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Postby Petrolheadia » Sun Feb 17, 2019 3:15 pm

Elwher wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:I heard about some guy who wrecked his car.

Apparently he wanted to see how his Mercedes bends.


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Postby Elwher » Sun Feb 17, 2019 3:21 pm

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Elwher wrote:
Sign in a body shop:

May we have the next dents?

Electronic ignitions are pointless.


I think we wheeley auto quit this.
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Postby Petrolheadia » Sun Feb 17, 2019 3:26 pm

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Petrolheadia wrote:Electronic ignitions are pointless.


I think we wheeley auto quit this.

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Postby Vassenor » Sun Feb 17, 2019 3:29 pm

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I think we wheeley auto quit this.

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...Pretty sure that's a Lancer tho.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sun Feb 17, 2019 3:43 pm

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...Pretty sure that's a Lancer tho.

Lancer EVOs have those diffuser fins along the roof above the rear window, Subarus have the big box wing you see here.
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The WRX box wing.

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Postby Vassenor » Sun Feb 17, 2019 4:03 pm

And I'm back to trying to puzzle out car choices.

On the one hand the C3 has a bigger conventional bootspace than the 208. On the other once you drop the back seats you get more capacity in the 208.

And annoyingly all the used examples of both are old enough to only have MirrorLink rather than Android Auto. So can't hook my phone in.
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Postby Elwher » Sun Feb 17, 2019 8:23 pm

Vassenor wrote:And I'm back to trying to puzzle out car choices.

On the one hand the C3 has a bigger conventional bootspace than the 208. On the other once you drop the back seats you get more capacity in the 208.

And annoyingly all the used examples of both are old enough to only have MirrorLink rather than Android Auto. So can't hook my phone in.


Are you likely to need the space? And if so, while carrying more than one passenger? If the answer to q1 is no, then it is a difference without a distinction. If q1 is yes, then if q2 is yes, you may want the C3; if no then the 208 makes more sense.
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Postby Novus America » Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:56 am



Which I am sure will fail like always. Peugeot has poor brand recognition, its products entirely unsuited to the market, and the market is already pretty saturated.
Why would someone buy a Peugeot if the other, better offerings out there?
What unfilled niche does it seek to fill?
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Postby Petrolheadia » Tue Feb 26, 2019 11:13 am

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Which I am sure will fail like always. Peugeot has poor brand recognition, its products entirely unsuited to the market, and the market is already pretty saturated.
Why would someone buy a Peugeot if the other, better offerings out there?
What unfilled niche does it seek to fill?

Here in Europe, it's basically Kiyundai-tier stuff, but with better recognition (which won't be there in the US).
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Postby NeoOasis » Tue Feb 26, 2019 7:42 pm

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Which I am sure will fail like always. Peugeot has poor brand recognition, its products entirely unsuited to the market, and the market is already pretty saturated.
Why would someone buy a Peugeot if the other, better offerings out there?
What unfilled niche does it seek to fill?


Peugeot has poor recognition, but Citroen and DS don't suffer from that issue. And I can see both those brands fill the niche left behind by Saab, Saturn, or even Suzuki. Personally I think the US is pretty lousy for small nice cars right now, and I welcome a few new players to the US market... especially if it causes Fiat to actually step up, for finally cease in the US.

All that being said, Peugeot did buy Opel recently, who has sold rebadged cars in the US under the Buick label. In fact more tha a few of GM's FWD cars have been based on Opel developed cars in years past. Problem isn't making a car for the USDM, but rather being able to sell it. I wonder how they plan on solving their non-existent dealer network in the US right now. That kinda stuff may fly with premium brands, but I don't see it working out for a mass market car.

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Postby Auzkhia » Tue Feb 26, 2019 9:14 pm


I'm excited, bring some quirky little hatches from Peugeot and also some smooth comfortable cars from Citroën/DS, It's only few years, by 2026, but I think by then I might be in the car market. 208 GTi? Yes please.
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Postby Dresderstan » Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:44 pm

And the U.S. market will meet them with general dissatisfaction because America doesn't really care about French automakers, except maybe Fiat largely because of Chrysler.
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Postby Petrolheadia » Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:57 pm

Auzkhia wrote:

I'm excited, bring some quirky little hatches from Peugeot and also some smooth comfortable cars from Citroën/DS, It's only few years, by 2026, but I think by then I might be in the car market. 208 GTi? Yes please.

