'Manspreading chair' and men's boundaries

[Garner Industrial State]

Apparently a belief can’t be held unless it’s announced word for word

Sweet strawman.

Mind pointing to where I said anything along those lines before I set the strawman on fire?

Whilst you're at it, prove that the belief is held by anyone who hasn't explicitly announced it. Go on.

Also, you said 'calling', not 'believing'.

1: You said it a quote ago
1.5: It’s called a deconstruction
2: there is a thing called an inference
3: no one is omniscient

[Highever]

THey very clearly did not specifically mention you in reference to the chair and very clearly made sure to specify they were talking about the person who made the chair.

Says the person constantly whining about hostility and people's tones in this thread. You are tight tho, it is not cute.

It's amusing that you feel you have any cause to call out my tone when you've admitted to "snark". Why don't you concentrate on the actual topic rather than me considering I'm not the one whining? That would be nice.

This is so absurdly ironic at this point it is just pathetic. Considering you are the one that first started whining about people's tones and not the topic in the first place. But as is the theme with you, it is only a problem when someone that is not yourself starts to do what you.

The difference is unlike you, I fully admit to my tone and snark while you continually seem to try and say you do not do so and play hypocrite.

Regardless I agree, let's end this nonsense. Once again, if it is just too much, foe button.

[Saint Arsenio]

I mean, you keep claiming that "Women's comfortableness doesn't matter, but hey, at least the Men are comfortable." I don't know about you, but to me, it seems like you're trying to make Females the victims here, when really, there is no victim.

So when women cannot sit, or sit with men pressing them into a tiny space, women's comfort matters?

Please, reread what you just wrote.

Everyone's comfort matters, but you seem to be missing that. I believe you need to re-read what you wrote on earlier pages. Politely asking us to "please make room" is more than enough to signify to us that you'd like more space. We just don't like the idea of sitting on our balls uncomfortably trying to satisfy a small fraction of people who have a problem with it. (Not trying to come off as hostile).

[Ors Might]

I mean, you keep claiming that "Women's comfortableness doesn't matter, but hey, at least the Men are comfortable." I don't know about you, but to me, it seems like you're trying to make Females the victims here, when really, there is no victim.

So when women cannot sit, or sit with men pressing them into a tiny space, women's comfort DOES matter? When women are told to shut up about having to sit in a fraction of a seat because there 'is no victim', does that make any sense?

Please, reread what you just wrote.

Please provide evidence that most man spreading is men taking up two to three seats, if you would.

[Katganistan]

It's not comfy for women to be squeezed into a triangle because fellows want to take up so much space. TRUST me. I've got off with my legs aching from being jammed against the metal end of the bench and someone's legs shoving mine seven inches to the left or right.

But hey, it's only men's comfort that matters.
That's the point of this entire thread.

Imagine being so reactionary that you think that men saying that they would prefer not to endure massive pain on their testicles or endure fertility problems is saying that women's comfort doesn't matter. The only one here saying that someone's comfort doesn't matter is you.

Reading comprehension is your friend.
I did not say men's comfort doesn't matter. I did not say that ANYWHERE on this thread. People have said that is my position, but I am not responsible for their strawmen.

I said sprawling over more than one seat should not be at the expense of women's comfort, impinging on space they are entitled to.

[Highever]

So when women cannot sit, or sit with men pressing them into a tiny space, women's comfort DOES matter? When women are told to shut up about having to sit in a fraction of a seat because there 'is no victim', does that make any sense?

Please, reread what you just wrote.

Please provide evidence that most man spreading is men taking up two to three seats, if you would.

Quit being hostile, you know very will she proved that with those 5 pictures she posted earlier in the thread.

[Katganistan]

Keep telling yourself that it's me claiming victimhood, if it makes you feel better.

Considering you are constantly trying to put yourself on a pedestal and looking down on everyone else for "belittling" opposing views and being a bit hostile in town while blatantly doing the same things yourself but trying to play the victim of these things to avert your own partaking in them, you are the one saying it quite clearly yourself. But continue to try and say otherwise, if it makes you feel better.

If people's posts are just too much for you to handle and are just too darn hostile and vitriolic, I humbly remind you of the foe button so that you can stop whining about it.

