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Who do you support to become the next Labour Party Leader?

Clive Lewis (DROPPED OUT)
2
2%
Keir Starmer (Shadow Brexit Secretary, MP for Holborn and St Pancras)
48
41%
Lisa Nandy (MP for Wigan)
11
9%
Jess Phillips (DROPPED OUT)
17
15%
Emily Thornberry (Shadow First Secretary of State, MP for Islington South and Finsbury)
7
6%
Yvette Cooper (DROPPED OUT)
1
1%
Dan Jarvis (DROPPED OUT)
1
1%
Ian Lavery (DROPPED OUT)
1
1%
Rebecca Long Bailey (Shadow Business Secretary, MP for Salford and Eccles)
17
15%
Other (Please state who in a reply)
11
9%
 
Total votes : 116

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Postby Fartsniffage » Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:11 am

The Archregimancy wrote:
Vassenor wrote:I never said it was the primary goal. I called it an unintended consequence.


For three candidates; out of 60; maybe.

Somebody sound the last trumpet; the political apocalypse is at hand.


Purdah kicks in and Arch goes from fair and balanced to frothing Lib Dem supporter. I love it. :)

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Postby Vassenor » Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:32 am

The Archregimancy wrote:
Vassenor wrote:I never said it was the primary goal. I called it an unintended consequence.


For three candidates; out of 60; maybe.

Somebody sound the last trumpet; the political apocalypse is at hand.


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Thats a nice report on Russian Donors you have there, be a real shame if someone blocked it.
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Postby The Archregimancy » Sun Nov 10, 2019 11:19 am

Fartsniffage wrote:
The Archregimancy wrote:
For three candidates; out of 60; maybe.

Somebody sound the last trumpet; the political apocalypse is at hand.


Purdah kicks in and Arch goes from fair and balanced to frothing Lib Dem supporter. I love it. :)


I don't think I've ever hidden that I'm a LibDem supporter; that's been fairly common knowledge since at least the 2010 election - which is why I've already asked for other mods to step in should moderating this thread prove necessary during the election.

All that said, I don't think my analysis of the seats where Unite to Remain candidates are running against pro-Remain Labour candidates is wrong because of my political bias. Interpretation of data can vary depending on perspective, of course, but I did my best to keep that seat by seat analysis grounded in fact rather than vague bellyfeel plusgood assertions.

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Postby The Archregimancy » Sun Nov 10, 2019 11:47 am

The Archregimancy wrote:Morgan (Portsmouth South) is in a marginal, but one with an unusual history. Portsmouth South has been won by all three parties in the three elections between 2010-2017 (SDP then LibDem Mike Hancock held the seat from '84-'87, and then again from '97-'15), and the LibDems control Portsmouth City Council with much of their support focused in the south of Portsmouth (a city I know well; a close family member was a candidate for Portsmouth North in the 1970s); so while the LibDems fell from first to third over two elections (and Labour have gone from third to first in the same time period), the LibDems will have serious aspirations to take a seat that they held for nearly 20 years prior to 2015. So not a huge surprise they're making an effort here.



I've managed to track down a constituency poll from a reputable polling company for Portsmouth South. It's a single poll, dates from the very end of last month, and uses a smaller polling sample than you'd usually get in a nationwide poll, so the usual caveats apply; but:

https://www.portsmouth.co.uk/news/polit ... -1-9129758

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Lib Dems - 30 per cent (+13 from 2017)
Conservative - 27 per cent (-11)
Labour - 24 per cent (-17)
Brexit Party - 14 per cent (new)

Mr Morgan is, of course, welcome to stand down as the Labour candidate if he doesn't want to split the Remainer vote and throw the seat to the Tories.


And of course I'm being facetious; I wouldn't expect a sitting MP to stand down for another party. But it does help to show how complex the current electoral picture is.

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Postby Fartsniffage » Sun Nov 10, 2019 12:29 pm

The Archregimancy wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Purdah kicks in and Arch goes from fair and balanced to frothing Lib Dem supporter. I love it. :)


I don't think I've ever hidden that I'm a LibDem supporter; that's been fairly common knowledge since at least the 2010 election - which is why I've already asked for other mods to step in should moderating this thread prove necessary during the election.

All that said, I don't think my analysis of the seats where Unite to Remain candidates are running against pro-Remain Labour candidates is wrong because of my political bias. Interpretation of data can vary depending on perspective, of course, but I did my best to keep that seat by seat analysis grounded in fact rather than vague bellyfeel plusgood assertions.


I was being light hearted Arch...

I just never seen you quite this intense about your political support for the Lib Dems.

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Postby The Blaatschapen » Sun Nov 10, 2019 12:34 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
The Archregimancy wrote:
I don't think I've ever hidden that I'm a LibDem supporter; that's been fairly common knowledge since at least the 2010 election - which is why I've already asked for other mods to step in should moderating this thread prove necessary during the election.

All that said, I don't think my analysis of the seats where Unite to Remain candidates are running against pro-Remain Labour candidates is wrong because of my political bias. Interpretation of data can vary depending on perspective, of course, but I did my best to keep that seat by seat analysis grounded in fact rather than vague bellyfeel plusgood assertions.


I was being light hearted Arch...

I just never seen you quite this intense about your political support for the Lib Dems.


His support is surging :)
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sun Nov 10, 2019 12:39 pm

The Blaatschapen wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
I was being light hearted Arch...

I just never seen you quite this intense about your political support for the Lib Dems.


