Confederate Emblems to be Removed Nationwide.

[Dyakovo]

Maybe find a better way to remind yourselves of your history than flying the flags of traitors who started a war for slavery.

"Traitors" is an emotionally charged, utterly meaningless word. You could just as easily say we shouldn't fly the American flag, because the Founding Fathers were just traitors who won.

Article 3 of the constitution disagrees with your assertion that the word is meaningless. Also, yes, the founding fathers committed treason against the crown. They were fully aware that they were committing treason.

[Dyakovo]

"Traitors" means "people who betray". There should be an entry for it in any decent English dictionary.

The USA is a real country that's spent over 200 years doing various things. The CSA isn't, and really only ever started a war for slavery, and lost that war.

It was a real country for 4 years.

No, it wasn't.

[Ifreann]

Debatable, but my point is that it isn't a country now.

Which doesn't matter.

Of course it does. I was pointing out how the flags of the Confederacy and those of the US are different, since you asserted that if the US flag can be flown then so can the Confederate flags. See, countries that currently exist are going to fly their own flags. That's just a thing that countries do, maybe you've noticed. They fly the flags of other countries that exist sometimes too, when there are visiting dignitaries from that country. But the CSA doesn't exist. So their flag isn't going to get flown in the same sorts of situations as the flags of countries that do exist.

Was there any other part of my post you didn't understand?

By now, you're just trying to cover your ass, and you don't care how hypocritical you look in the process.

No, by now I'm trying to explain to you how the US and Confederate flags are different without confusing you further.

[Dyakovo]

Which doesn't matter.

Of course it does. I was pointing out how the flags of the Confederacy and those of the US are different, since you asserted that if the US flag can be flown then so can the Confederate flags. See, countries that currently exist are going to fly their own flags. That's just a thing that countries do, maybe you've noticed. They fly the flags of other countries that exist sometimes too, when there are visiting dignitaries from that country. But the CSA doesn't exist. So their flag isn't going to get flown in the same sorts of situations as the flags of countries that do exist.

Was there any other part of my post you didn't understand?

By now, you're just trying to cover your ass, and you don't care how hypocritical you look in the process.

No, by now I'm trying to explain to you how the US and Confederate flags are different without confusing you further.

You appear to be failing, through no fault of your own.

[New USAs]

Keep the flag raised as the only reason its apart of the union is because of the government. Should of let them leave and be free as everyone wanted with the UK. I think the southern states earned the right to fly it. I know I have mine on my car even tho i live in Australia.

[Vassenor]

Keep the flag raised as the only reason its apart of the union is because of the government. Should of let them leave and be free as everyone wanted with the UK. I think the southern states earned the right to fly it. I know I have mine on my car even tho i live in Australia.

I'm not sure I understand your logic.

[Ifreann]

Keep the flag raised as the only reason its apart of the union is because of the government. Should of let them leave and be free as everyone wanted with the UK. I think the southern states earned the right to fly it. I know I have mine on my car even tho i live in Australia.

Are you saying the Confederate flags should be flown because they lost? Certainly a novel idea...

[Eastern Equestria]

Why aren't South Carolinians as proud of and as emotionally attached to their state's actual flag? It's really quite nice.

[Galloism]

Hmm, should our government be endorsing an entity that engaged in rebellion in order to protect their right to own people as slaves?

I think that's the question we should be asking ourselves.

And the obvious answer is "no".

Well, obviously, but I wanted to let people draw their own conclusions.

[Ifreann]

Why aren't South Carolinians as proud of and as emotionally attached to their state's actual flag? It's really quite nice.

One does wonder. Does the state flag not adequately represent the state's history?

[Holy Serbia and Montenegro]

Anyone should fly whatever flag they want to fly, don't take their rights away. 1st amendment people. Yeah it's bad, but you realize people actually fly the soviet flag?

I agree.

[Damaged Priseis]

I think people should remove the "Je suis Charlie" from their signatures on NS for the same reason the flag should be taken down, they both represent hate and disrespect.

