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It seems Israel's feelings supersede free speech

Postby MERIZoC » Thu Jul 20, 2017 12:36 pm

https://theintercept.com/2017/07/19/u-s-lawmakers-seek-to-criminally-outlaw-support-for-boycott-campaign-against-israel/

THE CRIMINALIZATION OF political speech and activism against Israel has become one of the gravest threats to free speech in the West. In France, activists have been arrested and prosecuted for wearing T-shirts advocating a boycott of Israel. The U.K. has enacted a series of measures designed to outlaw such activism. In the U.S., governors compete with one another over who can implement the most extreme regulations to bar businesses from participating in any boycotts aimed even at Israeli settlements, which the world regards as illegal. On U.S. campuses, punishment of pro-Palestinian students for expressing criticisms of Israel is so commonplace that the Center for Constitutional Rights refers to it as “the Palestine Exception” to free speech.

But now, a group of 43 senators — 29 Republicans and 14 Democrats — wants to implement a law that would make it a felony for Americans to support the international boycott against Israel, which was launched in protest of that country’s decades-old occupation of Palestine. The two primary sponsors of the bill are Democrat Ben Cardin of Maryland and Republican Rob Portman of Ohio. Perhaps the most shocking aspect is the punishment: Anyone guilty of violating the prohibitions will face a minimum civil penalty of $250,000 and a maximum criminal penalty of $1 million and 20 years in prison.

The proposed measure, called the Israel Anti-Boycott Act (S. 720), was introduced by Cardin on March 23. The Jewish Telegraphic Agency reports that the bill “was drafted with the assistance of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee.” Indeed, AIPAC, in its 2017 lobbying agenda, identified passage of this bill as one of its top lobbying priorities for the year.

The bill’s co-sponsors include the senior Democrat in Washington, Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, his New York colleague Kirsten Gillibrand, and several of the Senate’s more liberal members, such as Ron Wyden of Oregon, Richard Blumenthal of Connecticut, and Maria Cantwell of Washington. Illustrating the bipartisanship that AIPAC typically summons, it also includes several of the most right-wing senators such as Ted Cruz of Texas, Ben Sasse of Nebraska, and Marco Rubio of Florida.

A similar measure was introduced in the House on the same date by two Republicans and one Democrat. It has already amassed 234 co-sponsors: 63 Democrats and 174 Republicans. As in the Senate, AIPAC has assembled an impressive ideological diversity among supporters, predictably including many of the most right-wing House members — Jason Chaffetz, Liz Cheney, Peter King — along with the second-ranking Democrat in the House, Steny Hoyer.

Among the co-sponsors of the bill are several of the politicians who have become political celebrities by positioning themselves as media leaders of the anti-Trump #Resistance, including three California House members who have become heroes to Democrats and staples of the cable news circuit: Ted Lieu, Adam Schiff, and Eric Swalwell. These politicians, who have built a wide public following by posturing as opponents of authoritarianism, are sponsoring one of the most oppressive and authoritarian bills that has pended before Congress in quite some time.


One would think that there's a free honorary birthright trip for sucking AIPAC's dick the hardest or something, cause damn, this is just incredible. Bipartisanship really is lovely isn't it? Maybe we disagree on gun control, but at least both sides can get together to make sure that people who tell you not to buy Sabra hummus get locked up for 20 years.

I think the best part is that these morons don't even know what the fuck they're signing on to.
Meanwhile, some co-sponsors seemed not to have any idea what they co-sponsored — almost as though they reflexively sign whatever comes from AIPAC without having any idea what’s in it. Democratic Sen. Gary Peters of Michigan, for instance, seemed genuinely bewildered when told of the ACLU’s letter, saying, “What’s the Act? You’ll have to get back to me on that.”

A similar exchange took place with another co-sponsor, one of AIPAC’s most reliable allies, Democratic Sen. Bob Menendez of New Jersey, who said: “I’d want to read it. … I’d really have to look at it.”

Sen. Claire McCaskill, D-Mo., a co-sponsor, said she hadn’t seen the ACLU letter but would give it a look. “I certainly will take their position into consideration, just like I take everybody’s position into consideration,” she said.

Gillibrand, the only senator in the 2020 presidential mix to co-sponsor the bill, told The Intercept she would have a statement to provide, which we’ll add as soon as it’s provided.

Perhaps most stunning is our interview with the primary sponsor of the bill, Democratic Sen. Benjamin Cardin, who seemed to have no idea what was in his bill, particularly insisting that it contains no criminal penalties.

You'd think they could at least read a brief that a staffer put together, but apparently not. Too busy exposing Russian Interference or something. I have no doubts that this will be struck down by the courts if it somehow gets voted through, but I just think it goes to show how monumentally stupid and callous the people who rule us are. Any thoughts on why this is, folks?

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Postby Gauthier » Thu Jul 20, 2017 12:37 pm

But when Turkey cracks down on free speech that's a bad thing.
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Postby Diopolis » Thu Jul 20, 2017 12:38 pm

Anything even slightly offensive to Jews has been regarded as orders of magnitude worse than insulting anyone else for quite some time. This isn't exactly news.
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Postby Calladan » Thu Jul 20, 2017 6:04 pm

Out of curiousness, does this mean all the people who have been labelling Corbyn, and some other members of the Labour Party as anti-Semitic because they have been attacking Israel for its policies are now going to start rethinking their baseless attacks? Or are they still going to assume that anyone who attacks Israel clearly hates ALL Jewish people and must be on the side of neo-Nazi's everywhere in wanting all Jews to die a horrible, painful death, instead of possibly just being against the government of a country that - apparently - doesn't want any one in the world to be critical of it, and are willing to do anything to prevent such criticism including, apparently, getting American law makers to write laws that would violate its own constitution?

