Ministers threatened with arrest

[The 502nd SS]

Which is a violation of the law. The ministers' business is a public accommodation, and thus has to obey discrimination laws. All they have to do to end their non-compliance is either stop discriminating or stop being a public accommodation.

Then they should establish a non-discriminatory membership system.

Other than that, they must comply with the Law and the constitution.

I find it strange how you will be fighting for the US Army and yet cannot grasp the rights of the people set out in the constitution.
Is life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness not valued highly? The rights of the individual protected against a cooperation?

The over whelming majority of the military is right wing and most right wingers are against same sex marriage.

[Dyakovo]

Which is a violation of the law. The ministers' business is a public accommodation, and thus has to obey discrimination laws. All they have to do to end their non-compliance is either stop discriminating or stop being a public accommodation.

They can just get married someplace else

Immaterial. If you operate a public accommodation, you cannot illegally discriminate.

Federal and state laws prohibit discrimination against certain protected groups in businesses and places that are considered "public accommodations." The definition of a "public accommodation" may vary depending upon the law at issue (i.e. federal or state), and the type of discrimination involved (i.e. race discrimination or disability discrimination). Generally speaking, it may help to think of public accommodations as most (but not all) businesses or buildings that are open to (or offer services to) the general public. More specifically, the definition of a "public accommodation" can be broken down into two types of businesses / facilities:

Government-owned/operated facilities, services, and buildings
Privately-owned/operated businesses, services, and buildings
Government-owned/operated facilities and services. Government-owned facilities include courthouses, jails, hospitals, parks, and other places owned and operated by federal, state and local government. Government-operated services, programs, or activities provided by federal, state, or local governments include transportation systems and government benefits programs (such as welfare assistance).

Privately-owned/operated businesses and buildings. Privately-owned businesses and facilities that offer certain goods or services to the public -- including food, lodging, gasoline, and entertainment -- are considered public accommodations for purposes of federal and state anti-discrimination laws. For purposes of disability discrimination, the definition of a "public accommodation" is even more broad, encompassing most businesses that are open to the public (regardless of type).

[The balkens]

Then they should establish a non-discriminatory membership system.

Other than that, they must comply with the Law and the constitution.

I find it strange how you will be fighting for the US Army and yet cannot grasp the rights of the people set out in the constitution.
Is life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness not valued highly? The rights of the individual protected against a cooperation?

The over whelming majority of the military is right wing and most right wingers are against same sex marriage.

Sauce, Plox.

[Celritannia]

Then they should establish a non-discriminatory membership system.

Other than that, they must comply with the Law and the constitution.

I find it strange how you will be fighting for the US Army and yet cannot grasp the rights of the people set out in the constitution.
Is life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness not valued highly? The rights of the individual protected against a cooperation?

The over whelming majority of the military is right wing and most right wingers are against same sex marriage.

Which violates the first amendment of the US, not to mention the UDHR.

[Dyakovo]

Then they should establish a non-discriminatory membership system.

Other than that, they must comply with the Law and the constitution.

I find it strange how you will be fighting for the US Army and yet cannot grasp the rights of the people set out in the constitution.
Is life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness not valued highly? The rights of the individual protected against a cooperation?

The over whelming majority of the military is right wing and most right wingers are against same sex marriage.

The military is quite a bit less anti-gay than you seem to think.

[Ethel mermania]

The marriage ceremonies the two ministers perform there are apparently religious.

Which does nothing to change the fact the a for-profit wedding chapel is a public accommodation.

In the statuetory link you posted, it did say religious business's were exempt. Why should this not be considered a religious business?

[The 502nd SS]

The over whelming majority of the military is right wing and most right wingers are against same sex marriage.

The military is quite a bit less anti-gay than you seem to think.

I said most right wingers are anti-gay I didn't say most military

[Celritannia]

The over whelming majority of the military is right wing and most right wingers are against same sex marriage.