It's funny to read such fetishizing of these cars. They're ordinary cars through and through, with some unusual styling choices.
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Postby Auzkhia » Tue Feb 26, 2019 11:13 pm

Petrolheadia wrote:
Auzkhia wrote:I'm excited, bring some quirky little hatches from Peugeot and also some smooth comfortable cars from Citroën/DS, It's only few years, by 2026, but I think by then I might be in the car market. 208 GTi? Yes please.

It's funny to read such fetishizing of these cars. They're ordinary cars through and through, with some unusual styling choices.

It's context. The only time I found a 57 Chevy Bel Air impressive as in Switzerland, but over in the states, they're common classic cars. It's like that, where as something like Peugeot is a generic, regular car in many European countries. But in America, it becomes a weird niche, it's different than the usually fare of the Toyota Camry, pickup trucks, and small SUVs. Relative taste.
Dresderstan wrote:And the U.S. market will meet them with general dissatisfaction because America doesn't really care about French automakers, except maybe Fiat largely because of Chrysler.

Fiat is Italian, that's what the I in Fiat stands for.
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Postby Petrolheadia » Tue Feb 26, 2019 11:19 pm

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Petrolheadia wrote:It's funny to read such fetishizing of these cars. They're ordinary cars through and through, with some unusual styling choices.

It's context. The only time I found a 57 Chevy Bel Air impressive as in Switzerland, but over in the states, they're common classic cars. It's like that, where as something like Peugeot is a generic, regular car in many European countries. But in America, it becomes a weird niche, it's different than the usually fare of the Toyota Camry, pickup trucks, and small SUVs. Relative taste.

Subcompact car, compact car, midsize car, subcompact crossover, 2 compact crossovers, some vans. Pretty standard fare.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Wed Feb 27, 2019 4:23 am

Auzkhia wrote:Fiat is Italian, that's what the I in Fiat stands for.

Fine Italian Automotive Trash?
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Postby Novus America » Wed Feb 27, 2019 5:14 am

Auzkhia wrote:

I'm excited, bring some quirky little hatches from Peugeot and also some smooth comfortable cars from Citroën/DS, It's only few years, by 2026, but I think by then I might be in the car market. 208 GTi? Yes please.


What makes them any better than the numerous other offerings out there?
Besides given they lack North American manufacturing facilities, dealers, and economies of scale in the US, they are going to have a hard time competing.
Plus try getting parts. Repairs will cost you.

High cost and expensive repairs are not critical for luxury cars and high performance cars.
But Peugeot can not compete with the likes of Porsche obviously.
Peugeot does not have the name and products needed.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Thu Feb 28, 2019 7:06 am

I like the assumption that Peugeot will sell cars in the US but forget to have any infrastructure for repairs or parts.


In other news...break your piggy banks, kids. A Group B homologation car is for sale!
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Postby East Fredonia » Thu Feb 28, 2019 12:28 pm

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Auzkhia wrote:Fiat is Italian, that's what the I in Fiat stands for.

Fine Italian Automotive Trash?

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Postby NeoOasis » Thu Feb 28, 2019 4:55 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:I like the assumption that Peugeot will sell cars in the US but forget to have any infrastructure for repairs or parts.


In other news...break your piggy banks, kids. A Group B homologation car is for sale!


Mini and Tesla are doing fine despite fewer if any dealers in some states. Peugeot will have an uphill battle, but Fiat also started out with essentially zero.

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Thu Feb 28, 2019 4:57 pm

NeoOasis wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:I like the assumption that Peugeot will sell cars in the US but forget to have any infrastructure for repairs or parts.


In other news...break your piggy banks, kids. A Group B homologation car is for sale!


Mini and Tesla are doing fine despite fewer if any dealers in some states. Peugeot will have an uphill battle, but Fiat also started out with essentially zero.

It's almost like foreign manufacturers have successfully introduced themselves to the US market repeatedly and wouldn't be unheard of for one to do it again.
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Postby NeoOasis » Thu Feb 28, 2019 5:00 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
NeoOasis wrote:
Mini and Tesla are doing fine despite fewer if any dealers in some states. Peugeot will have an uphill battle, but Fiat also started out with essentially zero.

It's almost like foreign manufacturers have successfully introduced themselves to the US market repeatedly and wouldn't be unheard of for one to do it again.


Wild concept, I know. Gonna forward a new idea. Peugeot's Frenchness will be the brand's biggest challenge to success in the US. People will try to use the excuse of no dealer network to cover up their inability to get over the idea that French people make cars.

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