Trying on Kimono = Cultural Appropriation?

[Aelex]

More like a war museum going "try on a purple heart!" At a display, take a picture, post it online, and feel good about yourself for ingratiating in US military history. All the while, veterans stand by ruining the day, saying this shit is insulting to the people who actually earned it.

Except there is a difference between a dress everyone wore in a country and medal given to some people for their deeds.

[Zanera]

Isn't saying the kimono should only be worn by the Japanese in and of itself racist?

[Egoman]

Cry me a river. Nothing wrong with wearing appropriate accessories to military cosplay.

More like a war museum going "try on a purple heart!" At a display, take a picture, post it online, and feel good about yourself for ingratiating in US military history. All the while, veterans stand by ruining the day, saying this shit is insulting to the people who actually earned it.

How horrible. Those, um, darn hippies...?

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Boohoo, let me cry them a river.

There's nothing wrong with dressing like a priest, so there's nothing wrong with wearing a Native American headdress.

Ah... Shitting on native Americans. A classic 'murican past time.

Shitting on Native Americans and priests is what I do when they say,"M-muh sacredness!"

I'm not saying fuck Native Americans, I'm saying I don't care if they don't like me wearing a headdress. Maybe they shouldn't have cool hats then.

[The Alexanderians]

More like a war museum going "try on a purple heart!" At a display, take a picture, post it online, and feel good about yourself for ingratiating in US military history. All the while, veterans stand by ruining the day, saying this shit is insulting to the people who actually earned it.

How horrible. Those, um, darn hippies...?

It's not like they're stealing valor, for christ's sake.

[Dyakovo]

I'm pretty sure they're less interested in being a Japanese and more interested in emulating a work of art.

Probably.

I think there's also an argument to be made that they are exploring French culture considering whose painting it is, or that a kimono belongs in a New England museum as a part of the local maritime tradition which included trade with Asia. Obviously, the kimono is originally Japanese, but these people aren't appropriating it directly from Japan. They are getting it by way of France, and that sort of Asian-influenced imagery has a long history in European art.

Actually, the kimono is originally Chinese... The Japanese "stole" it from them around the 8th century CE...

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

Cry me a river. Nothing wrong with wearing appropriate accessories to military cosplay.

More like a war museum going "try on a purple heart!" At a display, take a picture, post it online, and feel good about yourself for ingratiating in US military history. All the while, veterans stand by ruining the day, saying this shit is insulting to the people who actually earned it.

What? What? Fucking getting shot is not a prerequisite for wearing a kimono. Please try again.

[Wanderjar]

More like a war museum going "try on a purple heart!" At a display, take a picture, post it online, and feel good about yourself for ingratiating in US military history. All the while, veterans stand by ruining the day, saying this shit is insulting to the people who actually earned it.

The strawman is strong with this one. That's an entirely different thing. A purple heart, medal of honor, etc, is something earned, not something that's just a facet of an ethno-cultural group's look for a specific period of time like the kimono.

[Egoman]

High five, dude. You're awesome.

I do what I can lol

But in all seriousness, how could someone possibly be offended by an individual tacitly saying 'Your cultural heritage is really neat. I wish to emulate it out of respect either as a costume or whatever.' I mean, really? How can I be offended by that as a Seminole/Cherokee?

There are people who are offended because they didn't get a white iPhone they wanted for Christmas and got a black one instead. Just so you know. Weak people have their feels hurt over the smallest things.

[The Carlisle]

More like a war museum going "try on a purple heart!" At a display, take a picture, post it online, and feel good about yourself for ingratiating in US military history. All the while, veterans stand by ruining the day, saying this shit is insulting to the people who actually earned it.

Except there is a difference between a dress everyone wore in a country and medal given to some people for their deeds.

Except both are being treated as side shows to entertain people and not actually reach people what the fuck they are, their meaning, their history, or, fuck, ANYTHING ABOUT THEM besides them being related to the painting they are in front of.

[The Cobalt Sky]

Sounds nice, but let's not dismiss every issue. On the other hand, This one is pretty whack.

Not every single one, of course. Just the ones I don't like.

True I guess. Maybe we'll all evolve into colanders, sifting through other people's crap, separating the important from the mindless.

[Dyakovo]

More like a war museum going "try on a purple heart!" At a display, take a picture, post it online, and feel good about yourself for ingratiating in US military history. All the while, veterans stand by ruining the day, saying this shit is insulting to the people who actually earned it.

Except there is a difference between a dress everyone wore in a country and medal given to some people for their deeds.

