Abortion: Pro-Choice or Pro-Life?

[Wallenburg]

If God didn't want us to have abortions then why did he make us smart enough to do them so easily?

Well, technically that was Eve's doing. I can't say I'm surprised. Women always trying to murder their innocent babies...

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[Godular]

If God didn't want us to have abortions then why did he make us smart enough to do them so easily?

Well, technically that was Eve's doing. I can't say I'm surprised. Women always trying to murder their innocent babies...

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The depressing thing is that some folks would take that seriously... and agree with you.

[Ashlak]

I am personally pro-choice. If the "pro-life" people really want to see the rate of abortion decline, they'd be in full support of readily available birth control along with comprehensive sex education. And it seems like most of them are not.

[Godular]

I am personally pro-choice. If the "pro-life" people really want to see the rate of abortion decline, they'd be in full support of readily available birth control along with comprehensive sex education. And it seems like most of them are not.

This is also why I start to laugh when I hear somebody say that pro-life is pro-woman... before getting angry.

[Othelos]

I'm pro-choice, mainly because pregnancy is risky and damages the body, so a woman should be able to decide whether or not to go through with it.

[Wallenburg]

I'm pro-choice, mainly because pregnancy is risky and damages the body, so a woman should be able to decide whether or not to go through with it.

Abortion is also risky and damages the body, although I don't know the metrics to compare the two. Just sayin'.

[Othelos]

I'm pro-choice, mainly because pregnancy is risky and damages the body, so a woman should be able to decide whether or not to go through with it.

Abortion is also risky and damages the body, although I don't know the metrics to compare the two. Just sayin'.

forcing a watermelon out of your nostril vs a booger.

[Godular]

I'm pro-choice, mainly because pregnancy is risky and damages the body, so a woman should be able to decide whether or not to go through with it.

Abortion is also risky and damages the body, although I don't know the metrics to compare the two. Just sayin'.

Life is risky and damages the body, too! And on this I am 100% certain.

[Farnhamia]

Abortion is also risky and damages the body, although I don't know the metrics to compare the two. Just sayin'.

forcing a watermelon out of your nostril vs a booger.

That was your 11,111th post.

[Wallenburg]

forcing a watermelon out of your nostril vs a booger.

That was your 11,111th post.

His 11,111th post outside of Forum 7. Not nearly as fun.

[Free Wexford]

I am Pro-Choice. However I tend to be in the weird position of defending the pro-lifers. So many Pro-Choice people make shit arguments. The most common and stupidest being "It's her body" the stupid thing about this is it is a flat out non-argument. The majority of anti abortion people are against abortion because they see it as murder. Yelling it is my choice just sounds like saying "It is my choice to murder" at least to them. Another stupid thing they tend to do is decry everyone who disagrees a sexist. Once again a Non-argument that in alot of cases boils down to unfounded character assassination.

[Farnhamia]

I am Pro-Choice. However I tend to be in the weird position of defending the pro-lifers. So many Pro-Choice people make shit arguments. The most common and stupidest being "It's her body" the stupid thing about this is it is a flat out non-argument. The majority of anti abortion people are against abortion because they see it as murder. Yelling it is my choice just sounds like saying "It is my choice to murder" at least to them. Another stupid thing they tend to do is decry everyone who disagrees a sexist. Once again a Non-argument that in alot of cases boils down to unfounded character assassination.

And the anti-choice people brand everyone who disagrees with them as a murderer. My argument is, it's not a baby and it's not any of your business.

[Godular]

I am Pro-Choice. However I tend to be in the weird position of defending the pro-lifers. So many Pro-Choice people make shit arguments. The most common and stupidest being "It's her body" the stupid thing about this is it is a flat out non-argument. The majority of anti abortion people are against abortion because they see it as murder. Yelling it is my choice just sounds like saying "It is my choice to murder" at least to them. Another stupid thing they tend to do is decry everyone who disagrees a sexist. Once again a Non-argument that in alot of cases boils down to unfounded character assassination.

Didn't read the OP +1

[Mefpan]

I am Pro-Choice. However I tend to be in the weird position of defending the pro-lifers. So many Pro-Choice people make shit arguments. The most common and stupidest being "It's her body" the stupid thing about this is it is a flat out non-argument. The majority of anti abortion people are against abortion because they see it as murder. Yelling it is my choice just sounds like saying "It is my choice to murder" at least to them. Another stupid thing they tend to do is decry everyone who disagrees a sexist. Once again a Non-argument that in alot of cases boils down to unfounded character assassination.

There's only so much you can do when the other side in an argument isolates themselves in a castle of false information and deliberate lies.

Because it is the woman's body, first and foremost. Unless we start forcing people to serve as biological life support for the diseased, there is no precedent other than "it's always been this way" to make an exception for the unborn. You'd have to start convicting people for murder because they failed to donate blood or organs because they refused to help in keeping someone alive.

And...many pro-birthers are actually quite sexist in the way they argue, what with pregnancy becoming a punishment if you follow their arguments to the logical conclusion.

