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Postby Dyakovo » Thu Feb 13, 2014 3:26 pm

New Nassrau wrote:I mean, its nice… but some of the options cater to an extremely small minority

And this would be a problem, because?
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Postby The Time Alliance » Thu Feb 13, 2014 3:26 pm

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Domenic and friends wrote:Stupid.

Stupid that it took Facebook so long? Definitely.

I think he means. The idea is stupid. Although I partially agree with him....(Partially I don't.) He loses me because he just says "Stupid". No argument? No stament? Obviously not here to be taken seriously.

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Postby The Time Alliance » Thu Feb 13, 2014 3:27 pm

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New Nassrau wrote:I mean, its nice… but some of the options cater to an extremely small minority

And this would be a problem, because?

It's not....A little might I say Un-needed but it's not a problem...

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Postby Dyakovo » Thu Feb 13, 2014 3:27 pm

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Othelos wrote:How is more freedom for the individual stupid?

It's either your a man or a woman. Keep it like that.

Unless, of course, you're not. Gender and biological sex are not the same thing.
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Postby The Time Alliance » Thu Feb 13, 2014 3:29 pm

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Domenic and friends wrote:It's either your a man or a woman. Keep it like that.

Unless, of course, you're not. Gender and biological sex are not the same thing.

How are you not Man or Women?

I mean I get Gender and biological sex are different? But....

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Postby Tyriece » Thu Feb 13, 2014 3:30 pm

I understand what gender and sex is, and I will call you what ever you want as long as I have respect for you as a person, but in my mind I still look at people by there sex.
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Postby Liriena » Thu Feb 13, 2014 3:31 pm

The Time Alliance wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:Unless, of course, you're not. Gender and biological sex are not the same thing.

How are you not Man or Women?

I mean I get Gender and biological sex are different? But....

Maybe I'm like Andreja Pejic, and I see my gender as something fluid and deeply personal that requires no labels based on other people's preconceptions?
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Postby Kiruri » Thu Feb 13, 2014 3:31 pm

The Time Alliance wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:Unless, of course, you're not. Gender and biological sex are not the same thing.

How are you not Man or Women?

I mean I get Gender and biological sex are different? But....


Obviously there are two biological sexes. Everyone's either a biological male or a biological female (or hermaphrodite, I suppose), but that does not mean your gender has to be identical to your biological sex. As has been stated they're =/=
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Postby The Time Alliance » Thu Feb 13, 2014 3:32 pm

Liriena wrote:
The Time Alliance wrote:How are you not Man or Women?

I mean I get Gender and biological sex are different? But....

Maybe I'm like Andrej Pejic, and I see my gender as something fluid and deeply personal that requires no labels based on other people's preconceptions?

........ :palm:
"Pejić has described herself as living "in between genders" and has stated she prefers to be referred to by female pronouns."
How do you "Live between" Genders?

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Postby Liriena » Thu Feb 13, 2014 3:33 pm

The Time Alliance wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:And this would be a problem, because?

It's not....A little might I say Un-needed but it's not a problem...

I disagree. Some people do not feel that they belong to the binary conception of gender that dominates much of the modern world, and denying them the possibility of accurately expressing their identity is harmful.
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Postby The Time Alliance » Thu Feb 13, 2014 3:34 pm

Kiruri wrote:
The Time Alliance wrote:How are you not Man or Women?

I mean I get Gender and biological sex are different? But....


Obviously there are two biological sexes. Everyone's either a biological male or a biological female (or hermaphrodite, I suppose), but that does not mean your gender has to be identical to your biological sex. As has been stated they're =/=

There's a point. So we have Males, Females and.....Hermaphrodites. So that's Three.

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Postby The Time Alliance » Thu Feb 13, 2014 3:35 pm

Liriena wrote:
The Time Alliance wrote:It's not....A little might I say Un-needed but it's not a problem...

I disagree. Some people do not feel that they belong to the binary conception of gender that dominates much of the modern world, and denying them the possibility of accurately expressing their identity is harmful.

That's not what I meant by Un-needed. They have several Things you can choose that mean THE EXACT SAME THING.

What's the point of that. You don't need 5 Gender Options that mean the same thing......

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Postby Liriena » Thu Feb 13, 2014 3:36 pm

The Time Alliance wrote:
Liriena wrote:Maybe I'm like Andrej Pejic, and I see my gender as something fluid and deeply personal that requires no labels based on other people's preconceptions?

........ :palm:
"Pejić has described herself as living "in between genders" and has stated she prefers to be referred to by female pronouns."
How do you "Live between" Genders?

It's not particularly difficult really. You just embrace traits commonly associated with other genders, without actually labelling yourself as any of them, because you see yourself as having an identity that doesn't actually meet the criteria to be called a "man" or a "woman".

