The NationStates Feminist Thread II

[Proctopeo]

You can say that, but then you can give up any ethical authority for feminism. It does nothing with regard to sexism, and is nothing more than a political devotion serving the interest of its constituents.

You know, like the conservative block.

It does a lot for women, and that's the mission of Feminism.
Feminism definition, from our OP:
"The advocacy of women's rights on the grounds of equality to men"
My definition is:
"The advocacy of women's rights and women's empowerment on the grounds of equality to men"

I'm of the camp that movements should be defined by their actions, and that the dictionary, in the case of movements, is an ideal that may not reflect the truth. Simply saying that a movement does things because its definition says so isn't sufficient.

[Galloism]

As I was driving home yesterday from the airport (a very long way), I realized that some of you might be thinking I am being extremely hyperbolic. I assure you that I am not.

By way of explaining what I mean - that Chessmistress is deliberately encouraging rape - allow me to posit you a hypothetical person that probably actually exists.

This person is a young woman. We'll say 20. She reads the feminist thread and takes Chessmistress as an authority on feminism and gender relations because she claims to be the one true feminist. Let's say this woman is very naive and takes her posts at face value instead of recognizing them for the giant mountain of bullshit that they are.

Tonight, she goes to a party. It's saturday night after all. She's in college, and that party has lots of alcohol and drugs because, hey, it's one of those kinds of parties.

She sees this guy. He's 21. She's loved him since she started college a year ago, but he's never really paid attention to her. He's so drugged out of his mind he thinks he's a piano. Or he's so drunk he's passed out or nearly so. Or some combination thereof. She wants to have sex with him. She loves him, but she pauses for a moment. He's really out of it.

I stopped here.
She loves him and she wish have sex with him for the very first time when he's out-of-mind?
Really?
Unrealistic.

Extremely realistic. I've talked to dozens of men raped by a woman because he was drunk or high, and the girl was too afraid of rejection to approach him while he was sober. So they decided to approach while he was drunk or high instead, to minimize the chances of rejection.

When the guy tries to tell the woman that was wrong, she's incredulous - because of sexist bullshit like you just posted.

Stop encouraging rape.

What kind of car were you driving?

Don't change the subject from your rape support.

[Chessmistress]

I stopped here.
She loves him and she wish have sex with him for the very first time when he's out-of-mind?
Really?
Unrealistic.

Extremely realistic. I've talked to dozens of men raped by a woman because he was drunk or high, and the girl was too afraid of rejection to approach him while he was sober. So they decided to approach while he was drunk or high instead, to minimize the chances of rejection.

When the guy tries to tell the woman that was wrong, she's incredulous - because of sexist bullshit like you just posted.

Stop encouraging rape.

*yawn*
We all known that mating strategies are different and that's related to biology.
That doesn't mean that's right to have sex with a man who is untoxicated: she should be punished.
I just think that given such difference in mating strategies the harm is not the same as the harm that a woman would suffer in the same situation.
And I'll cite your personal case as example, hoping you'll understand and you will not be hypocritical while answering.
You have been robbed, abandoned in an horrible place, and when you woke up you were soaring.
That's horrible.
Also because it includes two more crimes, not just only sexual abuse.
Do you think that you would have felt abused if those two women would have had sex with you when you were intoxicated, BUT then you would have woke up in their bed, with both them smiling and giving you a coffee? Without having been robbed, of course?

What kind of car were you driving?

Don't change the subject from your rape support.

I was actually quite interested about such detail, however it doesn't matter.

[New Edom]

Extremely realistic. I've talked to dozens of men raped by a woman because he was drunk or high, and the girl was too afraid of rejection to approach him while he was sober. So they decided to approach while he was drunk or high instead, to minimize the chances of rejection.

When the guy tries to tell the woman that was wrong, she's incredulous - because of sexist bullshit like you just posted.

Stop encouraging rape.

*yawn*
We all known that mating strategies are different and that's related to biology.
That doesn't mean that's right to have sex with a man who is untoxicated: she should be punished.
I just think that given such difference in mating strategies the harm is not the same as the harm that a woman would suffer in the same situation.
And I'll cite your personal case as example, hoping you'll understand and you will not be hypocritical while answering.
You have been robbed, abandoned in an horrible place, and when you woke up you were soaring.
That's horrible.
Also because it includes two more crimes, not just only sexual abuse.
Do you think that you would have felt abused if those two women would have had sex with you when you were intoxicated, BUT then you would have woke up in their bed, with both them smiling and giving you a coffee? Without having been robbed, of course?

