Double Standards That Prove We're All Hypocrites

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

http://www.cracked.com/pictofacts-875-2 ... ypocrites/

So I came across this on Cracked; a number of them relate to gender issues.

#24, #23, #21, #20, #18, #17, #16, #14, and #6, to be specific.

These reminded me of NSG, and one current running through the comments is to blame double standards against males on the idea that "being a girl is degrading."

Here's the rub, though; how would you even test that? Some of these could if anything be attributed to the opposite; the idea that guys are content with feminine or less-feminine girls, that girls aren't as content with less-masculine guys, and that this gives the latter less social bargaining power. If males are desperate for females, what have males that haven't been male in the conventional way to offer that gives others an incentive to respect them?

What say you, NSG?

[The Grim Reaper]

http://www.cracked.com/pictofacts-875-24-double-standards-that-prove-were-all-hypocrites/

So I came across this on Cracked; a number of them relate to gender issues.

#24, #23, #21, #20, #18, #17, #16, #14, and #6, to be specific.

These reminded me of NSG, and one current running through the comments is to blame double standards against males on the idea that "being a girl is degrading."

Here's the rub, though; how would you even test that? Some of these could if anything be attributed to the opposite; the idea that guys are content with feminine or less-feminine girls, that girls aren't as content with less-masculine guys, and that this gives the latter less social bargaining power. If males are desperate for females, what have males that haven't been male in the conventional way to offer that gives others an incentive to respect them?

What say you, NSG?

I'd say that I don't have time to search through a list of 24 images on a humour site to find nine specific points.

Needless to say, it should be pointed out that the 24 images are user-submitted macros and they're a basically worthless source to include at all. You could have just left them out or transcribed them onto your OP so I don't have to bother loading 24 GIFs and reading what was for the most part entirely irrelevant to your thread.

In fact, I'll do it for you, because your time is worth so much more than mine.

#24 is a picture of a male actor pretending to abuse a female actor, subtitled "Man assaults woman? 'You look like a psychotic person'", followed by the reverse subtitled "Woman assaults man? 'He must've cheated on her.'". #23 is a picture of a second wave feminist rally with the banner women unite, subtitled "Our foremothers fought for our right to work.", followed by a woman with a baby using a computer, "You're choosing your career over your baby?"
#21 is a picture of two women talking, saying "My perfect man is one with a sense of humor who cooks and loves kids!, followed by a screenshot entitled "Dream Guys" and listing a number of attractive actors.
#20 is a picture of a woman crying, subtitled "Oh the poor little thing, why is shy crying", followed by a picture of a man crying subtitled "Jeez, what a wimp!"
#18 is a picture of a man caring for a baby in a crib, subtitled "He's a good father.", followed by a woman doing the same with the subtitled "She's just doing her duty as a mother".
#17 is a picture of a girl in softball uniform telling her father that she wants to join softball, with the father's subtitled dialogue being supportive and extolling her as "the next Ila Borders", suggesting that he will teach her all they know. It is followed by a picture of a boy in a ballet uniform telling his father that he wants to join ballet, with the father's subtitled dialogue berating him and asking him why he can't play ball "like a normal boy".
#16 is a picture of a woman wearing men's clothes, subtitled that "this is fine", followed by a man wearing women's clothes, subtitled "but...[this] is weird".
#14 has no relevance to your point. It's a picture of a female pop singer (Miley Cyrus), with subtitles bemoaning the fact that modern pop singers are oversexualized, while showing an older pop singer I do not recognize, who I assume to be female, wearing far skimpier clothes.
#6 is straight up bizarre. It compares Maxim to Cosmopolitan, arguing that the sexualization of women promotes unrealistic body standards and sexual objectification in magazines for men like Maxim, but that it is acceptable to read Cosmopolitan when women "skim through them at the register", "don't take them seriously", and when "[their] husband likes when [they] read it".

Based on those last two, I suspect even you didn't have the time to read all nine.

[Bear Connors Paradiso]

People have preferences. Some guys like 90 pound DDD breasted blondes. Some guys like 700 pound women. Some women like ripped men with a male chicken that's longer than their checkbook. Some women like 500 pound nerds that play Overwatch all day. It's their preference, and you cant make blanket sexist statements on that.

All people deserve respect and that should never change based on their appearance or "social bargaining power". If we all just shook each others hands as equals, we'd have a lot less problems in this world.