Or you could stop building those strawmen and committing ad hominem fallacies as fast as you can. That's also a possibility.

[Scomagia]

Imagine being so reactionary that you think that men saying that they would prefer not to endure massive pain on their testicles or endure fertility problems is saying that women's comfort doesn't matter. The only one here saying that someone's comfort doesn't matter is you.

Careful. Apparently saying that is hostility.

Well, we wouldn't want to be hostile, would we? After all, we aren't mods. If we're obnoxious ideologues, people can actually ignore us.

[Saint Arsenio]

Please provide evidence that most man spreading is men taking up two to three seats, if you would.

Quit being hostile, you know very will she proved that with those 5 pictures she posted earlier in the thread.

None of them were taking up two or three seats, though. They were being jerks, but they weren't taking up space like that.

[Katganistan]

It's amusing that you feel you have any cause to call out my tone when you've admitted to "snark". Why don't you concentrate on the actual topic rather than me considering I'm not the one whining? That would be nice.

This is so absurdly ironic at this point it is just pathetic. Considering you are the one that first started whining about people's tones and not the topic in the first place. But as is the theme with you, it is only a problem when someone that is not yourself starts to do what you.

The difference is unlike you, I fully admit to my tone and snark while you continually seem to try and say you do not do so and play hypocrite.

Regardless I agree, let's end this nonsense. Once again, if it is just too much, foe button.

Or you could stop engaging if that's how you feel. Or report me, rather than keep making this about me.

[Estanglia]

Sweet strawman.

Mind pointing to where I said anything along those lines before I set the strawman on fire?

Whilst you're at it, prove that the belief is held by anyone who hasn't explicitly announced it. Go on.

Also, you said 'calling', not 'believing'.

1: You said it a quote ago
1.5: It’s called a deconstruction
2: there is a thing called an inference
3: no one is omniscient

1) Show me where in

Except only one person has done that.

I said

Apparently a belief can’t be held unless it’s announced word for word

1.5) What?

2) Inferences can be incorrect, and don't be shocked when people call you out on a lack of evidence for your inference. For example, your inference that me saying "only one person expressed that belief" somehow means "Nobody can hold said belief unless it's announced word for word", which is incorrect, evidenceless and has promptly been burned as the strawman it is.

3) So you can't prove that any of us hold that belief. What's the point of bringing up that belief in the first place then when only one person has ever been shown to hold said belief, and only after you brought up said belief?

[Kaztropol]

German sprint cyclist Robert Förstemann can use a normal chair without spreading his knees wider than his elbows.

Which makes the claims that a man has to spread his knees further apart than his elbows to avoid excruciating pain to be somewhat difficult for me to truly believe.

Are you all wearing super-skinny jeans or other constrictive clothing or something ?

[Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio]

The increased size of the chair somewhat diminishes its utility, no?

[Saint Arsenio]

German sprint cyclist Robert Förstemann can use a normal chair without spreading his knees wider than his elbows.

Which makes the claims that a man has to spread his knees further apart than his elbows to avoid excruciating pain to be somewhat difficult for me to truly believe.

Are you all wearing super-skinny jeans or other constrictive clothing or something ?

Nobody ever said we had to spread our legs. Not all men have to do this. Some Men really do have to do this to avoid being uncomfortable, or having pain.

[Ors Might]

German sprint cyclist Robert Förstemann can use a normal chair without spreading his knees wider than his elbows.

Which makes the claims that a man has to spread his knees further apart than his elbows to avoid excruciating pain to be somewhat difficult for me to truly believe.

Are you all wearing super-skinny jeans or other constrictive clothing or something ?

Good for Robert.

I spread my knees however far I need to in order to prevent my thighs from crushing my junk. As do many other guys. How far that is varies from guy to guy.

[Scomagia]

German sprint cyclist Robert Förstemann can use a normal chair without spreading his knees wider than his elbows.

Which makes the claims that a man has to spread his knees further apart than his elbows to avoid excruciating pain to be somewhat difficult for me to truly believe.

Are you all wearing super-skinny jeans or other constrictive clothing or something ?

No one said it needed to be wider than your elbows. You're tilting at windmills there, Don Quixote.

[Kaztropol]

German sprint cyclist Robert Förstemann can use a normal chair without spreading his knees wider than his elbows.

