57% Of Republicans Want Christianity As National Religion

[Dyakovo]

But the ammo that would give the nations religious conservatives - it would turn to crap very quickly.

Until the SCOTUS activates its iron dome and intercepts all religious conservative ordinance.

Intercepts it on what basis?

[Tarsonis Survivors]

And as I pointed out, wanting to change one small piece of it doesn't meant they hate it as it is now.

Wrong.
The establishment clause isn't just a small piece of the constitution (unless your sole criteria for determining that is word count - which is a moronic standard), it being part of what makes up the concept of separation of church and state in constitutional law makes it a cornerstone of one of the founding principles of the nation.

Conceded, but saying they want to change that cornerstone still doesn't equate to hating the Constitution. You're creating a false dilema.

If you said they hated the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment you'd be right, they loathe it, or at least loathe it post Lemmon.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Until the SCOTUS activates its iron dome and intercepts all religious conservative ordinance.

Intercepts it on what basis?

If the first amendment still applied SCOTUS could strike down any law that violated it.

[Murkwood]

"National Religion" is a meaningless term. It's more symbolic than anything.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

"National Religion" is a meaningless term. It's more symbolic than anything.

exactly.

[Dyakovo]

Intercepts it on what basis?

If the first amendment still applied SCOTUS could strike down any law that violated it.

For the hypothetical national religion amendment to work, it would have to eliminate the establishment clause, so.... I ask again, intercept on what basis?

[Imperializt Russia]

Those 57% can go fuck themselves, then learn the constitution they so happily and blindly babble about.

Church and state.
Non-compliant.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

If the first amendment still applied SCOTUS could strike down any law that violated it.

For the hypothetical national religion amendment to work, it would have to eliminate the establishment clause, so.... I ask again, intercept on what basis?

That's incorrect. There is no litmus test for Constitutional Amendments. They can conflict and when they conflict or appear to Conflict the SCOTUS gets to pull out its shiny paper, and write some pretty interesting law.

If the 28th and 1st Amendment coexisted, the National Religion would be Christianity but congress would be unable to make any laws respecting it. So we'd more or less be like GB, "officially" Christian that's as far as it'd go.

[Murkwood]

Those 57% can go fuck themselves, then learn the constitution they so happily and blindly babble about.

Church and state.
Non-compliant.

Both England and Norway have national religions, yet they are extremely secular.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Those 57% can go fuck themselves, then learn the constitution they so happily and blindly babble about.

Church and state.
Non-compliant.

I wish people would read the thread so we could stop rehashing the same shit.

Amendment to the Constitution, your argument is null.

[Ifreann]

Isn't it? Have I been hearing of some other Republican Party that has, in many various ways, sought to enforce their Christian beliefs on the people of their nation?


Unless, of course, the 28th Amendment removed the Establishment Clause from the 1st Amendment and thus empowered Congress to establish a national religion.

A. The Nation is Culturally Christian.

No it isn't. America has a lot of Christians in it, and obviously that has influenced its culture(to the extent that so large a nation can be said to have a single culture). But so have many, many other things.

Establishing a National Religion doesn't force people to convert to Christianity. As I said, the official religion of GB is Anglicanism, but no one is required to be Anglican.

It might not. Or it might. And since the Republican party is already trying to make Americans live their lives in accordance with the dictates of their Protestant God I don't see how anyone can believe that if their faith were given official recognition by the supreme law of the land that they would cease in these efforts.

[Libertas Liber]

If the first amendment still applied SCOTUS could strike down any law that violated it.

For the hypothetical national religion amendment to work, it would have to eliminate the establishment clause, so.... I ask again, intercept on what basis?

While I find making a national religion a very stupid idea, the establishment clause could be removed, but the free exercise clause left intact. Of course, the clause itself would need a slight wording change so that "or the exercise thereof" still referred to religion.

[Dyakovo]

Those 57% can go fuck themselves, then learn the constitution they so happily and blindly babble about.

Church and state.
Non-compliant.

Both England and Norway have national religions, yet they are extremely secular.

And, of course, they've always been secular... Never involved in religious wars or oppressed those not of the official religion...
Oh! Wait....

[Western-Ukraine]

This is really some good news from Americas. It's great to see so many Republicans are defending the only true religion. A national religion is never troubling in any way. As long as it doesn't end up in lynching of minority religions it is all fine.

[Dyakovo]

This is really some good news from Americas. It's great to see so many Republicans are defending the only true religion. A national religion is never troubling in any way. As long as it doesn't end up in lynching of minority religions it is all fine.

[The United Colonies of Earth]

What the fuck...

[Murkwood]

Both England and Norway have national religions, yet they are extremely secular.

And, of course, they've always been secular... Never involved in religious wars or oppressed those not of the official religion...
Oh! Wait....

We are talking about the modern age, not the 1600s. Geez.

[Western-Ukraine]

This is really some good news from Americas. It's great to see so many Republicans are defending the only true religion. A national religion is never troubling in any way. As long as it doesn't end up in lynching of minority religions it is all fine.

It's just my opinion shared by many others.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

A. The Nation is Culturally Christian.

No it isn't. America has a lot of Christians in it, and obviously that has influenced its culture(to the extent that so large a nation can be said to have a single culture). But so have many, many other things.

Establishing a National Religion doesn't force people to convert to Christianity. As I said, the official religion of GB is Anglicanism, but no one is required to be Anglican.

It might not. Or it might. And since the Republican party is already trying to make Americans live their lives in accordance with the dictates of their Protestant God I don't see how anyone can believe that if their faith were given official recognition by the supreme law of the land that they would cease in these efforts.

A. Other things are certainly on the rise, but roughly 3/4ths of the country still identify as Christian. Culturally and statistically the country is still Christian, by and large.

B. Who said anything about ceasing? I'm saying they wouldn't have anymore grounds than they already do. They're not gonna cease so long as they still have breath.

[Ifreann]

"National Religion" is a meaningless term. It's more symbolic than anything.

And where is that written?

[Dyakovo]

And, of course, they've always been secular... Never involved in religious wars or oppressed those not of the official religion...
Oh! Wait....

We are talking about the modern age, not the 1600s. Geez.

I know. Changes nothing.
"I don't know if atheists should be considered citizens" - President George H. W. Bush (paraphrased)

[Dyakovo]

It's just my opinion shared by many others.

Not my fault you hold such a stupid opinion.

[Imperializt Russia]

Those 57% can go fuck themselves, then learn the constitution they so happily and blindly babble about.

Church and state.
Non-compliant.

Both England and Norway have national religions, yet they are extremely secular.

We don't have laws on the books prohibiting the establishment of national religion.

America has become a religious basket case without the establishment of state religion, that being prohibited by law.

[Western-Ukraine]

It's just my opinion shared by many others.

Not my fault you hold such a stupid opinion.

And who are you to say my opinion is stupid? Is part of your liberal ideology the nonacceptance of opinions not like yours? I hate how people here are like you and just outright laugh at people with remarkably different opinions.

[Imperializt Russia]

Not my fault you hold such a stupid opinion.

And who are you to say my opinion is stupid? Is part of your liberal ideology the nonacceptance of opinions not like yours? I hate how people here are like you and just outright laugh at people with remarkably different opinions.

>complains about nonacceptance of opinion
>harps about the "one true religion"

Pot, kettle, yadda yadda you know how this goes.