[Cymrea]

Anyone should fly whatever flag they want to fly, don't take their rights away. 1st amendment people. Yeah it's bad, but you realize people actually fly the soviet flag?

I agree.

The First Amendment doesn't protect hate speech, and given the flag's frequent use as a symbol of the institution of slavery by hate groups and bigots, an argument can be made that the flag itself constitutes hate speech.

The fact that the "Confederate Battle Flag" is flown with active flags is just silly. It wasn't even the flag of the CSA, but I guess this one looks less cool flapping from the back of a lifted, smog-belching, redneck mud-machine:

[Ifreann]

I think people should remove the "Je suis Charlie" from their signatures on NS for the same reason the flag should be taken down, they both represent hate and disrespect.

Yes, obviously the CSA and Charlie Hebdo are morally equivalent.

[Damaged Priseis]

I think people should remove the "Je suis Charlie" from their signatures on NS for the same reason the flag should be taken down, they both represent hate and disrespect.

Yes, obviously the CSA and Charlie Hebdo are morally equivalent.

Yeah you get it. Makes since right?

[Ifreann]

Yes, obviously the CSA and Charlie Hebdo are morally equivalent.

Yeah you get it. Makes since right?

It certainly doesn't make sense.

[Farnhamia]

Why aren't South Carolinians as proud of and as emotionally attached to their state's actual flag? It's really quite nice.

Too ... Islamic. Really, a crescent moon and a palm tree? What is this, Arabia?

[Kelinfort]

Yes, obviously the CSA and Charlie Hebdo are morally equivalent.

Yeah you get it. Makes since right?

Not at all.

[Socialist Tera]

Ban the CSA flag, it represents slavery, hate and racism. Disgusting...

[Herrebrugh]

I agree.

The First Amendment doesn't protect hate speech, and given the flag's frequent use as a symbol of the institution of slavery by hate groups and bigots, an argument can be made that the flag itself constitutes hate speech.

The fact that the "Confederate Battle Flag" is flown with active flags is just silly. It wasn't even the flag of the CSA, but I guess this one looks less cool flapping from the back of a lifted, smog-belching, redneck mud-machine:

That one was only the first flag. The second and the third both incorporate the saltire flag.

[Risottia]

Anyone should fly whatever flag they want to fly, don't take their rights away. 1st amendment people. Yeah it's bad, but you realize people actually fly the soviet flag?

Strawman. This isn't about individuals being barred from flying a flag. It's about governmental offices being barred from it, which is perfectly constitutional. Btw, the First Amendment does NOT recognise an ABSOLUTE freedom of speech.

[Cymrea]

Or hell, if South Carolina wants to fly arbitrary flags, why not just loft the Gamecocks banner?

[Ifreann]

Anyone should fly whatever flag they want to fly, don't take their rights away. 1st amendment people. Yeah it's bad, but you realize people actually fly the soviet flag?

Strawman. This isn't about individuals being barred from flying a flag. It's about governmental offices being barred from it, which is perfectly constitutional. Btw, the First Amendment does NOT recognise an ABSOLUTE freedom of speech.

I bet if the Soviet flag was flown outside any state capitol there would be hell to pay.

[Risottia]

Why aren't South Carolinians as proud of and as emotionally attached to their state's actual flag? It's really quite nice.

Too ... Islamic. Really, a crescent moon and a palm tree? What is this, Arabia?

Well, the palm looks a lot like the Afrika Korps one...

[Socialist Tera]

Strawman. This isn't about individuals being barred from flying a flag. It's about governmental offices being barred from it, which is perfectly constitutional. Btw, the First Amendment does NOT recognise an ABSOLUTE freedom of speech.

I bet if the Soviet flag was flown outside any state capitol there would be hell to pay.

Of course. The CSA flags is used as a rallying point for white nationalists and racism. Absolute freedom of speech does not exist.