we think Biden is going to announce his running mate?

When he needs the headlines. The Veepstakes has kept him in the news cycle without him having to do much at all. When he needs a punch, he'll release a name. If nothing occurs between now and the virtual convention then he'll Sarah Palin that shit and use the announcement to boost the convention. I wouldn't go to the mat on it, but I think he decided on this shit a long time ago.


The longer he takes, the more I fear its Kamala Harris.
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Postby Kowani » Sat Aug 08, 2020 5:08 pm

Kannap wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:You'll learn that certain names are synonymous with 'threadjack.'


Oh, I'm well aware, I'm not new to NSG. Nor do I forget people when they disappear for a short break.

Cannot think of a name wrote:When he needs the headlines. The Veepstakes has kept him in the news cycle without him having to do much at all. When he needs a punch, he'll release a name. If nothing occurs between now and the virtual convention then he'll Sarah Palin that shit and use the announcement to boost the convention. I wouldn't go to the mat on it, but I think he decided on this shit a long time ago.


The longer he takes, the more I fear its Kamala Harris.

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Postby Kannap » Sat Aug 08, 2020 5:08 pm

Cordel One wrote:
Dresderstan wrote:Before the 14th, that's my bet.

I say it will happen at the end of April the beginning of May so the it won't seem so random.


Er, what?
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Postby Cordel One » Sat Aug 08, 2020 5:14 pm

Kannap wrote:
Cordel One wrote:I say it will happen at the end of April the beginning of May so the it won't seem so random.


Er, what?

People generally like to make announcements at the beginning or the end of a month to make it seem more scheduled. It's almost like the inverse of asking for a random number between 1 and 10, no one ever chooses 1 or 10 because they don't seem random enough (they usually pick 7). It doesn't make much sense when you think about it, but psychology doesn't always make sense.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sat Aug 08, 2020 5:19 pm

Kannap wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:You'll learn that certain names are synonymous with 'threadjack.'


Oh, I'm well aware, I'm not new to NSG. Nor do I forget people when they disappear for a short break.

I do that last part constantly. But it's highlander shit, I can't go about remembering every self absorbed keyboard warrior, I'd need a chart after all this time.
Kannap wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:When he needs the headlines. The Veepstakes has kept him in the news cycle without him having to do much at all. When he needs a punch, he'll release a name. If nothing occurs between now and the virtual convention then he'll Sarah Palin that shit and use the announcement to boost the convention. I wouldn't go to the mat on it, but I think he decided on this shit a long time ago.


The longer he takes, the more I fear its Kamala Harris.

I'm not really sure what she brings to the ticket. Obviously police reform is in the zeitgeist but once you get into that she's not really tops on the list for people who think that's an issue. And it's not like California is doing a backwards Texas where they think they need to bolster us.

But as far as I'm concerned the Veepstakes are solved with a game of chicken bingo or something.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sat Aug 08, 2020 5:20 pm

Cordel One wrote:
Kannap wrote:
Er, what?

People generally like to make announcements at the beginning or the end of a month to make it seem more scheduled. It's almost like the inverse of asking for a random number between 1 and 10, no one ever chooses 1 or 10 because they don't seem random enough (they usually pick 7). It doesn't make much sense when you think about it, but psychology doesn't always make sense.

So you're saying he'll announce his VP pick three to four months after the inauguration?
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Postby Cordel One » Sat Aug 08, 2020 5:21 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Kannap wrote:
Oh, I'm well aware, I'm not new to NSG. Nor do I forget people when they disappear for a short break.

I do that last part constantly. But it's highlander shit, I can't go about remembering every self absorbed keyboard warrior, I'd need a chart after all this time.

This is NSG, we're all self absorbed keyboard warriors.
Cannot think of a name wrote:
Cordel One wrote:People generally like to make announcements at the beginning or the end of a month to make it seem more scheduled. It's almost like the inverse of asking for a random number between 1 and 10, no one ever chooses 1 or 10 because they don't seem random enough (they usually pick 7). It doesn't make much sense when you think about it, but psychology doesn't always make sense.

So you're saying he'll announce his VP pick three to four months after the inauguration?

No, by August I mean this month.

Wait, I said April. I'm an idiot. This is what I get for not thinking much when writing half my posts lmao
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Postby Kannap » Sat Aug 08, 2020 5:23 pm

Cordel One wrote:
Kannap wrote:
Er, what?

People generally like to make announcements at the beginning or the end of a month to make it seem more scheduled. It's almost like the inverse of asking for a random number between 1 and 10, no one ever chooses 1 or 10 because they don't seem random enough (they usually pick 7). It doesn't make much sense when you think about it, but psychology doesn't always make sense.