For instance, a person who combines both traditionally manly and womanly mannerisms and clothing, and creates a style of their own.
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Postby Liriena » Thu Feb 13, 2014 3:37 pm

The Time Alliance wrote:
Liriena wrote:I disagree. Some people do not feel that they belong to the binary conception of gender that dominates much of the modern world, and denying them the possibility of accurately expressing their identity is harmful.

That's not what I meant by Un-needed. They have several Things you can choose that mean THE EXACT SAME THING.

What's the point of that. You don't need 5 Gender Options that mean the same thing......

Are you saying that synonyms should not exist in any language?
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Postby Ovisterra » Thu Feb 13, 2014 3:39 pm

The Time Alliance wrote:
Liriena wrote:I disagree. Some people do not feel that they belong to the binary conception of gender that dominates much of the modern world, and denying them the possibility of accurately expressing their identity is harmful.

That's not what I meant by Un-needed. They have several Things you can choose that mean THE EXACT SAME THING.

What's the point of that. You don't need 5 Gender Options that mean the same thing......


They were probably thinking that it's better to be redundant than accidentally miss something. It's a good attitude to have, especially if you don't know much about non-binary gender identities.

Why do you care, anyway?
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Postby The Glorious Eternal Revolution Land » Thu Feb 13, 2014 3:40 pm

There are two genders, not 56, at least for humans. Biological fact.

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Postby The Time Alliance » Thu Feb 13, 2014 3:40 pm

Liriena wrote:
The Time Alliance wrote:........ :palm:
"Pejić has described herself as living "in between genders" and has stated she prefers to be referred to by female pronouns."
How do you "Live between" Genders?

It's not particularly difficult really. You just embrace traits commonly associated with other genders, without actually labelling yourself as any of them, because you see yourself as having an identity that doesn't actually meet the criteria to be called a "man" or a "woman".

For instance, a person who combines both traditionally manly and womanly mannerisms and clothing, and creates a style of their own.

Okay...So hold on let me think about this for a second.

So it's like....Look. I'm just not seeing how you can "live Between" two genders.... What your describing is more of "I'm my own Gender." Which in that case. I want my name as one of the Genders.
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Postby The Time Alliance » Thu Feb 13, 2014 3:41 pm

The Glorious Eternal Revolution Land wrote:There are two genders, not 56, at least for humans. Biological fact.

3. Hermaphrodites.....

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Postby The Time Alliance » Thu Feb 13, 2014 3:42 pm

Ovisterra wrote:
The Time Alliance wrote:That's not what I meant by Un-needed. They have several Things you can choose that mean THE EXACT SAME THING.

What's the point of that. You don't need 5 Gender Options that mean the same thing......


They were probably thinking that it's better to be redundant than accidentally miss something. It's a good attitude to have, especially if you don't know much about non-binary gender identities.

Why do you care, anyway?

Why do I care...This forum was made for discussing... I can discuss what I want.
Miss something? They covered the same stuff 5 times over.....

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Postby The Glorious Eternal Revolution Land » Thu Feb 13, 2014 3:42 pm

The Time Alliance wrote:
The Glorious Eternal Revolution Land wrote:There are two genders, not 56, at least for humans. Biological fact.

3. Hermaphrodites.....

Sure. Still not 56.

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Postby Liriena » Thu Feb 13, 2014 3:42 pm

The Glorious Eternal Revolution Land wrote:There are two genders, not 56, at least for humans. Biological fact.

You are confusing gender with sex... and ignoring the existence of intersex people. Shame on you.
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Postby The Time Alliance » Thu Feb 13, 2014 3:42 pm

Liriena wrote:
The Time Alliance wrote:That's not what I meant by Un-needed. They have several Things you can choose that mean THE EXACT SAME THING.

What's the point of that. You don't need 5 Gender Options that mean the same thing......

Are you saying that synonyms should not exist in any language?

That's not what I said at all....... :palm:

What I just said was It's un-needed for them to have 5 options that each mean the same gender....

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Postby Ovisterra » Thu Feb 13, 2014 3:43 pm

The Time Alliance wrote:
Ovisterra wrote:
They were probably thinking that it's better to be redundant than accidentally miss something. It's a good attitude to have, especially if you don't know much about non-binary gender identities.

Why do you care, anyway?

Why do I care...This forum was made for discussing... I can discuss what I want.


I see no one trying to deprive you of that.

Miss something? They covered the same stuff 5 times over.....


You mentioned that like 3 times. And I responded to it.

Ironic, huh?
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Postby The Time Alliance » Thu Feb 13, 2014 3:43 pm

Liriena wrote:
The Glorious Eternal Revolution Land wrote:There are two genders, not 56, at least for humans. Biological fact.

You are confusing gender with sex... and ignoring the existence of intersex people. Shame on you.

I know. Hermaphrodites exist too.

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Postby Death Metal » Thu Feb 13, 2014 3:44 pm

The Glorious Eternal Revolution Land wrote:There are two genders, not 56, at least for humans. Biological fact.


False. There are an infinite potential number of gender identities.
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