Don't change the subject from your rape support.

I was actually quite interested about such detail, however it doesn't matter.

I posted a response to you on the other page, did you miss it?

[The Grene Knyght]

Extremely realistic. I've talked to dozens of men raped by a woman because he was drunk or high, and the girl was too afraid of rejection to approach him while he was sober. So they decided to approach while he was drunk or high instead, to minimize the chances of rejection.

When the guy tries to tell the woman that was wrong, she's incredulous - because of sexist bullshit like you just posted.

Stop encouraging rape.

*yawn*
We all known that mating strategies are different and that's related to biology.
That doesn't mean that's right to have sex with a man who is untoxicated: she should be punished.
I just think that given such difference in mating strategies the harm is not the same as the harm that a woman would suffer in the same situation.
And I'll cite your personal case as example, hoping you'll understand and you will not be hypocritical while answering.
You have been robbed, abandoned in an horrible place, and when you woke up you were soaring.
That's horrible.
Also because it includes two more crimes, not just only sexual abuse.
Do you think that you would have felt abused if those two women would have had sex with you when you were intoxicated, BUT then you would have woke up in their bed, with both them smiling and giving you a coffee? Without having been robbed, of course?

I struggle to find a response to this that demonstrates what this makes me feel without saying something that might attract mods' attention

[Uiiop]

Extremely realistic. I've talked to dozens of men raped by a woman because he was drunk or high, and the girl was too afraid of rejection to approach him while he was sober. So they decided to approach while he was drunk or high instead, to minimize the chances of rejection.

When the guy tries to tell the woman that was wrong, she's incredulous - because of sexist bullshit like you just posted.

Stop encouraging rape.

*yawn*
We all known that mating strategies are different and that's related to biology.
That doesn't mean that's right to have sex with a man who is untoxicated: she should be punished.
I just think that given such difference in mating strategies the harm is not the same as the harm that a woman would suffer in the same situation.
And I'll cite your personal case as example, hoping you'll understand and you will not be hypocritical while answering.
You have been robbed, abandoned in an horrible place, and when you woke up you were soaring.
That's horrible.
Also because it includes two more crimes, not just only sexual abuse.
Do you think that you would have felt abused if those two women would have had sex with you when you were intoxicated, BUT then you would have woke up in their bed, with both them smiling and giving you a coffee? Without having been robbed, of course?

Don't change the subject from your rape support.

I was actually quite interested about such detail, however it doesn't matter.

Only if i didn't know what happened otherwise obviously yes.
Why the hell would the but change anything?
I mean if i cut someone's arm off while they're unconscious grinning and giving them a drink even if it's a good drink wouldn't change jack shit about the nature of my crimes.
What's different here?

[Galloism]

Extremely realistic. I've talked to dozens of men raped by a woman because he was drunk or high, and the girl was too afraid of rejection to approach him while he was sober. So they decided to approach while he was drunk or high instead, to minimize the chances of rejection.

When the guy tries to tell the woman that was wrong, she's incredulous - because of sexist bullshit like you just posted.

Stop encouraging rape.

*yawn*

Yes, you encouraging rape must be so boring to you.

We all known that mating strategies are different and that's related to biology.
That doesn't mean that's right to have sex with a man who is untoxicated: she should be punished.

Then STOP TELLING HER ITS OK AND HES IN A DEFAULT STATE OF CONSENT ANYWAY.

This isn't hard.

I just think that given such difference in mating strategies the harm is not the same as the harm that a woman would suffer in the same situation.
And I'll cite your personal case as example, hoping you'll understand and you will not be hypocritical while answering.
You have been robbed, abandoned in an horrible place, and when you woke up you were soaring.
That's horrible.
Also because it includes two more crimes, not just only sexual abuse.
Do you think that you would have felt abused if those two women would have had sex with you when you were intoxicated, BUT then you would have woke up in their bed, with both them smiling and giving you a coffee? Without having been robbed, of course?

Precisely two things would have changed. Keep in mind I was a police officer at the time. I would have immediately arrested them for assault & battery for the drugging.

