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Postby Dyakovo » Tue Jul 28, 2015 6:28 am

Big Jim P wrote:
The Conez Imperium wrote:
I'd love that to happen but realistically America is too deep-seated in gun culture for any restriction to happen.

Unless we completely restructure their social/political system. Nuremberg trials ?


There are already plenty of restrictions.

Yes and no...
For the most part, the necessary restrictions are in place... However, they need to be better enforced and have loopholes closed.
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Postby Sociobiology » Tue Jul 28, 2015 7:31 am

LA Cheese wrote:
Osnil wrote:Less guns=more shootings
More guns=less shootings

Criminals are cowards. If they knew that fifteen people in a room had a gun, they wouldn't do it You never hear of shootings in the 1800s because people had guns for defense. If people wave signs over their heads and properties saying, "No guns" they get robbed or shot at.

However, the problem does not lie with gun laws. It lies with culture-we have way too many violent, Satanic video games and movies.


there was actually a school shooting in the 1800s

there were several, and a few mass shootings, impressive since repeating firearms were only invented in the 1830's
However mass shootings aren't effected by gun laws one way or the other, the homicide rate however is as the ease by which we let criminals and the mentally ill acquire handguns leads to escalation, turning nonviolent crimes into violent crimes.
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Postby Alyakia » Tue Jul 28, 2015 7:34 am

Osnil wrote:Less guns=more shootings
More guns=less shootings

Criminals are cowards. If they knew that fifteen people in a room had a gun, they wouldn't do it You never hear of shootings in the 1800s because people had guns for defense. If people wave signs over their heads and properties saying, "No guns" they get robbed or shot at.

However, the problem does not lie with gun laws. It lies with culture-we have way too many violent, Satanic video games and movies.


The earliest known United States shooting to happen on school property was the Pontiac's Rebellion school massacre on July 26, 1764, where four Lenape American Indians entered the schoolhouse near present-day Greencastle, Pennsylvania, shot and killed schoolmaster Enoch Brown, and killed nine or ten children (reports vary). Only three children survived.[1]
19th century
1850s

September 28, 1850: West Chester, Pennsylvania, At the Rocky Hill schoolhouse, students found their young teacher (about 18), Rachael Sharpless shot dead in the doorway of the school. George Pharoah, 19 years old, shot her while hiding behind a tree as she was unlocking the door. He used a copy of the Saturday Evening Post in a wad to muffle the sound, where parts of the magazine were found at the scene and in his pockets.[2]
November 2, 1853: Louisville, Kentucky, The student Matthew Ward bought a pistol in the morning, went to school and killed the schoolmaster Mr. Butler, as revenge for what Ward thought was excessive punishment of his brother the day before. Ward was acquitted.[3]
August 16, 1856: Florence, Alabama, The school master had a tame sparrow of which he was very fond, and had warned the students that if any of them killed it, they will die by his hands. By accident, or intentionally, one of the boys stepped on the bird and killed it. Alarmed by the threats, the boy was afraid to return to school, but the Master begged him to come back. He did so, and after the lessons were finished, he took the boy into a private room, and strangled him. Upon the boy's father hearing what had occurred, he loaded his gun and went and shot the schoolmaster dead.[4]
July 6, 1858: Baltimore, Maryland, the 15yr old son of Col. John T. Farlow (Baltimore's Marshal of Police 1867-70), was shot to death during a Sabbath School gathering. The perpetrator escaped, but several arrests were made.[5]
September 11, 1859: Oakland, California, Edward Carpenter accidentally shot himself dead while hunting on campus; he was one of the few students permitted to have a firearm at school.[6]

1860s

January 21, 1860: Todd County, Kentucky, A son of Col. Elijah Sebree was shot dead by another student. Young Sebree was threatening the other boy and intended to kill him. Whereupon he armed himself and walked deliberately up to Sebree, in the schoolhouse, and shot him dead.[7]
During the American Civil War (1861-1865), many atrocities were committed, even against school children, as reported in the Memphis Daily, Nashville Patriot, and the Raleigh Standard;

"On Thursday. Oct. 10th (1861), a daughter of Mr. Hunter, (who runs the ferry between Loudon and Harper's Ferry,) a little girl only nine years of age, was killed by the enemy. She was playing beside the river, when a Yankee soldier, on the opposite side, deliberately shot her through the head. The body floated about on the river until recovered, some hours after. The children, while going and returning from school are frequently shot at by the Federal pickets."[8]

