Stupid Crap Teachers Told You

[UnhealthyTruthseeker]

Im a R.E class of mine.

Teacher: Freedoms are important, none should be held above the other, freedom of speech, religion, life, they are all important and must not be repressed, its not something we do in this country.
Student: Ok. I disagree with Islam
Teacher: Why?
Student: Because it represses females, children and gives excuse for people to murder.
Teacher: Get out.
Me: Why did you send him out?
Teacher: I wont have comments like that im my classroom.
Me: But you just said freedom of speech was important.
Teacher: Yes
Me: The why send him out?
Teacher: He insulted someone’s religion
Me: But you just repressed his speech, for that matter shouldn’t someone be punished if they kill in the name of their religion?
Teacher: Get out.

Welcome to political correctness. When you axiomize tolerance, you end up with a shitpile of contradictions and inconsistencies in your ethos.

[Dyakovo]

yay! UnhealthyTruthseeker agrees with me on something

I said the same thing about induction, deduction, ect and did not get the best response. Hopefully you will have better luck.

Like hell I agree with you. Teenagers are always automatically wrong. How do I prove this? With a technique called proof by Neo Art said so.

Neo Art wasn't saying that all teenagers are always wrong, he was making fun of someone whose insistence that they were right was based on all their experience and yet all that experience was only 14-15 years of life...

Far too many teenagers think that their miniscule life experience makes them experts on pretty much everything upon which they have an opinion.

[Rhodmhire]

Im a R.E class of mine.

*snip*

If you ever happen to run into that teacher again, let him know Rhodmhire thinks he's pretty epic for having the audacity to actually stifle the rights students don't have for once.

[UnhealthyTruthseeker]

Neo Art wasn't saying that all teenagers are always wrong, he was making fun of someone whose insistence that they were right was based on all their experience and yet all that experience was only 14-15 years of life...

Far too many teenagers think that their miniscule life experience makes them experts on pretty much everything upon which they have an opinion.

And far too many more people seem to think that life experience is a good substitute for actual epistemic justification.

[Panzerjaeger]

Im a R.E class of mine.

Teacher: Freedoms are important, none should be held above the other, freedom of speech, religion, life, they are all important and must not be repressed, its not something we do in this country.
Student: Ok. I disagree with Islam
Teacher: Why?
Student: Because it represses females, children and gives excuse for people to murder.
Teacher: Get out.
Me: Why did you send him out?
Teacher: I wont have comments like that im my classroom.
Me: But you just said freedom of speech was important.
Teacher: Yes
Me: The why send him out?
Teacher: He insulted someone’s religion
Me: But you just repressed his speech, for that matter shouldn’t someone be punished if they kill in the name of their religion?
Teacher: Get out.

That was hilarious. I enjoyed teachers like that in High School it took very little to rile them up.

[Natapoc]

Im a R.E class of mine.

Teacher: Freedoms are important, none should be held above the other, freedom of speech, religion, life, they are all important and must not be repressed, its not something we do in this country.
Student: Ok. I disagree with Islam
Teacher: Why?
Student: Because it represses females, children and gives excuse for people to murder.
Teacher: Get out.
Me: Why did you send him out?
Teacher: I wont have comments like that im my classroom.
Me: But you just said freedom of speech was important.
Teacher: Yes
Me: The why send him out?
Teacher: He insulted someone’s religion
Me: But you just repressed his speech, for that matter shouldn’t someone be punished if they kill in the name of their religion?
Teacher: Get out.

Welcome to political correctness. When you axiomize tolerance, you end up with a shitpile of contradictions and inconsistencies in your ethos.

Only if you axiomize it in an inconsistent and stupid way. The teacher could have chosen 1 of several paths from there:

a) Okay you have the right to express your opinion no matter how much I disagree with it. Lets continue to discuss the fundamental right to free speech.
b) Okay you have the right to express your opinion no matter how much I disagree with it. Would anyone else like to speak on this topic to offer an alternative viewpoint to the one presented by (anti islamic student) ?

See right here the teacher had an opportunity to create an actual educational experience... Instead he/she killed it.

[UnhealthyTruthseeker]

Only if you axiomize it in an inconsistent and stupid way. The teacher could have chosen 1 of several paths from there:

a) Okay you have the right to express your opinion no matter how much I disagree with it. Lets continue to discuss the fundamental right to free speech.
b) Okay you have the right to express your opinion no matter how much I disagree with it. Would anyone else like to speak on this topic to offer an alternative viewpoint to the one presented by (anti islamic student) ?

