Confederate Emblems to be Removed Nationwide.

[The Grey Wolf]

asking nicely

Blowing up Fort Sumter it is.

[Agritum]

You could try asking nicely this time instead of just attacking the federal government.

They did, technically. The CSA formed in February, Fort Sumter was in April.

"Hey guys, maybe we could take a pause before making things go further bad? I mean, we managed to secede nonviolently. That's a plus for eventual negotations."

"SCREW YOU SCALAWAG. RISE SOUTH RISE!"

[Ifreann]

You could try asking nicely this time instead of just attacking the federal government.

They did, technically. The CSA formed in February, Fort Sumter was in April.

Ask nicely and wait for an answer.

[The Grey Wolf]

They did, technically. The CSA formed in February, Fort Sumter was in April.

Ask nicely and wait for an answer.

Or just blow up Fort Sumter.

It has a sort of historical irony to it.

[Nordengrund]

I'm from S.C. but I am neutral either way. If S.C. wants to fly the Confederate flag, let us.
Even though I would not support the Confederacy, I think the flag is an important reminder of our history.

[Dyakovo]

That was a tragedy, this is just sad. They're not mutually exclusive.

I just think it's silly to be emotionally attached to Confederate flags.

Or any flag, really...

[The Grey Wolf]

That was a tragedy, this is just sad. They're not mutually exclusive.

I just think it's silly to be emotionally attached to Confederate flags.

So it shouldn't matter whether or not we put it up then.

Cool.

[Laerod]

I'm from S.C. but I am neutral either way. If S.C. wants to fly the Confederate flag, let us.
Even though I would not support the Confederacy, I think the flag is an important reminder of our history.

Go to a museum.

[Ifreann]

I'm from S.C. but I am neutral either way. If S.C. wants to fly the Confederate flag, let us.
Even though I would not support the Confederacy, I think the flag is an important reminder of our history.

Maybe find a better way to remind yourselves of your history than flying the flags of traitors who started a war for slavery.

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I just think it's silly to be emotionally attached to Confederate flags.

Or any flag, really...

Well, yes, but those flags in particular.

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I just think it's silly to be emotionally attached to Confederate flags.

So it shouldn't matter whether or not we put it up then.

Cool.

How droll.

[Laerod]

I just think it's silly to be emotionally attached to Confederate flags.

Or any flag, really...

But the smell of my West Virginia flag reminds me of catching fireflies in my grandparents' back yard ;_;

[The Grey Wolf]

I'm from S.C. but I am neutral either way. If S.C. wants to fly the Confederate flag, let us.
Even though I would not support the Confederacy, I think the flag is an important reminder of our history.

Maybe find a better way to remind yourselves of your history than flying the flags of traitors who started a war for slavery.

"Traitors" is an emotionally charged, utterly meaningless word. You could just as easily say we shouldn't fly the American flag, because the Founding Fathers were just traitors who won.

[Vassenor]

I just think it's silly to be emotionally attached to Confederate flags.

Or any flag, really...

Well, yeah. The regular US flag is pretty much a religious icon these days.

[Laerod]

Maybe find a better way to remind yourselves of your history than flying the flags of traitors who started a war for slavery.

"Traitors" is an emotionally charged, utterly meaningless word. You could just as easily say we shouldn't fly the American flag, because the Founding Fathers were just traitors who won.

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them,...

[The Grey Wolf]

"Traitors" is an emotionally charged, utterly meaningless word. You could just as easily say we shouldn't fly the American flag, because the Founding Fathers were just traitors who won.

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them,...

That was written after the Founding Fathers committed, guess what, treason against the British government. So the Confederates are traitors of course, but that word is meaningless when you consider how this country was founded.

[Laerod]

That was written after the Founding Fathers committed, guess what, treason against the British government. So the Confederates are traitors of course, but that word is meaningless when you consider how this country was founded.

Not really. You see, the Founding Fathers won.

[Ifreann]

Maybe find a better way to remind yourselves of your history than flying the flags of traitors who started a war for slavery.

"Traitors" is an emotionally charged, utterly meaningless word.

"Traitors" means "people who betray". There should be an entry for it in any decent English dictionary.

You could just as easily say we shouldn't fly the American flag, because the Founding Fathers were just traitors who won.

The USA is a real country that's spent over 200 years doing various things. The CSA isn't, and really only ever started a war for slavery, and lost that war.

[Vassenor]

The USA is a real country that's spend over 200 years doing various things. The CSA isn't, and really only ever started a war for slavery, and lost that war.

History is written by the victors and all that.

[The Grey Wolf]

That was written after the Founding Fathers committed, guess what, treason against the British government. So the Confederates are traitors of course, but that word is meaningless when you consider how this country was founded.

Not really. You see, the Founding Fathers won.

Ah, the old might makes right argument.

Treason is treason regardless of who wins. Look up it's definition.

[Nordengrund]

"Traitors" is an emotionally charged, utterly meaningless word.

"Traitors" means "people who betray". There should be an entry for it in any decent English dictionary.

You could just as easily say we shouldn't fly the American flag, because the Founding Fathers were just traitors who won.

The USA is a real country that's spent over 200 years doing various things. The CSA isn't, and really only ever started a war for slavery, and lost that war.

It was a real country for 4 years.

[Ifreann]

The USA is a real country that's spend over 200 years doing various things. The CSA isn't, and really only ever started a war for slavery, and lost that war.

History is written by the victors and all that.

Which is just silly. History is written by historians. Historians aren't actually stupid and can spot propaganda at least as well as the rest of us, probably better.

[Laerod]

Not really. You see, the Founding Fathers won.

Ah, the old might makes right argument.

Kinda applies in this case.

Treason is treason regardless of who wins. Look up it's definition.

I did. And I quoted it. None of the Founding Fathers save maybe Benedict Arnold were guilty of waging war on the United States, and seeing as the United States won the case for what jurisdiction applied, the American definition of treason was the one that applied during the Revolutionary War. And since the Confederates lost the war, same definition applied to their acts of treason in the name of slavery.

[Laerod]

"Traitors" means "people who betray". There should be an entry for it in any decent English dictionary.

The USA is a real country that's spent over 200 years doing various things. The CSA isn't, and really only ever started a war for slavery, and lost that war.

It was a real country for 4 years.

Who recognized its legitimacy?

[Ifreann]

"Traitors" means "people who betray". There should be an entry for it in any decent English dictionary.

The USA is a real country that's spent over 200 years doing various things. The CSA isn't, and really only ever started a war for slavery, and lost that war.

It was a real country for 4 years.

Debatable, but my point is that it isn't a country now.

[The Grey Wolf]

It was a real country for 4 years.

Debatable, but my point is that it isn't a country now.

Which doesn't matter. By now, you're just trying to cover your ass, and you don't care how hypocritical you look in the process.

[Goram]

If you want to fly the flag over your house, or whack on top of your Dodge, then be my guest. You're a private citizen, the First Amendment exists, you do what you want. But do you not think, South Carolina, that flying the flag of a rebel state (one that is popularly associated with the slave trade and segregation) is really appropriate? Now, I know I'm British and ignorant of the cultures of the South (if not it's history), It seems to me that State governments probably ought to avoid association with racism and secession?

It is bizarre to me that the South Carolina state government would permit the display, for more than 40 years, of the battle ensign of a state that dissolved in 1865. I just don't understand why anyone thought that was appropriate or necessary. The only places I find it reasonable to display such a flag are museums, battlefield memorials and cemeteries in which Southern troopers lie. It's not the suppression of anyone's heritage, it's not the trampling of history. It's just sensibility.