By 1863, the state of such cites as Baltimore, Maryland were described as; "...The churches have been greatly injured by shot and shell, and are now closed. Few of the inhabitants know when Sunday comes. The schools have been shot up for more than a year...".[9]

February 6, 1864: Ashland County, Ohio, The school teacher of the Pyfer's School House, George W. Longfelt shot and instantly killed student Alfred Desem, and fled.[10]
February 16, 1867: Knights Ferry, California, Mr. McGinnis was shot and killed by his daughter's teacher after McGinnis threatened the teacher for expelling his daughter from school. When McGinnis's son learned of this, he went to the school and killed the teacher.[11]
April 2, 1867: Madison, Florida, Frank Pope, a pupil at the St. John's seminary shot and killed his teacher Mr. Bristow with a pistol.[12]
June 8, 1867: New York City, Arthur Day, a 13-year-old boy, secretly took a loaded pistol to Public School No. 18 to shoot a dog he said had bitten him. While playing with the pistol, Day accidentally shot and injured classmate Robert Morton.[13]
December 22, 1868: Chattanooga, Tennessee, A boy who refused to be whipped by his teacher, left the school. The next day he returned with his brother and a friend for revenge. Not finding the teacher at the school, they continued to his house, where a gun battle took place and three died. Only the boy survived.[14]

1870s

January 27, 1871: Knoxville, Tennessee, John Roberts, a little boy of ten or twelve, accidentally had one of his eyes shot out at school and died.[15]
June 23, 1871: Lagrange, Indiana, Miss Anna Dwight was shot to death in front of her students by Chauncey Barnes a rejected suitor, at the Stone Lake Schoolhouse. After shooting Dwight, Barnes shot himself twice in the head.[16]
February 1, 1872: Washington, Pennsylvania, At the all girls Union School, son of Col. Norton McGiffin, and brother of Naval Hero Philo McGiffin, Thomas McGiffen, 17yrs old, shot in the hip and seriously wounded the principal, Prof. Wilson, because the professor refused to deliver a note to one of the young ladies for him.[17]
February 11, 1873 Wisconsin, A father shot the school mistress for whipping his son[18]
March, 1873: Iowa, Elvina Stickney, a school girl, shot her teacher because he was not in love with her. Elvina was pronounced insane.[19]
March 7, 1873: Salisbury, Maryland, On leaving school, teacher Miss Shockley was shot by 19-year-old George W. Hall. She died almost instantly. Four small children walking with the teacher were unharmed. The next night, Hall threw himself under a train, completing the incident as a murder-suicide.[20]

The issue of students carrying guns to school was a topic of discussion dating to the mid-1870s, as noted in this 1874 Los Angeles Herald article:

"Boys and Pistols Yesterday at noon a boy sixteen years of age shot himself, or was shot by his brother. It matters not who fired the fatal shot. No criminal act was intended or committed, and the boy is dead. He was a member of the High School of this city and was, we are told, something over the average good boy of Los Angeles. This boy lost his life through the too common habit among boys of carrying deadly weapons. We do not know that this habit can be broken up. We do not know that school teachers have the right, or would exercise it if they had, of searching the pockets of their pupils, but it seems almost a necessity that some such rule be enforced. The hills west of town are not safe for pedestrians after school hours. Nearly every school-boy carries a pistol, and the power of these pistols range from the harmless six-bit auction concern to the deadly Colt's six-shooter..."[21]