See right here the teacher had an opportunity to create an actual educational experience... Instead he/she killed it.

You cannot make tolerance an absolute requirement and simultaneously make free speech an absolute right. This is a self-contradiction. It thus necessarily follows that you can axiomize (i.e. make absolute) either tolerance or free speech, or neither for that matter. You just can't make both axiomatic. That being said, absolute tolerance on it's own leads to paradoxes like "Should we tolerate intolerance?"

Tolerance makes sense WHEN it is justified, and even then, tolerance does not superceade free speech.

[Hydesland]

The same way anyone else does, principles of deduction, induction, and abduction, combined with a consistent and rational epistemology.

Oh wait, how silly of me, I forgot, this person is beneath the arbitrary age of maturity that has been absolutely and objectively determined by our government. It thus necessarily follows that whatever they say is wrong. In fact, if they make a correct statement, it instantly becomes incorrect because somebody under [16, 17, 18, 21] said so. That's right, teenagers have the power to rewrite the laws of logic on a single statement. Amazing.

That was one mega strawman.

[Cabra West]

One of our teachers told us that humans need meat for a balanced diet...

Funny story that... Buddy of mine took a class in college, bio class of some stripe if I recall. One project they were given was to design a feasible diet for someone that used absolutely no meat, and it had to work over a persons lifespan. EVERYONE in his class reached the conclusion that unless you consume something in the realm of three thousand calories a day, you'll eventually(about forty years after you start the veggie diet, depending how well you plan it) develop various nutritional deficiencies. Now, I'm sure this didn't take into account things like vitamin pills etc. but I just thought it was a funny story I'd share with the interwebs. Please do not ask me to make any explanations of any data involved. I'm only relating data as it was told to me. Hate on him or his teacher.

So, Indian Hindus living on a vegetarian diet would all have deficiencies on reaching about 40 years of age?

[Natapoc]

Only if you axiomize it in an inconsistent and stupid way. The teacher could have chosen 1 of several paths from there:

a) Okay you have the right to express your opinion no matter how much I disagree with it. Lets continue to discuss the fundamental right to free speech.
b) Okay you have the right to express your opinion no matter how much I disagree with it. Would anyone else like to speak on this topic to offer an alternative viewpoint to the one presented by (anti islamic student) ?

See right here the teacher had an opportunity to create an actual educational experience... Instead he/she killed it.

You cannot make tolerance an absolute requirement and simultaneously make free speech an absolute right. This is a self-contradiction. It thus necessarily follows that you can axiomize (i.e. make absolute) either tolerance or free speech, or neither for that matter. You just can't make both axiomatic. That being said, absolute tolerance on it's own leads to paradoxes like "Should we tolerate intolerance?"

Tolerance makes sense WHEN it is justified, and even then, tolerance does not superceade free speech.

Some people try to define tolerance in a way I find silly. I would disagree with you and say that tolerance is actually necessary for speech to be truly free. The teacher in this case was not being tolerant but rather intolerant of the beliefs of the other two students. The tolerant attitude permits the speech of people one finds disdainful while the intolerant refuses to tolerate such speech.

tolerance

# permissiveness: a disposition to allow freedom of choice and behavior
# the act of tolerating something
# willingness to recognize and respect the beliefs or practices of others
# allowance: a permissible difference; allowing some freedom to move within limits

[UnhealthyTruthseeker]

That was one mega strawman.

He was dismissing someone's opinion automatically because they were too young to suit him. I just took his idea to a hyperbolic limit and added a healthy dose of extreme sarcasm. Common, you don't think I was being serious, do you?

[Saint Jade IV]

I would really prefer if you did not refer to me as an ultra-authoritarian.

The above arguments are sufficient to restrict peoples' rights because the people in question are teenagers. They do not have the mental reasoning capacity of a fully grown adult, nor the reasoning capacity to see the consequences of their choices in the same way as an adult.

I am inclined to agree with you that a strong authority figure is necessary for a functional work area, but I find your reasoning for it both flawed and condescending. Teenagers - bear in mind that this term includes people old enough to vote, drive a car, have sex, get married and go to University - do not have a lower reasoning capacity of a fully grown adult. They are not infants; they are able to understand the consequences of their actions. The difference is that, when adolescents are operating in the class room environment, this is the first time they are experiencing a strictly regulated working environment. If you took a group of adults, gave them a relaxed life up to 30 and then dumped them into work, they would act in the exact same way as a teenager in Senior School. It is all about conditioning.