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

http://www.cracked.com/pictofacts-875-24-double-standards-that-prove-were-all-hypocrites/

So I came across this on Cracked; a number of them relate to gender issues.

#24, #23, #21, #20, #18, #17, #16, #14, and #6, to be specific.

These reminded me of NSG, and one current running through the comments is to blame double standards against males on the idea that "being a girl is degrading."

Here's the rub, though; how would you even test that? Some of these could if anything be attributed to the opposite; the idea that guys are content with feminine or less-feminine girls, that girls aren't as content with less-masculine guys, and that this gives the latter less social bargaining power. If males are desperate for females, what have males that haven't been male in the conventional way to offer that gives others an incentive to respect them?

What say you, NSG?

I'd say that I don't have time to search through a list of 24 images on a humour site to find nine specific points.

Needless to say, it should be pointed out that the 24 images are user-submitted macros and they're a basically worthless source to include at all. You could have just left them out or transcribed them onto your OP so I don't have to bother loading 24 GIFs and reading what was for the most part entirely irrelevant to your thread.

In fact, I'll do it for you, because your time is worth so much more than mine.

#24 is a picture of a male actor pretending to abuse a female actor, subtitled "Man assaults woman? 'You look like a psychotic person'", followed by the reverse subtitled "Woman assaults man? 'He must've cheated on her.'". #23 is a picture of a second wave feminist rally with the banner women unite, subtitled "Our foremothers fought for our right to work.", followed by a woman with a baby using a computer, "You're choosing your career over your baby?"
#21 is a picture of two women talking, saying "My perfect man is one with a sense of humor who cooks and loves kids!, followed by a screenshot entitled "Dream Guys" and listing a number of attractive actors.
#20 is a picture of a woman crying, subtitled "Oh the poor little thing, why is shy crying", followed by a picture of a man crying subtitled "Jeez, what a wimp!"
#18 is a picture of a man caring for a baby in a crib, subtitled "He's a good father.", followed by a woman doing the same with the subtitled "She's just doing her duty as a mother".
#17 is a picture of a girl in softball uniform telling her father that she wants to join softball, with the father's subtitled dialogue being supportive and extolling her as "the next Ila Borders", suggesting that he will teach her all they know. It is followed by a picture of a boy in a ballet uniform telling his father that he wants to join ballet, with the father's subtitled dialogue berating him and asking him why he can't play ball "like a normal boy".
#16 is a picture of a woman wearing men's clothes, subtitled that "this is fine", followed by a man wearing women's clothes, subtitled "but...[this] is weird".
#14 has no relevance to your point. It's a picture of a female pop singer (Miley Cyrus), with subtitles bemoaning the fact that modern pop singers are oversexualized, while showing an older pop singer I do not recognize, who I assume to be female, wearing far skimpier clothes.
#6 is straight up bizarre. It compares Maxim to Cosmopolitan, arguing that the sexualization of women promotes unrealistic body standards and sexual objectification in magazines for men like Maxim, but that it is acceptable to read Cosmopolitan when women "skim through them at the register", "don't take them seriously", and when "[their] husband likes when [they] read it".

Based on those last two, I suspect even you didn't have the time to read all nine.

>More than 10000 posts on a politics-themed webforum
>Thinks others "didn't have the time" to look at 9 images.

If you decide from the first few that you don't want to look at the rest, that's up to you. If you decide to comment on some and not others, that's up to you.

However, I thought it would be exceedingly pointless to describe what is available elsewhere in an illustrated format.

Does anyone still have a browser that has trouble loading GIFs? I could link to the relevant ones if you like, but I thought that was a thing of the past.

EDIT: On second thought, I suppose it wouldn't hurt to link to the relevant images anyway.

[Topoliani]

Are you seriously taking CRACKED seriously?

[The Grim Reaper]

If you decide from the first few that you don't want to look at the rest, that's up to you. If you decide to comment on some and not others, that's up to you.

One would expect that the person posting the fucking user-submitted memes as his only source would comment on all of them.

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

If you decide from the first few that you don't want to look at the rest, that's up to you. If you decide to comment on some and not others, that's up to you.

One would expect that the person posting the fucking user-submitted memes as his only source would comment on all of them.

That people are attributing it to the supposed "being a girl is degrading" thing is the pattern that applied to some of the entries. "Relating to gender issues" is the one that applies to them all.

As for commenting on the rest, brevity vs. longwindedness is kind of a damned if you do, damned if you don't.

[The Grim Reaper]

One would expect that the person posting the fucking user-submitted memes as his only source would comment on all of them.