February 20, 1874: Agency, Montana, After being ejected from school for disobedience, Thomas Sguires, twenty years old, returned to the school yard a day or two later, and fatally shot Prof. Hayes in abdomen three times without warning.[22]
April 16, 1874: Lebanon, Kentucky, John R. Breckinridge, son of the late Robert Jefferson Breckinridge was shot to death at the Law school in Lebanon, Kentucky, by John L. Anderson, the Mayor's son who was reportedly "crazed with liquor".[23]
January 26, 1876: San Francisco, California, A young boy at the Lincoln Primary School accidentally shot himself while playing with a pistol under his desk. His fingers were badly hurt and he received a flesh wound to his leg. The principal, Miss Kate Sullivan, sent him home in the hopes that his parents would teach him to be a little more careful when handling firearms.[24]
December 6, 1877: San Juan Capistrano, California, The schoolmaster committed suicide by shooting himself after hours. He wrote on the blackboard, "May this solve the problem".[25]
May 24, 1878: St. Paul, Minnesota, A boy, Luckert, accidentally shot and wounded another boy, Allie McDonald at the Neill school. The bullet passed out, and the youth was said to recover. Mrs. McDonald went to the police station, but no formal complaint was filed.[26]
May 24, 1879: Lancaster, New York, Frank Shugart, a telegraph operator, shot and severely injured Mr. Carr, Superintendent of the stables at a girls' school.[27]

1880s

July 25, 1880: Baton Rouge, Louisiana, At Sunday School, a young couple Morris Behrues and his newly secretly married girl had carried a shotgun with, because Charles Behrues, Morris' cousin was in love with the girl, and was out to get them. Charles was seen coming towards the building with a shooting iron, when the school's superintendent went out to ward him away. Charles opened fire and killed the superintendent, and shot Morris, and three others.[28]
October 21, 1880: Cincinnati, Ohio, George Gohen, 14yrs old, shot himself un-fatally in the chest at the schoolhouse with a 22-caliber pistol. He tried to commit suicide, because Principal Sands reprimanded him for truancy.[29]
December, 1880: Sacramento, California, As George E. Landers was teaching at the Willow Slough school house, Mrs. Julia A. Finn drove up in a buggy and called out to him. When he came out to talk, Julia ask him to marry her, and he refused. Julia then took out a gun and fired three shots at him, but missed. She was then tried for attempted murder.[30]
December 1, 1881, Santa Monica, California, While working late on the program for the children's concert at the school house, the school master O'Donnell, and one of the parents got into an argument. the parent Williams pulled a gun and fatally shot O'Donnell in the back.[31]
December 22, 1881: Shelby County, Indiana, Charles J. Gregory, a school teacher shot at a pupil, at close range because he refused to write on a slate. The bullet missed the boy, but his face was filled with powder. The teacher was arrested with great excitement.[32]
January, 1882: Iola, Kansas, A group of boys shot into a school house, but no one was hurt. Two of the boys were arrested and pleaded guilty three weeks later. They were fined $9.00 each.[33]
April 13, 1882: Huntsville, Texas, G. W. Gray, a student at the Sam Houston Normal School, shot and wounded another student, M. J. Jordan. They were arguing over a comic valentine that was sent in February.[34]
February 14, 1883: Florence, Nebraska, As some children were playing and throwing snowballs in the front yard of the Ponca Creek school house, a wagon pulled up with three young men who engaged the chidren in a snowball fight. When they were leaving, one of the men pointed his 45 caliber and accidentally shot and killed three of the school girls. Harbaugh, the young shooter, surrendered himself.[35]
November, 1883: Barber County, Kansas, As a bunch of drunken cowboys traveled through the area, they stopped at each schoolhouse forcing the teacher to drink whiskey. They first stopped at the Mayhew schoolhouse and forced teacher, Mr. Beals to drink from the bottle they had. They fired several shots at the next. At the following schoolhouse, on Bluff creek, they shot off the lock, filled the door full of bullets, and shot the lights and windows out. They fired several shots at the next building, doing little damage. Finally, they arrived at District 72's schoolhouse and forced the teacher, John Lowry, to drink whiskey.[36]
January 23, 1884: Sidney, Nebraska, A school boy accidentally shot himself in the hand while fooling around with a pistol. He had pointed the pistol at one of the school girls just moments earlier.[37]
February 28, 1884: Danville, Virginia, As Wamack, a fifteen year old boy drove by a "negro" school house, he called out "school butter." The entire school emptied out and attacked him, several shots were fired at him and he returned fire, shooting two students.[38]
March 6, 1884: Boston, Massachusetts, As news of Jesse James reached the east coast, young kids started to act in the same manner. An article from the New York Times reads,