His support is surging :)

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sun Nov 10, 2019 12:43 pm

Allegations of SInn Fein stealing votes in Foyle from a supposed former member of Sinn Fein


If it is true, it is very very interesting and would serve as a prime example of why Sinn Fein and the DUP need smashed.
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Postby Salandriagado » Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:40 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
The Archregimancy wrote:
I don't think I've ever hidden that I'm a LibDem supporter; that's been fairly common knowledge since at least the 2010 election - which is why I've already asked for other mods to step in should moderating this thread prove necessary during the election.

All that said, I don't think my analysis of the seats where Unite to Remain candidates are running against pro-Remain Labour candidates is wrong because of my political bias. Interpretation of data can vary depending on perspective, of course, but I did my best to keep that seat by seat analysis grounded in fact rather than vague bellyfeel plusgood assertions.


I was being light hearted Arch...

I just never seen you quite this intense about your political support for the Lib Dems.


Including when he was literally a Lib Dem candidate?
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:45 pm

Salandriagado wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
I was being light hearted Arch...

I just never seen you quite this intense about your political support for the Lib Dems.


Including when he was literally a Lib Dem candidate?


Especially then. He literally wanted to lose so he could move to Egypt.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:46 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Including when he was literally a Lib Dem candidate?


Especially then. He literally want to lose so he could move to Egypt.

Yellow streak of victory vs dusting old Cleopatra's bones

Tough call like.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sun Nov 10, 2019 2:03 pm

The majority of Homeless people in the UK have jobs, but cannot afford rent in their area, according to new analysis. (55%).

https://ponderwall.com/index.php/2019/1 ... s-britain/

1/200 people in the UK are homeless.

Over 1/400 people in the UK have jobs, but cannot afford a place to stay.

This is due to wages not rising and a freeze on housing benefits in a time of escalating rent costs.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sun Nov 10, 2019 2:06 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:The majority of Homeless people in the UK have jobs, but cannot afford rent in their area, according to new analysis. (55%).

https://ponderwall.com/index.php/2019/1 ... s-britain/

1/200 people in the UK are homeless.

Over 1/400 people in the UK have jobs, but cannot afford a place to stay.

This is due to wages not rising and a freeze on housing benefits in a time of escalating rent costs.

Maybe they just lack common sense like the people who died at grenfell as the right honour gentleman Jacob Rees Mogg informed us of in his enlightened wisdom.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sun Nov 10, 2019 2:08 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:The majority of Homeless people in the UK have jobs, but cannot afford rent in their area, according to new analysis. (55%).

https://ponderwall.com/index.php/2019/1 ... s-britain/

1/200 people in the UK are homeless.

Over 1/400 people in the UK have jobs, but cannot afford a place to stay.

This is due to wages not rising and a freeze on housing benefits in a time of escalating rent costs.

Maybe they just lack common sense like the people who died at grenfell as the right honour gentleman Jacob Rees Mogg informed us of in his enlightened wisdom.


The Last Leg suggested we empirically test Moggs level of common sense by giving him a headset and putting him inside a building before setting it on fire and seeing what he does. Does he turn it on to receive instructions from the fire brigade on what to do, or not.

It would get good ratings as a reality show, and who knows, by the time the Tories are done with the human rights act it might even be legal.
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There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sun Nov 10, 2019 2:08 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Maybe they just lack common sense like the people who died at grenfell as the right honour gentleman Jacob Rees Mogg informed us of in his enlightened wisdom.


The Last Leg suggested we empirically test Moggs level of common sense by giving him a headset and putting him inside a burning building and seeing what he does. Does he turn it on to receive instructions from the fire brigade on what to do, or not.

Ive not watched that show in ages, need to get back to it.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sun Nov 10, 2019 2:09 pm

Keith Vaz isn't standing. Thank god.

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sun Nov 10, 2019 2:10 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
The Last Leg suggested we empirically test Moggs level of common sense by giving him a headset and putting him inside a burning building and seeing what he does. Does he turn it on to receive instructions from the fire brigade on what to do, or not.

Ive not watched that show in ages, need to get back to it.


Was a pretty good segment. The host just kept escalating until he lost the audiences support then moved on.

For the record, the audience got nervous around the time he said Jacob Rees Mogg is worse than cancer and gave a list of reasons why. All hunky dory til then. I think Mogg legitimately pissed them off.
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Postby Risottia » Sun Nov 10, 2019 2:28 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:The majority of Homeless people in the UK have jobs, but cannot afford rent in their area, according to new analysis. (55%).

https://ponderwall.com/index.php/2019/1 ... s-britain/

1/200 people in the UK are homeless.

Over 1/400 people in the UK have jobs, but cannot afford a place to stay.

This is due to wages not rising and a freeze on housing benefits in a time of escalating rent costs.


Good, it's about time the plebs went back where they belong.
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Right, so who's ready for the Daily Mail to go berserk tomorrow when Corbyn's poppy turns out to be at slightly the wrong angle or something?
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Kavagrad wrote:Right, so who's ready for the Daily Mail to go berserk tomorrow when Corbyn's poppy turns out to be at slightly the wrong angle or something?

He may as well walk into parliament with a big iron on his lapel
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Kavagrad wrote:Right, so who's ready for the Daily Mail to go berserk tomorrow when Corbyn's poppy turns out to be at slightly the wrong angle or something?


At least the Daily Mail will try to be accurate, the Sun will call it the "fake flower of false fealty" or some such thing, say it's actually a marigold, and declare said marigolds to be unpatriotic things that only unwashed Labourites and Lib Dem wafflers would ever grow in their gardens.
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Postby SD_Film Artists » Mon Nov 11, 2019 12:39 am

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His support is surging :)

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