So he's gonna do it at the end of April... 2021? Or are we all gonna get a TARDIS and go back in time four months?
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sat Aug 08, 2020 5:25 pm

Cordel One wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:I do that last part constantly. But it's highlander shit, I can't go about remembering every self absorbed keyboard warrior, I'd need a chart after all this time.

This is NSG, we're all self absorbed keyboard warriors.

So you see the difficulty.
Cordel One wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:So you're saying he'll announce his VP pick three to four months after the inauguration?

No, by August I mean this month.

Wait, I said April. I'm an idiot.

Figured it was a gaff, but it was pretty entertaining considering how long it's already taking.
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Postby Cordel One » Sat Aug 08, 2020 5:25 pm

Kannap wrote:
Cordel One wrote:People generally like to make announcements at the beginning or the end of a month to make it seem more scheduled. It's almost like the inverse of asking for a random number between 1 and 10, no one ever chooses 1 or 10 because they don't seem random enough (they usually pick 7). It doesn't make much sense when you think about it, but psychology doesn't always make sense.


So he's gonna do it at the end of April... 2021? Or are we all gonna get a TARDIS and go back in time four months?

No, I was multitasking and kinda mixed up August and April.

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Cordel One wrote:This is NSG, we're all self absorbed keyboard warriors.

So you see the difficulty.
Cordel One wrote:
No, by August I mean this month.

Wait, I said April. I'm an idiot.

Figured it was a gaff, but it was pretty entertaining considering how long it's already taking.

At this rate maybe it will be post-election lol
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Postby Farnhamia » Sat Aug 08, 2020 5:44 pm

Cordel One wrote:
Kannap wrote:
So he's gonna do it at the end of April... 2021? Or are we all gonna get a TARDIS and go back in time four months?

No, I was multitasking and kinda mixed up August and April.

Cannot think of a name wrote:So you see the difficulty.

Figured it was a gaff, but it was pretty entertaining considering how long it's already taking.

At this rate maybe it will be post-election lol

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sat Aug 08, 2020 5:45 pm

Cordel One wrote:
Kannap wrote:
So he's gonna do it at the end of April... 2021? Or are we all gonna get a TARDIS and go back in time four months?

No, I was multitasking and kinda mixed up August and April.

Cannot think of a name wrote:So you see the difficulty.

Figured it was a gaff, but it was pretty entertaining considering how long it's already taking.

At this rate maybe it will be post-election lol

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Postby Jedi Council » Sat Aug 08, 2020 6:24 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Kannap wrote:
Oh, I'm well aware, I'm not new to NSG. Nor do I forget people when they disappear for a short break.

I do that last part constantly. But it's highlander shit, I can't go about remembering every self absorbed keyboard warrior, I'd need a chart after all this time.
Kannap wrote:

The longer he takes, the more I fear its Kamala Harris.

I'm not really sure what she brings to the ticket. Obviously police reform is in the zeitgeist but once you get into that she's not really tops on the list for people who think that's an issue. And it's not like California is doing a backwards Texas where they think they need to bolster us.

But as far as I'm concerned the Veepstakes are solved with a game of chicken bingo or something.

Harris primarily brings her attack dog, prosecutorial style. That's her biggest selling feature, in my opinion, as it allows Biden to remain happy Grandpa Joe most of the time.

Other choices would make more sense geographically, specifically Whitmer or Demings, but there is pretty limited evidence for the Veep fundamentally shifting the race.

That being said, apart from electability, I think we know Biden is searching for his Biden, and it's entirely possible that behind the scenes, him and Kamala get along. He wants someone he thinks he can trust and who would work hard and work well with the team he already has assembled. If that's Kamala, then electoral concerns are probably secondary.
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Polls are now closed in Hawaii.
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Shrillland wrote:Polls are now closed in Hawaii.

Anything exciting? Haven’t followed Hawaii much since it’s such a blue state

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Postby Shrillland » Sat Aug 08, 2020 8:12 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Shrillland wrote:Polls are now closed in Hawaii.

Anything exciting? Haven’t followed Hawaii much since it’s such a blue state


Only thing of some interest is who'll replace Gabbard in Hawaiian Islands, but Kai Kahele's got that mostly wrapped up. Only three races altogether tonight and two more tomorrow from our other island of interest, and that's only getting the full treatment since PR's having the statehood vote in November.

EDIT: Oops...polls don't close until 6 PM HST/1 AM EDT, sorry about that.
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