As a veteran (and grandson of a veteran who earned a purple heart) I would have no problem with the scenario that TC suggests.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Cry me a river. Nothing wrong with wearing appropriate accessories to military cosplay.

More like a war museum going "try on a purple heart!" At a display, take a picture, post it online, and feel good about yourself for ingratiating in US military history. All the while, veterans stand by ruining the day, saying this shit is insulting to the people who actually earned it.

What war museum does that? Otherwise you just made a pointless strawman hypothetical.

[Egoman]

How horrible. Those, um, darn hippies...?

It's not like they're stealing valor, for christ's sake.

That's the one thing I love. Stealing. Like I steal a culture when I try something on. Stealing is pretty neat. Even my own political philosophy advocates it.

[The Carlisle]

More like a war museum going "try on a purple heart!" At a display, take a picture, post it online, and feel good about yourself for ingratiating in US military history. All the while, veterans stand by ruining the day, saying this shit is insulting to the people who actually earned it.

The strawman is strong with this one. That's an entirely different thing. A purple heart, medal of honor, etc, is something earned, not something that's just a facet of an ethno-cultural group's look for a specific period of time like the kimono.

I must state that the purple heart comparison was born out of the article link divietan about native American head dresses. They, like purple hearts, are earned and wearing one when you haven't earned it is insulting to their culture.

[The Alexanderians]

Am I appropriating Japanese culture when I eat sushi? No.

[The Carlisle]

More like a war museum going "try on a purple heart!" At a display, take a picture, post it online, and feel good about yourself for ingratiating in US military history. All the while, veterans stand by ruining the day, saying this shit is insulting to the people who actually earned it.

What war museum does that? Otherwise you just made a pointless strawman hypothetical.

It was a comparison if you couldn't tell.

[Dyakovo]

More like a war museum going "try on a purple heart!" At a display, take a picture, post it online, and feel good about yourself for ingratiating in US military history. All the while, veterans stand by ruining the day, saying this shit is insulting to the people who actually earned it.

What? What? Fucking getting shot is not a prerequisite for wearing a kimono. Please try again.

Just so you know, "getting shot" is not a prerequisite for getting a purple heart either...

[Alyakia]

Probably.

I think there's also an argument to be made that they are exploring French culture considering whose painting it is, or that a kimono belongs in a New England museum as a part of the local maritime tradition which included trade with Asia. Obviously, the kimono is originally Japanese, but these people aren't appropriating it directly from Japan. They are getting it by way of France, and that sort of Asian-influenced imagery has a long history in European art.

Actually, the kimono is originally Chinese... The Japanese "stole" it from them around the 8th century CE...

>stole their clothes
>stole their written language

poor china...

[Sociobiology]

Potentially wearing a cleavage showing dirndl to a Halloween party is cool. Doesn't make you less of an asshole for bastardizing South German culture for your stupid costume parties.

Hey, that's a really good point. Egoman, close your ears. My wife loves steampunk and every time we go to an event she's got something even more Victorian to wear. If I don't do anything in a year or two it'll be corsets, bustles, and wireframe dresses. I wonder, what is the moral way to respond to this cultural appropriation happening before my eyes? I mean, I can see how other people in this thread can feel justified in ignoring Japan's cultural appropriation of the west, seeing as doing something about it requires effort, but now it's confronting me and I have no way to hide from it.

Right, stop bastardizing american culture by wearing blue jeans!

[Atelia]

As someone who wears traditional clothes from outside my culture group, this is just absolutely ridiculous.

[Dumb Ideologies]

I might be wrong, but "cultural appropriation" as a concept sounds like a load of worthless pretentious wank.

[Egoman]

Except there is a difference between a dress everyone wore in a country and medal given to some people for their deeds.

Except both are being treated as side shows to entertain people and not actually reach people what the fuck they are, their meaning, their history, or, fuck, ANYTHING ABOUT THEM besides them being related to the painting they are in front of.

I'll be sure to congratulate a Japanese tourist for being born Japanese once I congratulate a war veteran for taking a few bullets to the face for me. Because that's totally the same, bronad.

[New Grestin]

I might be wrong, but "cultural appropriation" as a concept sounds like a load of worthless pretentious wank.

That's only because it is, comrade.

[The Alexanderians]

What? What? Fucking getting shot is not a prerequisite for wearing a kimono. Please try again.

Just so you know, "getting shot" is not a prerequisite for getting a purple heart either...

If memory serves it's getting wounded in the line of duty. My uncle was coast guard and got a non-combat purple heart.