A few years later, when I realized that was rape (keep in mind, I did not cognitively connect that it was rape to have sex with a man without his consent), I would have gone back to the prosecuting attorney and filed charges for sexual battery in the first degree (which is basically synonymous with rape under Florida law). It was still within the statute of limitations.

Don't change the subject from your rape support.

I was actually quite interested about such detail, however it doesn't matter.

No. It doesn't.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I stopped here.
She loves him and she wish have sex with him for the very first time when he's out-of-mind?
Really?
Unrealistic.

It's not really unrealistic.

I've had desire to have sex with women before, but have stopped when I realized they were drunk.

It had nothing to do with the fact it is rape though, but because even if it wasn't legally rape, I find it unpleasant to sleep with someone whose drunkenness is in the way of knowing if she'd otherwise consent being sober. After all, I like to know the girls I am attracted to would fuck my brains out if they were sober and conscious of what's going on.

[Giovenith]

Do you think that you would have felt abused if those two women would have had sex with you when you were intoxicated, BUT then you would have woke up in their bed, with both them smiling and giving you a coffee? Without having been robbed?

Wow, Chess. I thought even you were above the, "it's not rape if you liked it" excuse.

"I guess you shouldn't rape men, but even if you do it's not too big a tragedy because men always love having sex and would more likely than not say yes under sober circumstances anyway, so it's a victimless crime really." - This is literally what you've just said. I don't even know how to reply to that, it's one of those things that's just so blatantly and obviously despicable and disgusting that my brain can't even understand the need to explain it, it feels like all I should need to do is just point it out and have everyone instinctively understand what's wrong with it, but that evidently doesn't work here.

[Galloism]

I stopped here.
She loves him and she wish have sex with him for the very first time when he's out-of-mind?
Really?
Unrealistic.

It's not really unrealistic.

I've had desire to have sex with women before, but have stopped when I realized they were drunk.

It had nothing to do with the fact it is rape though, but because even if it wasn't legally rape, I find it unpleasant to sleep with someone whose drunkenness is in the way of knowing if she'd otherwise consent being sober. After all, I like to know the girls I am attracted to would fuck my brains out if they were sober and conscious of what's going on.

Thing is though, you haven't been fed the bullshit that women will thank you when they wake up if you have sex with them while they're unconscious.

Women have been taught that about men, because society teaches them that men are never raped no matter what they do and that men are in a default state of consent.

It's monstrous.

[The Grene Knyght]

Do you think that you would have felt abused if those two women would have had sex with you when you were intoxicated, BUT then you would have woke up in their bed, with both them smiling and giving you a coffee? Without having been robbed?

Wow, Chess. I thought even you were above the, "it's not rape if you liked it" excuse.

"I guess you shouldn't rape men, but even if you do it's not too big a tragedy because men always love having sex and would more likely than not say yes under sober circumstances anyway, so it's a victimless crime really." - This is literally what you've just said. I don't even know how to reply to that, it's one of those things that's just so blatantly and obviously despicable and disgusting that my brain can't even understand the need to explain it, it feels like all I should need to do is just point it out and have everyone instinctively understand what's wrong with it, but that evidently doesn't work here.

Honestly I felt a bit sick reading what Chess said there. And I don't mean that in a figurative sense. Like I felt genuine physical and emotional disgust, to the point of feeling like puking.

[Galloism]

Wow, Chess. I thought even you were above the, "it's not rape if you liked it" excuse.

"I guess you shouldn't rape men, but even if you do it's not too big a tragedy because men always love having sex and would more likely than not say yes under sober circumstances anyway, so it's a victimless crime really." - This is literally what you've just said. I don't even know how to reply to that, it's one of those things that's just so blatantly and obviously despicable and disgusting that my brain can't even understand the need to explain it, it feels like all I should need to do is just point it out and have everyone instinctively understand what's wrong with it, but that evidently doesn't work here.

Honestly I felt a bit sick reading what Chess said there. And I don't mean that in a figurative sense. Like I felt genuine physical and emotional disgust, to the point of feeling like puking.

Thing is, what she said is probably less sexist on average than what I've heard over the years.

It's still disgusting by any reasonable metric, but I've even had it suggested/joked about that on the balance, "getting laid" and "losing a few personal items" was a good trade.

Specifically, by the officer who took my statement.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Wait. Did Chess actually justified women on men rape? Wow.