So yeah, can we please leave out the "It's for their own good because teenagers are idiots" rhetoric?

I am by no means suggesting that they are idiots, or uninformed or any of those things. The reason that we don't charge teenagers as adults for crimes (at least in the civilised world) is because we recognise that their cognitive functioning, particularly when it comes to judging whether the consequences of their actions are worth it is lower than that of an adult in most cases. They do not have the same levels of control over their emotions or behaviour that an adult should. And therefore, they get to be treated a little differently. They get their rights at school restricted. They get to wear a uniform. They get to be punished for misbehaviour with detentions (a joke option here - we can't keep them for more than 10 minutes of their lunchbreak - the darlings have to have "socialisation" time).

[Sierra Systems]

You must be like a 50 year old bitter teacher then. What the hell kind of discipline can a uniform actually enforce? There's really no real reason to even have a stupid rule such as that. Also that coke thing is incredibly stupid. Who the fuck makes a rule such as that?

Well I'm a 25-year-old teacher and so far everything Saint Jade has said I would agree with. It seems you're not interested in discussion - your argument is made up entirely of saying "That's stupid" or ad hom attacks.

Uniforms are a great way to identify students, for good reasons and bad. As someone has already pointed out, it helps keep tabs on truants. My school gets a lot of praise from the community for how our students behave in public - something that wouldn't be possible if the community couldn't identify them. Most students need a reminder at the start of the year that their uniform tells everyone who they are, and they act responsible in public knowing that they're representing the school.

Here's a little scenario for you: Last week, I (with five other teachers) took 180 students to the aquarium. There was another school group there at the same time, students roughly the same age as my own. I relied on uniforms to find and track down my kids. In the semi-lit environment with literally hundreds of kids running around, how would you tell your students apart from the crowd?

When I was in school, all of like five years ago, we always behaved ourselves in public because we were in public. I could have given two shits about my schools reputation, I do the things I do for myself. I can't really say that I think a uniform does anything to keep kids that are jackasses from being that way, and doesn't encourage the ones who will behave to behave. The jackass may be good on the surface, but I'd rather have them be an ass where I can see it, so I know to guard against it, rather than have it maybe come and hit me from left field.

[Greater Tezdrian]

America is BEST.

[Dazchan]

You must be like a 50 year old bitter teacher then. What the hell kind of discipline can a uniform actually enforce? There's really no real reason to even have a stupid rule such as that. Also that coke thing is incredibly stupid. Who the fuck makes a rule such as that?

Well I'm a 25-year-old teacher and so far everything Saint Jade has said I would agree with. It seems you're not interested in discussion - your argument is made up entirely of saying "That's stupid" or ad hom attacks.

Uniforms are a great way to identify students, for good reasons and bad. As someone has already pointed out, it helps keep tabs on truants. My school gets a lot of praise from the community for how our students behave in public - something that wouldn't be possible if the community couldn't identify them. Most students need a reminder at the start of the year that their uniform tells everyone who they are, and they act responsible in public knowing that they're representing the school.

Here's a little scenario for you: Last week, I (with five other teachers) took 180 students to the aquarium. There was another school group there at the same time, students roughly the same age as my own. I relied on uniforms to find and track down my kids. In the semi-lit environment with literally hundreds of kids running around, how would you tell your students apart from the crowd?

Only stupid kids would even be wearing the school uniforms if they were truant. Smart ones would obviously take a change of clothing and put it in their bag. You really couldn't yet again only stupid kids would even try to skip during that period. Most of the time they would get suspended/expelled for it. I still stand by my point that school uniforms are stupid.

You overestimate the intelligence of kids who skip school and yet again fail to give any good reason why "school uniforms are stupid".

You wouldn't last a minute in my class. My fourth graders have stronger reasoning skills than you've demonstrated here.

[Rejistania]

Im a R.E class of mine.

Teacher: Freedoms are important, none should be held above the other, freedom of speech, religion, life, they are all important and must not be repressed, its not something we do in this country.
Student: Ok. I disagree with Islam
Teacher: Why?
Student: Because it represses females, children and gives excuse for people to murder.
Teacher: Get out.
Me: Why did you send him out?
Teacher: I wont have comments like that im my classroom.
Me: But you just said freedom of speech was important.
Teacher: Yes
Me: The why send him out?
Teacher: He insulted someone’s religion
Me: But you just repressed his speech, for that matter shouldn’t someone be punished if they kill in the name of their religion?
Teacher: Get out.

epic!