That people are attributing it to the supposed "being a girl is degrading" thing is the pattern that applied to some of the entries. "Relating to gender issues" is the one that applies to them all.

As for commenting on the rest, brevity vs. longwindedness is kind of a damned if you do, damned if you don't.

You've listed nine images. At bare minimum, list off the ones that are "some of the entries", and then following that list off the ones that are not those entries in a separate but equally concise set. You will then have what I can only imagine is a list identical to the original list except in order.

At that point, we will then discuss how unfathomably ridiculous this thread was for using Cracked user-submitted images as a standard of discussion, and then leave, but we will at least have gained some sense of closure which is otherwise such a pipe dream with the list as presented.

[Autumn Wind]

#14 has no relevance to your point. It's a picture of a female pop singer (Miley Cyrus), with subtitles bemoaning the fact that modern pop singers are oversexualized, while showing an older pop singer I do not recognize, who I assume to be female, wearing far skimpier clothes...

That's Cher, circa 1990.

The More You Know! [insert rainbow star thing]

[Liriena]

Cracked's photoshopped "cool stories" and "memes" contest thingy as a conversation starter on gender and hypocrisy? Ummm... sure, okay.

Honestly, all of those read like an endless series of strawmen and lame jokes.

[Petrasylvania]

Cracked's photoshopped "cool stories" and "memes" contest thingy as a conversation starter on gender and hypocrisy? Ummm... sure, okay.

Honestly, all of those read like an endless series of strawmen and lame jokes.

An alpha male mating call.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

>More than 10000 posts on a politics-themed webforum
>Thinks others "didn't have the time" to look at 9 images.

It's hilarious that the first thing you bother to point out is how he has over 10,000 posts.

Imagine, if you will, someone who has over 8 times that telling you that you really wasted all of our time into bullshit gifs.

Oh, what's that? There's nobody with that many posts around making the same criticism in this thread? Allow me to make it, then: You really wasted all of our times on your shitty gifs. I want those seconds of my fucking life back.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

As for commenting on the rest, brevity vs. longwindedness is kind of a damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Clearly you haven't seen my long-winded OPs when I bother to make them.

There's no set limit on how long-winded or how short you must be. I must assume you really don't have a fucking point with this thread other than prove we're hypocrites. I mean, this is NSG, of course we're going to be hypocritical bastards as a collective. You didn't need to post this for us to figure it out, I could have told you that.

[Risottia]

It's just a list of text saying "Entry # by A.B., Entry #-1 by C.D, ...".
What is that supposed to mean? Apart from the obvious clickbait.

[Pope Joan]

Are you seriously taking CRACKED seriously?

That was my reaction too. It's like the onion but less witty.

[Kenmoria]

The fact that you're using Cracked as an actual source for your claims doesn't bode well from the start. Some of the things mentioned in the articles are genuine double standards, some aren't, but Cracked isn't a good source.

[Hirota]

What say you, NSG?

I say you go look up a better source, do a better OP, and you'll get more traction.

I mean, I agree, but your message is kind of lost by the people seeing the link and not seeing the message behind it.

[The Holy Therns]

Oh, Cracked. This will be a serious discussion of serious things taken seriously.

[Forsher]

What do I say? Well, reading the thread I am rather compelled to say that NSG once again demonstrates its complete inability to grasp:

• that just because something is funny or satirical or like-the-Onion-but-not-as-witty that it is able to have a serious point that should be taken seriously. I mean, to be honest, satirical works don't exist without serious objects. Why would anyone bother to satirise something silly? It's not worth the effort...
• that just failing to consider something just because it's usually dumb is intellectually dishonest. Indeed, to a large extent, this thread consists of a series of ad hominems directed not at a person but instead a company. Yay us!
• that the point of a conversational starter isn't actually what starts the conversation/piques the interest of the OP but rather the OP's points, in this case that "being a girl is degrading" is an inadequate explanation for these double standards. This thread is the equivalent of walking down the street with a friend, treading on a rock and then having a conversation about the gravel in your driveway. The conversation is the driveway gravel issue, not the rock that was trod on.
• that clickbait titles are a thing and just because it's title says it's something that doesn't mean it is that thing. You might think this is a strange thing to suggest NSG doesn't get, but it's actually proven itself a fairly controversial subject... even without recent events.