The military is quite a bit less anti-gay than you seem to think.

That's true, this seems to shed light on it.
By an actual veteran I might add.

[Myrensis]

Why? There is no logical reason for such a position.

man+man=nothing
man+woman= future generation
woman+woman= nothing

because only married couples can have sex and not condemn their souls to eternal damnation

Put your money where your mouth is.

Devote as much time and energy to demanding that the elderly and infertile be denied the right to marry. Automatically annul all marriages once a woman reaches menopause. Advocate for laws requiring married couples to produce children, (we'll say 2, just for population stability levels) within say, 4 years or their marriage is automatically annulled.

Sorry bubby, but so long as the rights and benefits of marriage for heterosexual couples are not predicated on child bearing, using the reproduction argument against homosexuals will never be more than a bullshit smokescreen.

It's a nonsense argument on it's face anyway. I don't know if anyone has broken this too you, but gays existed before 'gay marriage' became legal in some places, and continue to exist in places where it isn't. In other words, people don't just 'stop being gay' because they can't get married, ergo whether or not they're married does not in anyway change their contribution of genetic material (or lack thereof) to future generations.

[The Fifth Layer of Hell]

Think of how confusing this must be to a homosexual couple they were bashed for being promiscuous and now that they want to be respectful in the eyes of god they are told they can't do that. If I ran a church of a religion that didn't agree with it I would still perform the marriage because with Christianity for example then maybe you can help them in the eyes of god and isn't helping people what jesus preached anyway? I personally am LaVeyan Satanic (athiestic satanism) and I believe in the idea of gay marriage because it doesn't really matter does it? People are people and all people deserve the same treatment from me until they have proven to me they deserve better or worse. On another note why are so many christians(using them because they are the predominant religion in the western world) worried about this if god doesn't approve of it you won't be in heaven with them anyway? Another thing divorce is allowed and there are some like 100 verses on the subject saying it is bad where as there are like 14 verses on Homosexuality and they are open to the interpretation that it means that you shouldn't have another man as your property because at the time women were property.

[Celritannia]

Honestly I don't like most children but I feel I would be able to raise my children better than most parents these days(assuming I don't get killed serving)

I'm a future U.S. marine I was raised on traditional values I will not live on the government. teat my kids will be raised on traditional values

But the US Military is the largest government funded organisation in the country.
So you will be living off the Government.
You socialist

I just came back to quote you because of what I linked to The 502nd SS.

[Ethel mermania]

The military is quite a bit less anti-gay than you seem to think.

I said most right wingers are anti-gay I didn't say most military

Most of the religious right is against gay rights. The non religious kind would support gay rights, as preventing an unnecessary intrusion of a persons civil rights. Barry goldwater for example.

[Czechanada]

If they choose to not perform same-sex wedding, then let them.

If other churches do, they will get less business and suffer or potentially close down as a result.

[The Fifth Layer of Hell]

everyone should be atheist.

Nah I personally would fight for peoples right to believe in whatever the hell they want if though I find it absolutely ridiculous. These men and women are entitled to believe in fairy tales if they want as long as they don't try to shove it down our throats. Everyone is entitled to their own brand of bullshit.

[The 502nd SS]

The military is quite a bit less anti-gay than you seem to think.

That's true, this seems to shed light on it.
By an actual veteran I might add.

I know a lot of vets and they would say otherwise, plus they are earning their pay and benefits unlike most that receive benefits from the government.

[Dyakovo]

Which does nothing to change the fact the a for-profit wedding chapel is a public accommodation.

In the statuetory link you posted, it did say religious business's were exempt. Why should this not be considered a religious business?

I am unfamiliar with exactly how this business was set up, but was set up as a for-profit business and is of a type that is a public accommodation it falls under the scope of this statute.


Edit: Fixed typo...

[The Fifth Layer of Hell]

That's true, this seems to shed light on it.
By an actual veteran I might add.

