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Postby Scomagia » Fri Apr 18, 2014 9:47 pm

Buddha Punk Robot Monks wrote:
Scomagia wrote:I'm well aware, which is why I called it nonsense.

Yeah, just confirming what you said.

That makes you kinda like my backup singer then right?
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Postby Destrovia » Fri Apr 18, 2014 9:48 pm

Lunatic Goofballs wrote:
Destrovia wrote:I have nothing against other races or their existence. I like a lot of them, but I don't want them mixing with my people.


Tough titty! My mom mixed with 'your people' and had me. And guess what? I mixed with your people too. And had three kids of my own. Their choices are their own, but I sincerely hope they mix with a whole variety of races. Why? Because I love fusion cuisine. :)

That is your decision, and I can't do anything about it. I simply disapprove; I still tell myself I love humanity, even if they aren't...I don't know what to say for this part.
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Postby Dyakovo » Fri Apr 18, 2014 9:49 pm

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Dyakovo wrote:There is no "white" culture.

Explain.

What is there to explain? There is no one culture common to all "white" people.
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Postby The Grim Reaper » Fri Apr 18, 2014 9:50 pm

Destrovia wrote:
Lunatic Goofballs wrote:
Tough titty! My mom mixed with 'your people' and had me. And guess what? I mixed with your people too. And had three kids of my own. Their choices are their own, but I sincerely hope they mix with a whole variety of races. Why? Because I love fusion cuisine. :)

That is your decision, and I can't do anything about it. I simply disapprove; I still tell myself I love humanity, even if they aren't...I don't know what to say for this part.


Even if they aren't white?
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Postby Buddha Punk Robot Monks » Fri Apr 18, 2014 9:50 pm

Scomagia wrote:
Buddha Punk Robot Monks wrote:Yeah, just confirming what you said.

That makes you kinda like my backup singer then right?

If you wish...
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Postby Destrovia » Fri Apr 18, 2014 9:51 pm

Dyakovo wrote:
Destrovia wrote:Explain.

What is there to explain? There is no one culture common to all "white" people.

Then there is no culture to unite any group of people. I can accept that there is no white culture if that other point is accepted.
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Postby Margno » Fri Apr 18, 2014 9:51 pm

Destrovia wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:Why would increased "racial" diversity not be a good thing?

I was taught that your own people are yours. You have to stick with your own people because they are closer than any other kind of person, even if it isn't by blood, and you should recognize brotherhood.

Just like black people recognize a sense of brotherhood within them, I feel more comfortable around my own race.
EDIT: Idk if we should take this to the telegrams or not.

Okay. Not one part of that is wrong except for this one thing: if you want to have brotherhood with other people, why do they need to look like you? That's so silly and baseless. Have brotherhood with your neighbors. Have brotherhood with your friends. Hell, have brotherhood with as many people as will be your brothers back. Think about it: brotherhood is about going from self love and self interest to the love of others and interest in their benefit. Who is going to know about that? The ones whose beliefs are all about love, all about acceptance of the other at the expense of the self.
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Postby Meryuma » Fri Apr 18, 2014 9:51 pm

Scomagia wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:Shut it down.

No, that's stupid. Leave it open, monitor the users, and integrate law enforcement into the user base.


After all, no segment of American society is more known for its principled opposition to racist violence than the cops.

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And you are calling them racist?


People are getting murdered for being black and your big concern is that the term "white trash" is insensitive?

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Orla wrote:So, you support their message of hate, I presume?


No, but they should not be silenced for their views.


Maybe not for their views, but definitely for their attacks.
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Postby The United Azorean States » Fri Apr 18, 2014 9:51 pm

All I care is that the people that commit these crimes end up in Jail. They are, unfortunately, entitled to their own opinions no matter how (with lack of a better word) stupid they are. The website itself isn't doing anything wrong (besides being a breeding ground for hate), and therefore can't be shut down. The people on there may be nut-jobs and perform these hate crimes, but the website doesn't specifically say to do them. As much as I hate the website, it can't be shut down

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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Fri Apr 18, 2014 9:51 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:Would you say it's more of a class warfare than a racial one?

