R.I.P.

[Diarcesia]

Firstly, who the fuck gets offended over people expressing their sympathies because you don't like the origins of the way they did it? Not even the way they did it, but the fact that it came from/was popularised by a particular group? Sounds like you're just trying to get offended over anything tbh.

Secondly, what alternative do you suggest to RIP? If you're gonna tell us we can't use a particular term at least offer us an alternative.

I wonder if OP would be fine with "Press F to Pay Respects"

[Katganistan]

What alternative did they have in mind? "Rest easy?" That sounds.. like something you'd say to calm someone down. "Rest their soul?" It sounds like something you'd say to wish somebody good health/fortune. "Die?" ...Yes, I can't imagine that going wrong. Guaranteed not to cause people to stare like they've seen somebody grow a second head.

So what alternative phrase do people have in mind? Google is useless. I require information!

"My deepest condolences" works.

[The JELLEAIN Republic]

People celebrate that aren’t Christian.

People that aren’t Christian have been prayed for before.

Like Christmas, RIP has been detached from religion for many people.


That being said, doesn't hurt to respects people’s wishes in specific circumstances.



(Resist in protest... ? Found one!)

[Grenartia]

I'm pretty sure its news to most people that "RIP" is exclusively Christian. At face value, its meaning carries no inherent Christian connotation, and any Christian connotations it does have are watered down by the widespread perception that it isn't inherently specific to any religion.

Like, if someone asks me not to say it for someone they were close to, I won't, but in the absence of any better term, I'm going to default to it.

[The South Rim]

K, guys, hi. It's Gaj, the mastermind behind Omonros and all my innumerable and ever-increasing nations. I made this thread to start a discussion and so we can share ideas and opinions because I remembered a post I saw on Tumblr a few months ago. If y'all could stop calling me 'professionally offended' and the like i would be very pleased. These aren't my personal views, I just wanted to see what people thought about the matter. Thanks.

Firstly, who the ---- gets offended over people expressing their sympathies because you don't like the origins of the way they did it? Not even the way they did it, but the fact that it came from/was popularised by a particular group? Sounds like you're just trying to get offended over anything tbh.

Secondly, what alternative do you suggest to RIP? If you're gonna tell us we can't use a particular term at least offer us an alternative.

I wonder if OP would be fine with "Press F to Pay Respects"

If that isn't said at my funeral I'm crawling out of that casket and dragging every one of you down with me, mark my words.

[Purpelia]

It's definitively not a christian thing but an English language thing. I speak more than 5 languages all from nations with a christian tradition and English is the only one I know off that has a phrase like that or even to the same effect. Like you can't even translate it to the others. If you do it word for word (rest = ... in = ... peace = ...) you basically end up with a meaningless phrase. And there is no idiom that matches the situation either.

[Risottia]

I think that it's entirely normal for people to offer their sympathies for recently deceased people with other phrases that just "Rest in peace". No debate or controversy.

By the way, a Requiescat In Pace is rather inclusive. There's no mention of a specific religion or religious attitude, not even an explicit hint at resurrection, reincarnation, judgment, doom or similar stuff.

[Risottia]

It's definitively not a christian thing but an English language thing. I speak more than 5 languages all from nations with a christian tradition and English is the only one I know off that has a phrase like that or even to the same effect. Like you can't even translate it to the others. If you do it word for word (rest = ... in = ... peace = ...) you basically end up with a meaningless phrase. And there is no idiom that matches the situation either.

Latin: Requiescat in pace
Italian: Riposi in pace

I guess you could learn some other language.

[Risottia]

Firstly, who the fuck gets offended over people expressing their sympathies because you don't like the origins of the way they did it? Not even the way they did it, but the fact that it came from/was popularised by a particular group? Sounds like you're just trying to get offended over anything tbh.

Secondly, what alternative do you suggest to RIP? If you're gonna tell us we can't use a particular term at least offer us an alternative.

I wonder if OP would be fine with "Press F to Pay Respects"

Press Alt+F4 to pay respects.

[The Alma Mater]

I think that it's entirely normal for people to offer their sympathies for recently deceased people with other phrases that just "Rest in peace". No debate or controversy.