I know a lot of vets and they would say otherwise, plus they are earning their pay and benefits unlike most that receive benefits from the government.

Those vets are obviously not getting enough as 5000 veterans in america kill themselves every year thats 1 every hour. You might want to think twice about saying that the government gives too much money away to the poor. I know that there are people that sit there living off of welfare payments and nothing else and they suck

[Celritannia]

That's true, this seems to shed light on it.
By an actual veteran I might add.

I know a lot of vets and they would say otherwise, plus they are earning their pay and benefits unlike most that receive benefits from the government.

Some people get benefits because the Free-Market Economy.
Not their fault in all honesty, problem with too much capitalism.

But before we threadjack:

This business should follow the law like any other.
Simple as that.

[Kelinfort]

They are just denying them to hold the wedding there, they're not harming anyone or promoting violence against anyone.

Discrimination is illegal.

[Dyakovo]

That's true, this seems to shed light on it.
By an actual veteran I might add.

I know a lot of vets and they would say otherwise, plus they are earning their pay and benefits unlike most that receive benefits from the government.

And right here is one that is telling you that the military is particularly anti-gay, as this shows.

[Ethel mermania]

In the statuetory link you posted, it did say religious business's were exempt. Why should this not be considered a religious business?

I am unfamiliar with exactly how this business was set up, but was not set up as a for-profit business and is of a type that is a public accommodation it falls under the scope of this statute.

I only know of three types, non profit, not for profit, and a regular incorporation types. And
"Was not set up..." is that a typo, because it it is a religious non profit it should be exempt.

Edit: according to wiki the hitching post is a for profit. LLC. I will go back to my original point. I don't think you can
Make the ministers as individuals perform the cerimonies, but I think they can make the business do so.


make the ministers perform the cerimonies, but the facility

[The Black Forrest]

man+man=nothing
man+woman= future generation
woman+woman= nothing

because only married couples can have sex and not condemn their souls to eternal damnation

Put your money where your mouth is.

Devote as much time and energy to demanding that the elderly and infertile be denied the right to marry. Automatically annul all marriages once a woman reaches menopause. Advocate for laws requiring married couples to produce children, (we'll say 2, just for stability levels) within say, 5 years or their marriage is automatically annulled.

Sorry bubby, but so long as the rights and benefits of marriage for heterosexual couples are not predicated on child bearing, using the reproduction argument against homosexuals will never be more than a bullshit smokescreen.

Indeed. I missed the box that said we are required to have children.

[Dyakovo]

I am unfamiliar with exactly how this business was set up, but was not set up as a for-profit business and is of a type that is a public accommodation it falls under the scope of this statute.

I only know of three types, non profit, not for profit, and a regular incorporation types. And
"Was not set up..." is that a typo, because it it is a religious non profit it should be exempt.

the "not" is a typo... I changed my mind on wording and didn't fix it properly...

[Imperializt Russia]

What does the military have to do with this?

You don't like business laws?

He said he was joining the army, so I thought I'd question that.
I do like business laws. Keeps businesses in line

IIRC, Dya actually left the army some number of years ago.

That's true, this seems to shed light on it.
By an actual veteran I might add.

I know a lot of vets and they would say otherwise, plus they are earning their pay and benefits unlike most that receive benefits from the government.

This doesn't stop the personnel costs of the military being an enormous economic drain in a country.

Welfare recipients probably make greater overall contribution to the US economy from spending their government welfare than military personnel do spending their government pay.

[Celritannia]

He said he was joining the army, so I thought I'd question that.
I do like business laws. Keeps businesses in line

IIRC, Dya actually left the army some number of years ago.

I know a lot of vets and they would say otherwise, plus they are earning their pay and benefits unlike most that receive benefits from the government.

This doesn't stop the personnel costs of the military being an enormous economic drain in a country.

Welfare recipients probably make greater overall contribution to the US economy from spending their government welfare than military personnel do spending their government pay.

That comment was actually meant for 502nd.
Whoops