There is an obvious, pervasive racial element, when folks force black people to not use the building's lift used by the residents, or when someone is identified as criminal and kept there against evidence because the cops have to use somebody as an excuse for their poor job, but racism here is just used to legitimize class sentiment and enmity. It's not the kind of racism that fears difference, is the kind of racism that is an excuse to laugh at and profit from difference.
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Postby Destrovia » Fri Apr 18, 2014 9:51 pm

The Grim Reaper wrote:
Destrovia wrote:That is your decision, and I can't do anything about it. I simply disapprove; I still tell myself I love humanity, even if they aren't...I don't know what to say for this part.


Even if they aren't white?

I still love them, just not as much as white people. All races loyal to a nation can still be unified.
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I refer to people I respect as Signore or Signora, if your wondering.
I am an Italian Fascist that moved to America when I was a bit younger! I really like your Disney, it's older stuff is cool. Your women are scary, in fact one time a girl tried to force me to out with her, and I was so scared I almost did! Please stop letting them use testosterone!
Don't fuck with Italy man!

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Postby The Grim Reaper » Fri Apr 18, 2014 9:52 pm

Destrovia wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:What is there to explain? There is no one culture common to all "white" people.

Then there is no culture to unite any group of people. I can accept that there is no white culture if that other point is accepted.


Yeah, well, I do accept that culture is a fluid term for a set of general beliefs about how society functions that is not restricted to geographic or inherited features, and is changing, heterogeneous, and different cultures are not mutually exclusive even in a single individual's belief system.
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Postby Scomagia » Fri Apr 18, 2014 9:52 pm

Buddha Punk Robot Monks wrote:
Scomagia wrote:That makes you kinda like my backup singer then right?

If you wish...

Sweet.
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Postby Buddha Punk Robot Monks » Fri Apr 18, 2014 9:52 pm

Dyakovo wrote:
Destrovia wrote:Explain.

What is there to explain? There is no one culture common to all "white" people.

But there is white privilege which amounts to a cultural currency.
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Postby East Catalina » Fri Apr 18, 2014 9:53 pm

Destrovia wrote:
Lunatic Goofballs wrote:
Tough titty! My mom mixed with 'your people' and had me. And guess what? I mixed with your people too. And had three kids of my own. Their choices are their own, but I sincerely hope they mix with a whole variety of races. Why? Because I love fusion cuisine. :)

That is your decision, and I can't do anything about it. I simply disapprove; I still tell myself I love humanity, even if they aren't...I don't know what to say for this part.

Well mate, you need to go and meet new people.
Dyakovo wrote:
Destrovia wrote:Explain.

What is there to explain? There is no one culture common to all "white" people.

There's British culture, German culture (Lower, Upper, Central, High, Higher, Highest, Superhigh, Berlin, Austrian, Bavarian)...
They have a sprachbund of ideas in western Europe, Australasia and the Americas, but no common culture.
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Postby JJ Place » Fri Apr 18, 2014 9:53 pm

Fascist Russian Empire wrote:All sites that encourage hate of any sort should be banned; regardless of whom they hate. Homophobic sites, racist sites, antisemitic sites, transphobic sites, Germanophobic sites, Anglophobic sites, Islamophobic sites; all of them should be shut down.

Indeed, I agree with this, and the majority consensus. Stormfront and other hate sites are too toxic to be allowed to exist. They breed massive bigotry, and real hatred, and that's really a lot bigger threat to freedom than allowing hate to fester in toxic environments by allowing hate on the basis of free speech. These environments are toxic, and the world will be better, and more free, if they're cleaned up.
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Postby Saiwania » Fri Apr 18, 2014 9:53 pm

Death Metal wrote:At any rate, it's not numbers of white people decreasing. It's just that other races are growing faster. "Whites are going extinct" is just neo-nazi propaganda with no basis in fact.


I think that Whites can go extinct and I'll explain how: the lower the percentage of White people there is in any given community, the harder it will be for Whites to meet other Whites. The result of course, will be intermixing until White skin becomes more recessive until it becomes rare. Past a certain point, there will be no reversing this. One of these days after I'm gone, it could be that White skin will disappear.
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Postby Gauthier » Fri Apr 18, 2014 9:54 pm

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Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:Brazil is becoming less Brazilian, China is becoming less Chinese, soon enough India will be less Indian, Mexico less Mexican, Indonesia less Indonesian, Africa less African.

Big fucking deal.


It isn't a big deal to you, but it is to me because this is my skin color at stake. Do you have proof that China and India are becoming less racially homogenous to any significant degree? So far as I'm aware, China is 92% Han Chinese and while India has more than 2,000 ethnic groups, they more or less look the same. Mexico is 60% Mestizo, and in Indonesia 95% of their ethnic groups are of native origin. It is just a fact that outside of the developed western countries, the world is much less diverse. Why should only my racial group be forced to become "diverse" at our expense?