By the way, a Requiescat In Pace is rather inclusive. There's no mention of a specific religion or religious attitude, not even an explicit hint at resurrection, reincarnation, judgment, doom or similar stuff.

I does exclude the aforemention people who want to go to Valhalla

In all honesty, I do take issue with people saying "RIP" after someone died - but that is because it is so generic. A meaningless and trite phrase one says because one does not really care but is expected to say something.
It somewhat being related to christianity is not an issue.

[Risottia]

By the way, a Requiescat In Pace is rather inclusive. There's no mention of a specific religion or religious attitude, not even an explicit hint at resurrection, reincarnation, judgment, doom or similar stuff.

I does exclude the aforemention people who want to go to Valhalla

Well, I'd say that Valhalla counts as R&R, so there's rest and beer-induced relaxation.

[Purpelia]

It's definitively not a christian thing but an English language thing. I speak more than 5 languages all from nations with a christian tradition and English is the only one I know off that has a phrase like that or even to the same effect. Like you can't even translate it to the others. If you do it word for word (rest = ... in = ... peace = ...) you basically end up with a meaningless phrase. And there is no idiom that matches the situation either.

Latin: Requiescat in pace
Italian: Riposi in pace

I guess you could learn some other language.

Guess I was wrong. Now that you have me intrigued however I must ask is it a commonly used phrase in common speech like RIP is?
If so it does make you wonder if the two are actually related given that the phrase seems to have jumped to english but skipped German and a couple others.

[Ethel mermania]

K, guys, hi. It's Gaj, the mastermind behind Omonros and all my innumerable and ever-increasing nations. I made this thread to start a discussion and so we can share ideas and opinions because I remembered a post I saw on Tumblr a few months ago. If y'all could stop calling me 'professionally offended' and the like i would be very pleased. These aren't my personal views, I just wanted to see what people thought about the matter. Thanks.

I wonder if OP would be fine with "Press F to Pay Respects"

If that isn't said at my funeral I'm crawling out of that casket and dragging every one of you down with me, mark my words.

So you posted this anti semitic bullshit? Wonderful.

As arch posted from wikipedia's.

ITS FUCKING HEBREW FROM BEFORE THE TIME CHRIST WAS BORN

[Grenartia]

K, guys, hi. It's Gaj, the mastermind behind Omonros and all my innumerable and ever-increasing nations. I made this thread to start a discussion and so we can share ideas and opinions because I remembered a post I saw on Tumblr a few months ago. If y'all could stop calling me 'professionally offended' and the like i would be very pleased. These aren't my personal views, I just wanted to see what people thought about the matter. Thanks.

If that isn't said at my funeral I'm crawling out of that casket and dragging every one of you down with me, mark my words.

So you posted this anti semitic bullshit? Wonderful.

As arch posted from wikipedia's.

ITS FUCKING HEBREW FROM BEFORE THE TIME CHRIST WAS BORN

Ok, so, a quick question, and I genuinely mean this. Where's the anti-semitic part? I honestly don't see it.

[Radiatia]

Good god, people really will find any excuse to be offended in this day and age, won't they?

I'm not Christian, and I'll quite happily use 'rest in peace'.

If people really are getting upset over the phrase, I'm quite happy to use my decidedly less catchy alternative, "I'm glad they're dead" (I.G.T.D.)

[Great Nortend]

The Latin term 'Vale' is often used in Australia nowadays. I'm not sure when it became popular though.

[Valentine Z]

Heavy from TF2? "You're dead. No big surprise."

Heh, I'm kidding. I won't use anything like that IRL... Unless someone wants me to?

And of course, F to pay respects. I love how widespread that became.

[Dumb Ideologies]

So you posted this anti semitic bullshit? Wonderful.

As arch posted from wikipedia's.

ITS FUCKING HEBREW FROM BEFORE THE TIME CHRIST WAS BORN

Ok, so, a quick question, and I genuinely mean this. Where's the anti-semitic part? I honestly don't see it.

I imagine it's a meta-point, not the strict "internal" argumentation. By even debating it we're accepting the rather silly premise that a significant portion of Jews are bothered about this at all, and that it's taking up a significant part of their mind space compared to the bit where people from their community were killed for being Jews. It's a weird discursive move for the talking point to not be the incident, but the Jews themselves and their "problematic" reaction. May well have been no ill-intent, but I can understand why a Jew might be a bit suspicious of that move.