Another "Jesse James" Gang - Word was brought to the Fifth Police Station to-night that a number of boys were using the Concord-street School-house for some unknown purpose, and a posse of officers was sent to investigate. The gang scattered at the approach of the police, and in their flight one drew a revolver and fired at Officer Rowan, without effect, however. William Nangle, aged 14, and Sidney Duncan, aged 12, were captured, but the other five or six escaped, among them the one who did the shooting. The boys refused to disclose the object of their meeting, but it is thought that another "Jesse James" organization has been broken up.[39]

March 15, 1884: Gainesville, Georgia, In the middle of the day, a group of very drunk Jackson County farmers left the Jug Tavern, drinking and shooting their revolvers as they headed down the street driving people into their homes. As they approached the female academy, the girls fled the schoolyard into the school where the gang followed, swearing and shooting, firing several rounds into the front door. No one was hurt.[40]
June 12, 1887: Cleveland, Tennessee, Will Guess went to the school and fatally shot Miss Irene Fann, his little sister's teacher, for whipping her the day before.[41]
May 17, 1889: Washington, D.C., Sarah E. Allen, a third grade teacher at the Jefferson school, is shot to death in front of her class by her estranged husband Oswald C. Allen, who then turned the gun on himself and committed suicide.[42]
June 13, 1889: New Brunswick, New Jersey, Charles Crawford, upset over an argument with a school Trustee, went up to the window and fired a pistol into a crowded school room. The bullet lodged in the wall just above the teacher's head.[43]

1890s

April 24, 1890: Brazil, Indiana, While the pupils of the Meridian Street School were at play, Ben Corbery drew a revolver and shot Cora Brubach, aged 10, seriously wounding her in the face. The reason for the assault was that the girl had informed the teacher of Ben's misconduct.[44]
December 27, 1890: Staunton, Virginia, At the Kable's Military Academy a 15-year-old student, A. H. Hathaway of Dennison, Texas, was accidentally shot dead by his 17-year-old classmate James Whitworth of Sulphur Springs, Texas while they were playing with an old pistol.[45]
January 20, 1891: Syracuse, New York, In an abusive rage, Wilber F. Baker went to the Bassett Street School, where his wife was teaching, entered the classroom and shot her five times, killing her. He was caught by police after a 40-mile chase.[46]
March 30, 1891: Liberty, Mississippi, During a school exhibition and concert given at the Parson Hill schoolhouse, just as the performances were starting in front of a large mixed audience of black people and white people, crowded with teachers, pupils, and spectators, a double barreled shotgun, heavily charged with shot, was fired into the assemblage by an unknown assailant. 14 people were wounded, some seriously.[47]
April 9, 1891: Newburgh, New York, James Ferguson, 70, fired a shotgun at a group of students in the playground of St. Mary's Parochial School, causing minor injuries to several of the students.[48]
October 10, 1892: At Kansas University, two students, E. Higgins and Jack Craycroft, were shot as they were walking back to their dorm rooms from practicing football at the athletic field by a double barreled shotgun as they passed the home of law student, Fred Basset. Basset said they were warned not to trespass on his farm as students so frequently did.[49]
March 26, 1893: Plain Dealing, Louisiana, During an evening school dance at Plain Dealing High School, a fight broke out. When the smoke cleared; two were shot dead, two more were fatally wounded, and the high school's Professor Johnson was shot in the arm.[50]
October 17, 1894: Brighton, near Parkersburg, West Virginia, when school was let out, Willis Gardner, 15, was shot to death and his 8-year-old brother fatally stabbed.[51]
February 1, 1896: Eureka, California, In the evening, a second attempt was made to burn down the High School Building in a weeks time. However, this time the watchman, shot at the arsonists, and frightened them away.[52]
December 13, 1898: Charles Town, West Virginia, During the School exhibition, a group of young men attempted to break up a student performance. The teacher Fisher, tried to throw the trouble makers out, when the group turned on him and several of the audience members jumped up to assist, when a free for all fight broke out. Harry Flasher was shot in the heart and instantly killed, Henry Carney was fatally shot in the back, Ralph Jones and two others were also fatally shot, George Gibson was shot in the hand, and Haz Harding had his skull crushed and several others received minor wounds[53]
December 28, 1898: Sioux City, Iowa, Teacher, May Thomas was lured out of the schoolhouse by Harry Garvey who was devoted to her, but she had refused his further attentions. He then pulled a revolver out and shot her dead, then killed himself.[54]
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