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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Fri Apr 18, 2014 9:54 pm

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:Would you say it's more of a class warfare than a racial one?

There is an obvious, pervasive racial element, when folks force black people to not use the building's lift used by the residents, or when someone is identified as criminal and kept there against evidence because the cops have to use somebody as an excuse for their poor job, but racism here is just used to legitimize class sentiment and enmity. It's not the kind of racism that fears difference, is the kind of racism that is an excuse to laugh at and profit from difference.


That's truly sad. Especially in such a racially diverse country like Brazil.
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Postby The Grim Reaper » Fri Apr 18, 2014 9:54 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Death Metal wrote:At any rate, it's not numbers of white people decreasing. It's just that other races are growing faster. "Whites are going extinct" is just neo-nazi propaganda with no basis in fact.


I think that Whites can go extinct and I'll explain how: the lower the percentage of White people there is in any given community, the harder it will be for Whites to meet other Whites. The result of course, will be intermixing until White skin becomes more recessive until it becomes rare. Past a certain point, there will be no reversing this. One of these days after I'm gone, it could be that White skin will disappear.


Skin colour is produced by a combination of different genes, it is impossible for 'white skin' to become recessive.
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Postby Destrovia » Fri Apr 18, 2014 9:54 pm

East Catalina wrote:
Destrovia wrote:That is your decision, and I can't do anything about it. I simply disapprove; I still tell myself I love humanity, even if they aren't...I don't know what to say for this part.

Well mate, you need to go and meet new people.

No thank you.
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I refer to people I respect as Signore or Signora, if your wondering.
I am an Italian Fascist that moved to America when I was a bit younger! I really like your Disney, it's older stuff is cool. Your women are scary, in fact one time a girl tried to force me to out with her, and I was so scared I almost did! Please stop letting them use testosterone!
Don't fuck with Italy man!

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Postby Dyakovo » Fri Apr 18, 2014 9:55 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Death Metal wrote:At any rate, it's not numbers of white people decreasing. It's just that other races are growing faster. "Whites are going extinct" is just neo-nazi propaganda with no basis in fact.


I think that Whites can go extinct and I'll explain how: the lower the percentage of White people there is in any given community, the harder it will be for Whites to meet other Whites. The result of course, will be intermixing until White skin becomes more recessive until it becomes rare. Past a certain point, there will be no reversing this. One of these days after I'm gone, it could be that White skin will disappear.

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Other than the obvious answer of "mentally handicapped neo-nazis"?
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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Fri Apr 18, 2014 9:55 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:Brazil is becoming less Brazilian, China is becoming less Chinese, soon enough India will be less Indian, Mexico less Mexican, Indonesia less Indonesian, Africa less African.

Big fucking deal.

It isn't a big deal to you, but it is to me because this is my skin color at stake. Do you have proof that China and India are becoming less racially homogenous to any significant degree?

China has a low population growth that is rapidly graying its population and it will accept more and more immigrants from Asia and across the world as it becomes an economic, political and cultural power and a land of opportunity. That was how USA got relevantly Asian, Middle Eastern and Latin American. Same will eventually happen to India.
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Postby Scomagia » Fri Apr 18, 2014 9:56 pm

Meryuma wrote:
Scomagia wrote:No, that's stupid. Leave it open, monitor the users, and integrate law enforcement into the user base.


After all, no segment of American society is more known for its principled opposition to racist violence than the cops.

Wind in the Willows wrote:
And you are calling them racist?


People are getting murdered for being black and your big concern is that the term "white trash" is insensitive?

Wind in the Willows wrote:
No, but they should not be silenced for their views.


Maybe not for their views, but definitely for their attacks.

The intelligence community at large takes a dim view on terrorism, however.
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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Fri Apr 18, 2014 9:57 pm

Meryuma wrote:After all, no segment of American society is more known for its principled opposition to racist violence than the cops.

Hell, we have a white supremacist cop in our userbase.
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Formerly "Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro".

Compass: -10.00, -9.13
S-E Ideology: Demc. Socialist (92% ditto/Marxist, 75% Anarchist/Social democrat, 0% etc)
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Though this says I'm a social democrat, I'm largely a left communist.

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