[Natapoc]

You overestimate the intelligence of kids who skip school and yet again fail to give any good reason why "school uniforms are stupid".

You wouldn't last a minute in my class. My fourth graders have stronger reasoning skills than you've demonstrated here.

You really have a demeaning attitude for other people who choose to not attend your classes. It is so sad how the institution of compulsory public education warps the minds of educators in such a way as to turn them against students.

Many teachers of course recognize the shared humanity of children and treat them as equals.

[Dazchan]

You must be like a 50 year old bitter teacher then. What the hell kind of discipline can a uniform actually enforce? There's really no real reason to even have a stupid rule such as that. Also that coke thing is incredibly stupid. Who the fuck makes a rule such as that?

Well I'm a 25-year-old teacher and so far everything Saint Jade has said I would agree with. It seems you're not interested in discussion - your argument is made up entirely of saying "That's stupid" or ad hom attacks.

Uniforms are a great way to identify students, for good reasons and bad. As someone has already pointed out, it helps keep tabs on truants. My school gets a lot of praise from the community for how our students behave in public - something that wouldn't be possible if the community couldn't identify them. Most students need a reminder at the start of the year that their uniform tells everyone who they are, and they act responsible in public knowing that they're representing the school.

Here's a little scenario for you: Last week, I (with five other teachers) took 180 students to the aquarium. There was another school group there at the same time, students roughly the same age as my own. I relied on uniforms to find and track down my kids. In the semi-lit environment with literally hundreds of kids running around, how would you tell your students apart from the crowd?

When I was in school, all of like five years ago, we always behaved ourselves in public because we were in public. I could have given two shits about my schools reputation, I do the things I do for myself. I can't really say that I think a uniform does anything to keep kids that are jackasses from being that way, and doesn't encourage the ones who will behave to behave. The jackass may be good on the surface, but I'd rather have them be an ass where I can see it, so I know to guard against it, rather than have it maybe come and hit me from left field.

So you didn't care about your school's reputation, even though it would reflect upon you as a student there?

[Dazchan]

You really have a demeaning attitude for other people who choose to not attend your classes.

No, i just recognise that those who skip school are routinely caught because they're in uniform. I speak from experience.

Further, if the best he can come up with is "Nuh-uh, uniforms are stupid", then he's demeaning himself without my help.

It is so sad how the institution of compulsory public education warps the minds of educators in such a way as to turn them against students.

So by holding a belief (backed up by evidence) that uniforms are a good thing I'm "against students"? Or is it my expectation that students obey rules that shows that I'm "against students"? No really, I'm honestly curious how I'm "against students", given that I've dedicated almost a decade of my life to them.

Many teachers of course recognize the shared humanity of children and treat them as equals.

Yeah, they're the ones who resign early in their careers, unable to cope with the students who walk all over them. Students are not and can not be equal to teachers.

[Blouman Empire]

I was told that everyone's opinion is equally valid and that all opinions matter.

That was just so you weren't felt left out.

[Blouman Empire]

My history teacher once said that "When America was created, the founding fathers were thinking of switching the national language to German...

When the nation was founded, German WAS a contender for national language!

I think the section that was crap was the if the US spoke German they would've been on the side of the Axis.

[Buffett and Colbert]

There was always something about this "Golden Rule" crap...

[2nd PLT]

My history teacher once said that "When America was created, the founding fathers were thinking of switching the national language to German...

When the nation was founded, German WAS a contender for national language!

I think the section that was crap was that if the US spoke German they would've been on the side of the Axis.

That's what I was saying, That was the point of my story.
I guess I should've tried to make that clear.

[Blouman Empire]

My 4th grade teacher sent me to the principals office for correcting her statement that Mt. Everest is the tallest in the world. I pointed out that it was actually Mauna Kea. I argued the point, got the class encyclopedia out to prove her wrong and she sent me to the office for insubordination and 'back talk'. As I left the class she was saying that underwater mountains didn't count.

Well, that was just a pointless argument. That would be like me insisting o my teacher the moon doesn't have a face: DOES IT REALLY MATTER?

Also it can be shown to be incorrect as it isn't the highest from sea level.

[Omigodtheykilledkenny]

Pluto is a planet.