However, it would be advisable to:

• use more than one site to establish that the double standards exist... as Liriena and Hirota obliquely point out, it would be much more productive if prospective thread participants could be sure they're talking about a real thing.
• realise that NSG suffers from the above problems and thus not give it the opportunity to make its irrelevant remarks by finding sites that aren't like Cracked when doing the above. Know your audience. (Hah! You have just been tone policed.)

But more to what the OP is doing... based purely on my memory, it seems that several of these ideas are talked about on NSG (if I couldn't remember any example, I did not include the double standard... if I wasn't happy with the example, I did some searching). Consider:

• Double Standard: female administered domestic violence (with a side of, victim blaming). I remember this example, for instance. Read carefully, you'll notice suggestions that the OP of that thread hypercorrected due to belief that this is a double standard. Here's a more explicit version of this idea.
• Double Standard: a woman expressing emotion is presumed to be justified in doing so whereas a man isn't. I should note that I shouldn't really include this. I do, though, because I feel that the latter point is more important, and I do know that's been brought up in NSG. I should also say that a lot of people would point out that women are often labelled hysterical but all the same here's a bit talking about the non-emotional man.
• Double Standard: expressions of parenthood in men are noteworthy but assumed for women. I actually know of another highly related double standard... it's the dad babysat problem (non-NSG link). This seems to include the actual double standard.
• (Relating to the Maxim vs Cosmopolitan thing) Double Standard: male objectification of women = problem!!! female objectification of women = [silence]. Well, NSG claims feminists objectify women, close enough?

tl;dr -- in the continued absence of serious criticisms in at least four cases, it seems Cracked's list of user submitted double standards has identified actual^TM double standards that might make one think of NSG.

[Purpelia]

Double standards are not bad. In fact, I would say that they are an essential survival mechanism for us as a species. If we were unable to judge others by different rules than our self we would be unable to form groups or tribes which is our primary survival mechanism when competing for limited resources.

[Xmara]

So I came across this on Cracked; a number of them relate to gender issues.

Cracked

Go find something better, then we’ll talk.

[Katganistan]

http://www.cracked.com/pictofacts-875-24-double-standards-that-prove-were-all-hypocrites/

So I came across this on Cracked; a number of them relate to gender issues.

#24, #23, #21, #20, #18, #17, #16, #14, and #6, to be specific.

These reminded me of NSG, and one current running through the comments is to blame double standards against males on the idea that "being a girl is degrading."

Here's the rub, though; how would you even test that? Some of these could if anything be attributed to the opposite; the idea that guys are content with feminine or less-feminine girls, that girls aren't as content with less-masculine guys, and that this gives the latter less social bargaining power. If males are desperate for females, what have males that haven't been male in the conventional way to offer that gives others an incentive to respect them?

What say you, NSG?

Tl;dlook through a bunch of images on a site devoted to comedy since the OP doesn't think them important enough to summarize.

[San Marlindo]

These reminded me of NSG, and one current running through the comments is to blame double standards against males on the idea that "being a girl is degrading."

What?

Where would you get that impression?

Here's the rub, though; how would you even test that? Some of these could if anything be attributed to the opposite; the idea that guys are content with feminine or less-feminine girls, that girls aren't as content with less-masculine guys, and that this gives the latter less social bargaining power. If males are desperate for females, what have males that haven't been male in the conventional way to offer that gives others an incentive to respect them?

I literally didn't understand a word of this rambling nitpicky word salad. And I read it twice.

What does any of this have to do with the previous quote?

"NSG thinks being female is a degrading experience"

OK, I don't agree, but I follow.

After that you lose me.

[Shofercia]

http://www.cracked.com/pictofacts-875-24-double-standards-that-prove-were-all-hypocrites/

So I came across this on Cracked; a number of them relate to gender issues.

#24, #23, #21, #20, #18, #17, #16, #14, and #6, to be specific.

These reminded me of NSG, and one current running through the comments is to blame double standards against males on the idea that "being a girl is degrading."

Here's the rub, though; how would you even test that? Some of these could if anything be attributed to the opposite; the idea that guys are content with feminine or less-feminine girls, that girls aren't as content with less-masculine guys, and that this gives the latter less social bargaining power. If males are desperate for females, what have males that haven't been male in the conventional way to offer that gives others an incentive to respect them?

What say you, NSG?

The article was disappointing; it wasn't all it was cracked out to be!

That said, there was one funny meme, the one where the guy's/girl's complaining about people bitching about America having no Culture, and then citing big buildings and burgers as examples of American Culture...