[Thermodolia]

K, guys, hi. It's Gaj, the mastermind behind Omonros and all my innumerable and ever-increasing nations. I made this thread to start a discussion and so we can share ideas and opinions because I remembered a post I saw on Tumblr a few months ago. If y'all could stop calling me 'professionally offended' and the like i would be very pleased. These aren't my personal views, I just wanted to see what people thought about the matter. Thanks.

There’s your problem then you decided that Tumblr represents the majority or even a very small minority instead of what they actually believe. Tumblr is full of people who are professionally offended don’t take anything there as fact

[Servilis]

I believe we've all heard the phrase 'Rest in Peace' before, no? Recently, I've seen some-as the youths say-'hot takes' on the phrase.
Rest in Peace-or RIP as it's more commonly used-is in fact a Christian term and seemingly coined by Catholics in the fourth century (300-399 AD) and then onward. Now it's used everywhere from church liturgy to facebook posts about deceased goldfish-but I've noticed an interesting opinion-due to its origins, many people who are not a Christian are now asking for alternative phrases to be used for the dead of their faith. I originally saw this on a thread on Tumblr in which people were saying 'Rest in Peace' to the victims of a tragic event in which a Jewish synagogue was attacked in Texas (i think?) and several worshippers had died. Members of the Jewish community were asking for those expressing condolences to kindly refrain from using 'Rest in Peace' and instead an alternative.

So, what do you think? Should we take this to heart or is it just people 'being sensitive?' Do you use Rest in Peace? If not, what are alternatives you use? For those who are not Christian, what do you use? Yould you be comfortable with people using the phrase after you die?

Personally, I would appreciate respecting my faith and using an alternative but I wouldn't take it as a serious offense if someone used it against my name, but I might silently brood with anger in my grave.

A few sources on the origins, meanings, and uses of RIP as well as some opinions on the phrase:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rest_in_peace#History
^{its a good source in a pinch shut up}
https://www.dictionary.com/e/pop-culture/rest-in-peace/
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/oct/20/rip-hashtag-lynda-bellingham

Requeiscat in pace?
wait no that still means rest in peace doesnt it

[Servilis]

K, guys, hi. It's Gaj, the mastermind behind Omonros and all my innumerable and ever-increasing nations. I made this thread to start a discussion and so we can share ideas and opinions because I remembered a post I saw on Tumblr a few months ago. If y'all could stop calling me 'professionally offended' and the like i would be very pleased. These aren't my personal views, I just wanted to see what people thought about the matter. Thanks.

There’s your problem then you decided that Tumblr represents the majority or even a very small minority instead of what they actually believe. Tumblr is full of people who are professionally offended don’t take anything there as fact

"oh no people get angry when i do awful stuff. how irrational"

[Servilis]

What about "So ends a journey, so begins anew"

[Great Nortend]

Latin: Requiescat in pace
Italian: Riposi in pace

I guess you could learn some other language.

Guess I was wrong. Now that you have me intrigued however I must ask is it a commonly used phrase in common speech like RIP is?
If so it does make you wonder if the two are actually related given that the phrase seems to have jumped to english but skipped German and a couple others.

Ruhe in Frieden.

[Grenartia]

There’s your problem then you decided that Tumblr represents the majority or even a very small minority instead of what they actually believe. Tumblr is full of people who are professionally offended don’t take anything there as fact

"oh no people get angry when i do awful stuff. how irrational"

I mean, its hardly "awful" to say "Rest in Peace", and many people from all over the political compass have pointed out that the stated objections to the term in general use are pretty bullshit.

[Ethel mermania]

So you posted this anti semitic bullshit? Wonderful.

As arch posted from wikipedia's.

ITS FUCKING HEBREW FROM BEFORE THE TIME CHRIST WAS BORN

Ok, so, a quick question, and I genuinely mean this. Where's the anti-semitic part? I honestly don't see it.

A fair question.

Because it stigmatizes the hasidic jews as not participating and being offended by standard custom, in a particularly sensitive area. It goes to further define their otherness from mainstream society. "Eww look at what those icky jews do. I say may he rest in peace in sympathy and they get all offended" Particularly when the practice is something they in fact do.