Which makes the claims that a man has to spread his knees further apart than his elbows to avoid excruciating pain to be somewhat difficult for me to truly believe.

Are you all wearing super-skinny jeans or other constrictive clothing or something ?

Nobody ever said we had to spread our legs. Not all men have to do this. Some Men really do have to do this to avoid being uncomfortable, or having pain.

Nobody except a few dozen posts in this thread.

[Estanglia]

German sprint cyclist Robert Förstemann can use a normal chair without spreading his knees wider than his elbows.

Which makes the claims that a man has to spread his knees further apart than his elbows to avoid excruciating pain to be somewhat difficult for me to truly believe.

Are you all wearing super-skinny jeans or other constrictive clothing or something ?

I don't believe we ever said men have to do it, or that it's done to avoid excruciating pain.

What we have said is that some men spread their legs to avoid discomfort.

[Saint Arsenio]

Nobody ever said we had to spread our legs. Not all men have to do this. Some Men really do have to do this to avoid being uncomfortable, or having pain.

Nobody except a few dozen posts in this thread.

I may be wrong, but like I said, we don't have to do this. We could just always be uncomfortable

[Highever]

This is so absurdly ironic at this point it is just pathetic. Considering you are the one that first started whining about people's tones and not the topic in the first place. But as is the theme with you, it is only a problem when someone that is not yourself starts to do what you.

The difference is unlike you, I fully admit to my tone and snark while you continually seem to try and say you do not do so and play hypocrite.

Regardless I agree, let's end this nonsense. Once again, if it is just too much, foe button.

Or you could stop engaging if that's how you feel. Or report me, rather than keep making this about me.

Again with the hilarious irony. Only a problem when someone else does it and then play naive to your own blatant actions that fall exactly in line with what you try to criticize others for. Its okay when you engage continually but then when I respond, just turn it around on me and try and make me out to be the one that started this nonsense in the first place and being the sole culprit of the described actions. Truly astounding.

Quit being hostile, you know very will she proved that with those 5 pictures she posted earlier in the thread.

None of them were taking up two or three seats, though. They were being jerks, but they weren't taking up space like that.

Oh I am well aware of that, as are most people it seems.

[Estanglia]

Nobody ever said we had to spread our legs. Not all men have to do this. Some Men really do have to do this to avoid being uncomfortable, or having pain.

Nobody except a few dozen posts in this thread.

Cite one where we said men had to do it.

[Valentine Z]

Nobody ever said we had to spread our legs. Not all men have to do this. Some Men really do have to do this to avoid being uncomfortable, or having pain.

Nobody except a few dozen posts in this thread.

It's not a must, but it does make us comfortable. Most men are uncomfortable when we sit without spreading, but at the same time, most of us are considerate and aware if there is someone beside us.

Just ask instead of being condescending or writing on a blog about aggressive men.

When in doubt, ask. Just ask.

[Katganistan]

So when women cannot sit, or sit with men pressing them into a tiny space, women's comfort DOES matter? When women are told to shut up about having to sit in a fraction of a seat because there 'is no victim', does that make any sense?

Please, reread what you just wrote.

Please provide evidence that most man spreading is men taking up two to three seats, if you would.

Did I say most? Please, link that.

In reaction to that doesn't happen, men don't take more than a little of another seat I posted this:



which, let's count together. How many seats is this fine gent taking?

Really now. Don't make arguments for me I did not make. I did say people in the 50s-60s sat in a more reasonable stance. And provided proof.

The exaggerations of what was actually posted is coming from some people, on one side, who appear to feel threatened by "please be courteous". It would be hilarious, if not so sadly indicative of the problem.

[Highever]

Nobody ever said we had to spread our legs. Not all men have to do this. Some Men really do have to do this to avoid being uncomfortable, or having pain.

Nobody except a few dozen posts in this thread.

I think they're more trying to say that a wider stance is preferred if it is possible for comfort reasons, but isn't absolutely required.

[Highever]

Nobody except a few dozen posts in this thread.

Most men are uncomfortable when we sit without spreading, but at the same time, most of us are considerate and aware if there is someone beside us.

Just ask instead of being condescending or writing on a blog about aggressive men.

When in doubt, ask. Just ask.