As I said - I am just curious.

Note - I am clearly not a Constitutional Scholar, but one would assume that putting someone in jail for refusing to buy a product from Israel would violate some part of a document that is supposedly the bedrock for life, liberty and the pursuit of justice.
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Postby Ever Victorious Iron Willed Commanders » Thu Jul 20, 2017 6:07 pm

This is an assault on liberty. Anti-Israelism is NOT the same as anti-Semitism. There are plenty of Jews who do not support every single action Israel takes.
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Postby Costa Fierro » Thu Jul 20, 2017 6:07 pm

This means 90% of 4chan will end up in prison. I'm OK with that.
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Postby Gloriana Americana » Thu Jul 20, 2017 6:09 pm

I completely support a two-state solution and think this is absurd. If they can criticize Palestine and praise Israel, they should be able to do the opposite as well. It's only fair.

It's not anti-Semitic.
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Postby Democratic Communist Federation » Thu Jul 20, 2017 6:16 pm

IMO, the problem is nationalism itself. Any state needs to be international and run by the workers.
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Postby Athrax » Thu Jul 20, 2017 6:25 pm

I've never been entirely comfortable with the BDS movement. While I understand their frustrations with Israel's actions and their desire to push for change, I've often detected a degree of anti-Semitism running as an undercurrent (or occasionally worse than undercurrent) in the motivation. That being said, boycotting and advocating a boycott against a nation is older than the US itself and I cannot think of a more clear expression of the freedom of speech and freedom of expression, and find this legislation to be a gross violation of American civil rights.

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Postby Sovaal » Thu Jul 20, 2017 6:34 pm

And even farther does my faith in humanity drop.
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Postby Geilinor » Thu Jul 20, 2017 6:54 pm

Gauthier wrote:But when Turkey cracks down on free speech that's a bad thing.

It is. So is this but I doubt it was intentional.
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Postby Vespalia » Thu Jul 20, 2017 6:57 pm

Costa Fierro wrote:This means 90% of 4chan will end up in prison. I'm OK with that.

So would I...except that they probably will evade punishment while the actual BDS movement doesn't.
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Postby Gauthier » Thu Jul 20, 2017 7:05 pm

You'd think Steve Bannon would put a stop to this.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Thu Jul 20, 2017 7:07 pm

Support of the Israeli ethnic cleansing is the only thing Democrats and Republicans can agree on, evidently.

Both parties are chock full of neocons, we learned that with the Iraq War.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Thu Jul 20, 2017 7:30 pm

the fuck

I don't know what's worse: the idea that all of these loons support that bill, or that idea that all of these morons didn't read it.
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Postby FelrikTheDeleted » Thu Jul 20, 2017 7:51 pm

Well, I think this is stupid.

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Postby Katganistan » Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:01 pm

I doubt it would stand pass muster if SCOTUS were to have a case stemming from this law come before it.

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Postby The Corparation » Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:06 pm

If this passes chances and is enforced the ACLU will definitely take it to court. I'm confident they'd be able to win that fight.

Costa Fierro wrote:This means 90% of 4chan will end up in prison. I'm OK with that.

/pol/ is not 90% of 4chan. It's a containment board. Most of the rest of the site doesn't care.
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Postby Gauthier » Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:11 pm

The Corparation wrote:If this passes chances and is enforced the ACLU will definitely take it to court. I'm confident they'd be able to win that fight.

Costa Fierro wrote:This means 90% of 4chan will end up in prison. I'm OK with that.

/pol/ is not 90% of 4chan. It's a containment board. Most of the rest of the site doesn't care.

Containment inevitably fails.
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Postby Major-Tom » Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:12 pm

Gauthier wrote:But when Turkey cracks down on free speech that's a bad thing.


It still is? Jesus...

When Israel does it it's bad too...

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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:12 pm

The Corparation wrote:If this passes chances and is enforced the ACLU will definitely take it to court. I'm confident they'd be able to win that fight.

Costa Fierro wrote:This means 90% of 4chan will end up in prison. I'm OK with that.

/pol/ is not 90% of 4chan. It's a containment board. Most of the rest of the site doesn't care.

Eh, /pol/ is one of the most used boards, and a lot of the site culture comes from there and /a/. There are boards that mostly hate /pol/, but /pol/ has a big presence in most boards.

aut/his/tic and fa/tg/uy reporting in. Neither board is dominated by /pol/, but there's some /pol/ shilling and even parody of it. Whether we want to admit it or not, it's a major part of the site culture.

/mlp/ is a containment board, /pol/ is one of the big ones, probably only behind /b/ and /a/.
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Postby Gauthier » Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:16 pm

Major-Tom wrote:
Gauthier wrote:But when Turkey cracks down on free speech that's a bad thing.


It still is? Jesus...

When Israel does it it's bad too...

But as the article mentions, Western nations make it a crime to hurt Israel's fee-fees.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:18 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:
It still is? Jesus...

When Israel does it it's bad too...

But as the article mentions, Western nations make it a crime to hurt Israel's fee-fees.

Poor Israel, with its sensitive feelings, and compassionate military hardened population...
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Postby Proctopeo » Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:19 pm

There are many ways to make people not blindly hate something, make the UN not dedicate too much time to too little, and to make people not quietly antisemitic.

This is not one of those ways. Possible solutions are, respectively; inundate people with truth; reform; call it out and make them drop the "quietly", if anyone was curious.

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