[The Grene Knyght]

Wait. Did Chess actually justified women on men rape? Wow.

its not rape if they make u coffee after uwu
edit: feel this goes without saying but /s

[Giovenith]

How is what she said seriously any different from when that Turner kid's dad described what he did as "15 minutes of action"? Or when it's said that lesbians, feminists, and other "bitches" just need "a good dicking" to be changed? Or when people think that just because a woman has had sex with many other people she will and should have sex with them?

No, Chess. Men do not fucking enjoy getting raped. Men are not "programmed" to say yes. Those hypothetical women in your scenario need to get that smoldering hot coffee thrown right back in their smiling little rapist bitch faces before the rest of them is thrown into prison. A real prison by the way, not the back-patting, "women are angels by default," "aww you were just lashing out at an unfair society" bullshit female prisons you've proposed here in the past.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Thing is though, you haven't been fed the bullshit that women will thank you when they wake up if you have sex with them while they're unconscious.

Women have been taught that about men, because society teaches them that men are never raped no matter what they do and that men are in a default state of consent.

It's monstrous.

Society teaches men that they should always be ready to have sex.

This, in turn, translates into women's misconceptions that men should always be ready to have sex and that if they're not they don't like you.

I've found this particular dynamic warped, myself, as I was growing up and I was told repeatedly that men should be sex magnets, by my siblings (who, honestly, tended to sound like they wanted to have my body everytime they went "if I had your body I'd be fucking around so much", like, Jesus motherfucker, chill).

[Soldati Senza Confini]

How is what she said seriously any different from when that Turner kid's dad described what he did as "15 minutes of action"? Or when it's said that lesbians, feminists, and other "bitches" just need "a good dicking" to be changed? Or when people think that just because a woman has had sex with many other people she will and should have sex with them?

No, Chess. Men do not fucking enjoy getting raped. Men are not "programmed" to say yes. Those hypothetical women in your scenario need to get that smoldering hot coffee thrown right back in their smiling little rapist bitch faces before the rest of them is thrown into prison. A real prison by the way, not the back-patting, "women are angels by default," "aww you were just lashing out at an unfair society" bullshit female prisons you've proposed here in the past.

Actually many countries, including the U.S., have female prisons.

They'd laugh at Chess' proposal right off the bat, from the administrators to the prisoners.

[Galloism]

Thing is though, you haven't been fed the bullshit that women will thank you when they wake up if you have sex with them while they're unconscious.

Women have been taught that about men, because society teaches them that men are never raped no matter what they do and that men are in a default state of consent.

It's monstrous.

Society teaches men that they should always be ready to have sex.

This, in turn, translates into women's misconceptions that men should always be ready to have sex and that if they're not they don't like you.

I've found this particular dynamic warped, myself, as I was growing up and I was told repeatedly that men should be sex magnets, by my siblings (who, honestly, tended to sound like they wanted to have my body everytime they went "if I had your body I'd be fucking around so much", like, Jesus motherfucker, chill).

You have creepy siblings.

[The Grene Knyght]

Society teaches men that they should always be ready to have sex.

This, in turn, translates into women's misconceptions that men should always be ready to have sex and that if they're not they don't like you.

I've found this particular dynamic warped, myself, as I was growing up and I was told repeatedly that men should be sex magnets, by my siblings (who, honestly, tended to sound like they wanted to have my body everytime they went "if I had your body I'd be fucking around so much", like, Jesus motherfucker, chill).

You have creepy siblings.

Seconded.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Society teaches men that they should always be ready to have sex.

This, in turn, translates into women's misconceptions that men should always be ready to have sex and that if they're not they don't like you.

I've found this particular dynamic warped, myself, as I was growing up and I was told repeatedly that men should be sex magnets, by my siblings (who, honestly, tended to sound like they wanted to have my body everytime they went "if I had your body I'd be fucking around so much", like, Jesus motherfucker, chill).

You have creepy siblings.

I know, made me feel uncomfortable as fuck.

Thank God I don't have to talk with them anymore though.

However, one of the things I think should be done is get rid of this... "hypersexuality" of men. I don't mean get rid of sexuality, but of the notion that men use sexual expressions, and only sexual expressions, to demonstrate they like someone.

[Stellonia]

Wait. Did Chess actually justified women on men rape? Wow.