[Dyakovo]

I am Pro-Choice. However I tend to be in the weird position of defending the pro-lifers. So many Pro-Choice people make shit arguments. The most common and stupidest being "It's her body" the stupid thing about this is it is a flat out non-argument. The majority of anti abortion people are against abortion because they see it as murder. Yelling it is my choice just sounds like saying "It is my choice to murder" at least to them. Another stupid thing they tend to do is decry everyone who disagrees a sexist. Once again a Non-argument that in alot of cases boils down to unfounded character assassination.

So it's not the women's body? Whose is it then?

[Neutraligon]

I am Pro-Choice. However I tend to be in the weird position of defending the pro-lifers. So many Pro-Choice people make shit arguments. The most common and stupidest being "It's her body" the stupid thing about this is it is a flat out non-argument. The majority of anti abortion people are against abortion because they see it as murder. Yelling it is my choice just sounds like saying "It is my choice to murder" at least to them. Another stupid thing they tend to do is decry everyone who disagrees a sexist. Once again a Non-argument that in alot of cases boils down to unfounded character assassination.

So it's not the women's body? Whose is it then?

I still haven't gotten an answer from pro-life people to the question of where the body of the fetus ends and the body of the woman begins (or the body of the woman ends and the body of the fetus begins). Clearly the womb is part of the body of the mother. Is the umbilical chord part of the body of the fetus or the mother(I assume fetus)? What about the placenta(no idea)?

[Free Wexford]

I am Pro-Choice. However I tend to be in the weird position of defending the pro-lifers. So many Pro-Choice people make shit arguments. The most common and stupidest being "It's her body" the stupid thing about this is it is a flat out non-argument. The majority of anti abortion people are against abortion because they see it as murder. Yelling it is my choice just sounds like saying "It is my choice to murder" at least to them. Another stupid thing they tend to do is decry everyone who disagrees a sexist. Once again a Non-argument that in alot of cases boils down to unfounded character assassination.

And the anti-choice people brand everyone who disagrees with them as a murderer. My argument is, it's not a baby and it's not any of your business.

I can agree to it not being a baby that is the point Pro-Choice people should use as an argument. As for it not being you business this is only true if you believe the earlier statement to be true. Pro-Life people don't accept that a fetus is not a baby. Thus in their eyes killing the fetus is the same as killing a baby. Killing babies is of course murder and I doubt you will be against getting in the business of a child murderer.

[Godular]

And the anti-choice people brand everyone who disagrees with them as a murderer. My argument is, it's not a baby and it's not any of your business.

I can agree to it not being a baby that is the point Pro-Choice people should use as an argument. As for it not being you business this is only true if you believe the earlier statement to be true. Pro-Life people don't accept that a fetus is not a baby. Thus in their eyes killing the fetus is the same as killing a baby. Killing babies is of course murder and I doubt you will be against getting in the business of a child murderer.

No person has the right to use another person's body against their will.

[Greater Gibraltar]

From the moment of conception, a baby has its own HUMAN DNA, making it its own HUMAN BEING worthy of protection.

[Godular]

From the moment of conception, a baby has its own HUMAN DNA, making it its own HUMAN BEING worthy of protection.

Second verse, same as the first.

Also, I guess you're also saying what the woman thinks of the situation is wholly unimportant?

[The Alma Mater]

From the moment of conception, a baby has its own HUMAN DNA, making it its own HUMAN BEING worthy of protection.

But is it worthy of MORE protection than any other type of human ?

[Free Wexford]

I can agree to it not being a baby that is the point Pro-Choice people should use as an argument. As for it not being you business this is only true if you believe the earlier statement to be true. Pro-Life people don't accept that a fetus is not a baby. Thus in their eyes killing the fetus is the same as killing a baby. Killing babies is of course murder and I doubt you will be against getting in the business of a child murderer.

No person has the right to use another person's body against their will.

If aborting a fetus was the same as killing a baby I would be against it [in most cases at least].

[Godular]

No person has the right to use another person's body against their will.

If aborting a fetus was the same as killing a baby I would be against it [in most cases at least].

That really doesn't address the point. I really do recommend reading the whole OP.

[Ifreann]

From the moment of conception, a baby has its own HUMAN DNA, making it its own HUMAN BEING worthy of protection.

Second verse, same as the first.

But a little bit louder. A little bit worse.

[Free Wexford]

If aborting a fetus was the same as killing a baby I would be against it [in most cases at least].

That really doesn't address the point. I really do recommend reading the whole OP.

You have no idea what point I am making. What I am saying is that pro-life people believe killing a fetus to be the same as killing a baby. Thus screaming it is my choice is a non argument because it just ignores flat out what pro-life people believe. If killing a fetus was the same as killing a baby then I would be against it. Would you? If not why? If it is because you think the woman suffering through child birth is worse than killing a baby(remember pro-life people believe abortion to to be the same as killing a baby) then we have a moral disagreement and at this point the argument becomes pointless.