Shock of the century. Who knew she was such a misandrist?[/sarcasm]

[Giovenith]

How is what she said seriously any different from when that Turner kid's dad described what he did as "15 minutes of action"? Or when it's said that lesbians, feminists, and other "bitches" just need "a good dicking" to be changed? Or when people think that just because a woman has had sex with many other people she will and should have sex with them?

No, Chess. Men do not fucking enjoy getting raped. Men are not "programmed" to say yes. Those hypothetical women in your scenario need to get that smoldering hot coffee thrown right back in their smiling little rapist bitch faces before the rest of them is thrown into prison. A real prison by the way, not the back-patting, "women are angels by default," "aww you were just lashing out at an unfair society" bullshit female prisons you've proposed here in the past.

Actually many countries, including the U.S., have female prisons.

They'd laugh at Chess' proposal right off the bat, from the administrators to the prisoners.

I know. In fact, one memory I've wound up keeping with me was an episode of "Scared Straight" where several delinquent girls were shown a women's prison in order to be warned about what could be waiting for them if they kept up their behavior. There was a lot of footage dedicated to showing how the female prisons were every bit as insane and violent as their male counterparts. The prisoners said things like, "I'm in here for first degree murder, you think I won't kill you too, bitch?" and "If you were here I'd make you my girlfriend. Oh you didn't know women can rape women? This sponge is going right up you," and you really could just tell by the looks in their eyes that they meant every bit of it. They weren't these traumatized and confused little angels who just made terrible mistakes and needed to be guided back, they would rip your throat out with your teeth no question.

I didn't really consciously question that women could be violent before that, however it did expose some of my own biases about the nature of female violence. Crimes committed by women tend to be portrayed in stories as almost glamorous, whether it be a femme fatale armed with poison, a tragic ragged-haired Ophelia with a butcher knife, or a BDSM-esque action girl with martial arts, and always spoken about with these calm, sultry tones. It was kind of a wake up call to instead see loud, dirty, shiv-wielding psychopaths about three times my own size. One prisoner forced one of the girls to undo her hair and wash off her make up with little more than commands ("What you think you're pretty bitch? Take that shit out of your hair, you ain't pretty!"), that's how raw and forceful they were.


Kind of offtopic, but I just thought it was relevant and interesting to share.

Thing is though, you haven't been fed the bullshit that women will thank you when they wake up if you have sex with them while they're unconscious.

Women have been taught that about men, because society teaches them that men are never raped no matter what they do and that men are in a default state of consent.

It's monstrous.

Society teaches men that they should always be ready to have sex.

This, in turn, translates into women's misconceptions that men should always be ready to have sex and that if they're not they don't like you.

I've found this particular dynamic warped, myself, as I was growing up and I was told repeatedly that men should be sex magnets, by my siblings (who, honestly, tended to sound like they wanted to have my body everytime they went "if I had your body I'd be fucking around so much", like, Jesus motherfucker, chill).

The sad thing is, once upon a time women were held to the same expectation, that they should always be ready for sex. At least with women though, this expectation only extended to their husbands and there was something of an acknowledgement that they didn't necessarily like it but that they just had to grit their teeth and bare it. "Lay back and think of England" and all. With men, they're outright expected to make themselves ready for any random douche who wants them and their individual opinions and feelings in the matter are not just ignored but completely denied to them, replaced instead with a false narrative about how they must want it, a mass gaslighting.

Boiling other human beings down to nothing more than sex androids is one of the lowest forms of dehumanization, and I have no sympathy for any form it rears it's ugly head in.

[New Edom]

Honestly I felt a bit sick reading what Chess said there. And I don't mean that in a figurative sense. Like I felt genuine physical and emotional disgust, to the point of feeling like puking.

Thing is, what she said is probably less sexist on average than what I've heard over the years.

It's still disgusting by any reasonable metric, but I've even had it suggested/joked about that on the balance, "getting laid" and "losing a few personal items" was a good trade.

Specifically, by the officer who took my statement.

Here is a segment of an interview with Mary Koss, who is certainly an eminent proponent of rape culture statistics--the 2 in 5/4/whatever comes largely from her research and those who followed her.

Theresa Phung: “For the men who are traumatized by their experiences because they were forced against their will to vaginally penetrate a woman..”

Dr. Mary P. Koss: “How would that happen…how would that happen by force or threat of force or when the victim is unable to consent? How does that happen?”

Theresa Phung: “So I am actually speaking to someone right now. his story is that he was drugged, he was unconscious and when he awoke a woman was on top of him with his penis inserted inside her vagina, and for him that was traumatizing.

Dr. Mary P. Koss: “Yeah.”

Theresa Phung: “If he was drugged what would that be called?”

Dr. Mary P. Koss: “What would I call it? I would call it ‘unwanted contact’.”

Theresa Phung: “Just ‘unwanted contact’ period?”

Dr. Mary P. Koss: “Yeah.”

So bear in mind: this is not something Chessmistress came up with on her own. This is something that comes from at least one person who is a major figure in feminist theory. Koss' ideas fuel the notion of how rape culture works, and the modern continuations of that build on her work. It is not an accident that pepole like Chessmistress believe this.

[Giovenith]

I stopped here.
She loves him and she wish have sex with him for the very first time when he's out-of-mind?
Really?
Unrealistic.

Also, I'm sick of this, "women are just too filled with pure love and goodness to do anything like that" schtick. Why wouldn't she? Why the fuck not? What gives you the idea that there's no women out there twisted enough to be completely satisfied with fulfilling their attraction to someone through criminal means, maybe even preferring to do so? It's impossible for her to be okay with fucking him while he's out cold - why? Because Chessmistress said so!

Chess, you are not some on high God with special knowledge about the inner workings of individual men and women. You have absolutely no justification or authority to be saying shit like "rape doesn't bother men as much" or "well a woman just wouldn't enjoy having sex with an unconscious person." You are not a man and you are not an expert on women by just by being one or by calling yourself a feminist, none of this is for you to fucking decide, you don't get to speak on behalf of other people's feelings and natures.

[Galloism]

I stopped here.
She loves him and she wish have sex with him for the very first time when he's out-of-mind?
Really?
Unrealistic.

Also, I'm sick of this, "women are just too filled with pure love and goodness to do anything like that" schtick. Why wouldn't she? Why the fuck not? What gives you the idea that there's no women out there twisted enough to be completely satisfied with fulfilling their attraction to someone through criminal means, maybe even preferring to do so? It's impossible for her to be okay with fucking him while he's out cold - why? Because Chessmistress said so!

Chess, you are not some on high God with special knowledge about the inner workings of individual men and women. You have absolutely no justification or authority to be saying shit like "rape doesn't bother men as much" or "well a woman just wouldn't enjoy having sex with an unconscious person." You are not a man and you are not an expert on women by just by being one or by calling yourself a feminist, none of this is for you to fucking decide, you don't get to speak on behalf of other people's feelings and natures.

It's the "women are wonderful" notion.

I honestly liked Time Magazine's take on it:

For the most part, feminists’ reactions to reports of female violence toward men have ranged from dismissal to outright hostility. Straus chronicles a troubling history of attempts to suppress research on the subject, including intimidation of heretical scholars of both sexes and tendentious interpretation of the data to portray women’s violence as defensive. In the early 1990s, when laws mandating arrest in domestic violence resulted in a spike of dual arrests and arrests of women, battered women’s advocates complained that the laws were “backfiring on victims,” claiming that women were being punished for lashing back at their abusers. Several years ago in Maryland, the director and several staffers of a local domestic violence crisis center walked out of a meeting in protest of the showing of a news segment about male victims of family violence. Women who have written about female violence, such as Patricia Pearson, author of the 1997 book When She Was Bad: Violent Women and the Myth of Innocence, have often been accused of colluding with an anti-female backlash.

But this woman-as-victim bias is at odds with the feminist emphasis on equality of the sexes. If we want our culture to recognize women’s capacity for leadership and competition, it is hypocritical to deny or downplay women’s capacity for aggression and even evil. We cannot argue that biology should not keep women from being soldiers while treating women as fragile and harmless in domestic battles. Traditional stereotypes both of female weakness and female innocence have led to double standards that often cause women’s violence—especially against men—to be trivialized, excused, or even (like Solange’s assault on Jay Z) treated as humorous. Today, simplistic feminist assumptions about male power and female oppression effectively perpetuate those stereotypes. It is time to see women as fully human—which includes the dark side of humanity.

http://time.com/2921491/hope-solo-women-violence/