Ukrainian Crisis

[Person012345]

Ikr.

But seriously, the EU needs to be less of a whore. I'm not EU FOR EUROPEANS, I don't think places like turkey should be restricted because of geography (or being ebil moslems), but the EU need to just calm down a bit.

Unless I'm mistaken, weren't there talks of including Turkey in the EU?

They have an application iirc but it horrifies the insane nationalists that MOSLEMS might get free passage to the rest of the EU, so they make stupid arguments about how it's (mostly) not in europe.

[DrakoLand]

Unless I'm mistaken, weren't there talks of including Turkey in the EU?

They have an application iirc but it horrifies the insane nationalists that MOSLEMS might get free passage to the rest of the EU, so they make stupid arguments about how it's (mostly) not in europe.

Cause millions of Turks aren't already in Germany

[Liriena]

Unless I'm mistaken, weren't there talks of including Turkey in the EU?

They have an application iirc but it horrifies the insane nationalists that MOSLEMS might get free passage to the rest of the EU, so they make stupid arguments about how it's (mostly) not in europe.

I'd rather see an Erdogan-less Turkey join the EU... but yeah...

[Divair]

They have an application iirc but it horrifies the insane nationalists that MOSLEMS might get free passage to the rest of the EU, so they make stupid arguments about how it's (mostly) not in europe.

I'd rather see an Erdogan-less Turkey join the EU... but yeah...

It won't join until Erdogan is gone anyhow.

[Blasveck]

Unless I'm mistaken, weren't there talks of including Turkey in the EU?

They have an application iirc but it horrifies the insane nationalists that MOSLEMS might get free passage to the rest of the EU, so they make stupid arguments about how it's (mostly) not in europe.

I don't know why it would.

So what if they're not European?

Unless the EU is going to enact racist policies or something (NOT BLACK IMMIGRANTS FOLKS, OR NO EU FOR U) I think they should be allowed to join.

Plus, if relations go well, European/Western relations with the Mid East could become a bit, if only a little, smoother.

[The yoshin empire]

What about bara?

Not quite my cup of tea, but it has its merits. Namely, it rids the genre of its heteronormative tendencies as far as the seme-uke binary goes.

That and it ties into a real gay subculture.

[European Socialist Republic]

Totally a dictatorship.

Merkelreich!

Nein, Fourth Reich!

EUSSR!

Eurabia!

The revived Roman Empire lead by Satan that was prophesied in the Bible!

[Dyakovo]

What's with Eurosceptics anyways?

I'm not the most well informed on the benefits and drawbacks of the EU, but as far a i can tell, having such a union is massively better and preferential to the infighting that has ravaged the continent since, well, ever.

And what's with your obsession with Putin?

Man crush.
*nods*

[Dorhagen (Ancient)]

Ukraine wants China. This summer they sold 30 000 square kilometers of farming land to China for 50 years (There is more to come, China wants to buy more). So we'll know where to get cheap labor force in 20 years of time. Salaries in Ukraine are one of the lowest in Europe (even Russia has 2x bigger salaries). Poland and Ukraine were quite equal in economic terms when they became independent after collapse of USSR but look at the differences now.

[DrakoLand]

Ukraine wants China. This summer they sold 100 000 hectares of farming land to China for 50 years (There is more to come, China wants to buy more). So we'll know where to get cheap labor force in 20 years of time. Salaries in Ukraine are one of the lowest in Europe (even Russia has 2x bigger salaries). Poland and Ukraine were quite equal in economic terms when they became independent after collapse of USSR but look at the differences now.

The fuck is up with China and the "own it for 50 years" thingy? They are "renting" Greece's biggest port for 50 years to....

[Risottia]

Because Putin has a personal right to a sphere of influence over other countries.
Or because Russia as a personal right to a sphere of influence over other countries.

Here's now a typical train of thought from Eurosceptics.

Stay tuned for more fun stories, I guess.

Please don't insult Eurosceptics by suggesting we all subscribe to the Putin Fanclub's school of thought.

I was being slightly satirical.

[Dorhagen (Ancient)]

Ukraine wants China. This summer they sold 100 000 hectares of farming land to China for 50 years (There is more to come, China wants to buy more). So we'll know where to get cheap labor force in 20 years of time. Salaries in Ukraine are one of the lowest in Europe (even Russia has 2x bigger salaries). Poland and Ukraine were quite equal in economic terms when they became independent after collapse of USSR but look at the differences now.

The fuck is up with China and the "own it for 50 years" thingy? They are "renting" Greece's biggest port for 50 years to....

Not 100 000 hectares but 30 000 square kilometers. I made little mistake. It is 5% of Ukrainan territory.

[Risottia]

Merkelreich!

Nein, Fourth Reich!

EUSSR!

Eurabia!

The revived Roman Empire lead by Satan that was prophesied in the Bible!

Hm.

Risottia:
Italian, check.
Statanist, check.
Around since the times of the Roman Empire, check.
Around since before the Bible was written, check.

Now repeat with me:
AVE RISOTTIA IMPERATOR!

[European Socialist Republic]

The fuck is up with China and the "own it for 50 years" thingy? They are "renting" Greece's biggest port for 50 years to....

Not 100 000 hectares but 30 000 square kilometers. I made little mistake. It is 5% of Ukrainan territory.

Source?

[Kemalist]

Ukraine has been aligning with Russia especially since the pro-Russian party (Party of Regions) came to power. That'll probably continue so until the next governmental change. It's the Ukrainian people who should decide, I think. What about a referendum?

So what if they're not European?

Unless the EU is going to enact racist policies or something (NOT BLACK IMMIGRANTS FOLKS, OR NO EU FOR U) I think they should be allowed to join.

Plus, if relations go well, European/Western relations with the Mid East could become a bit, if only a little, smoother.

Turkey is a part of Europe and a western(ized) nation. At least that's how Turks consider themselves. I doubt you can find any Turk who will tell you that they are Middle Eastern or a part of Middle East. Believe me; most Turks see the Middle East almost from an average American's point of view, as if we're not located next to it.

[Dorhagen (Ancient)]

Ukraine has been aligning with Russia especially since the pro-Russian party (Party of Regions) came to power. That'll probably continue so until the next governmental change.

So what if they're not European?

Unless the EU is going to enact racist policies or something (NOT BLACK IMMIGRANTS FOLKS, OR NO EU FOR U) I think they should be allowed to join.

Plus, if relations go well, European/Western relations with the Mid East could become a bit, if only a little, smoother.

Turkey is a part of Europe and a western(ized) nation. At least that's how Turks consider themselves. I doubt you can find any Turk who will tell you that they are Middle Eastern or a part of Middle Eastern. Believe me; most Turks see the Middle East almost from an average American's point of view, as if we're not located next to it.

Turkey is a westernized nation? Don't make me laugh.

[Kemalist]

Ukraine has been aligning with Russia especially since the pro-Russian party (Party of Regions) came to power. That'll probably continue so until the next governmental change.



Turkey is a part of Europe and a western(ized) nation. At least that's how Turks consider themselves. I doubt you can find any Turk who will tell you that they are Middle Eastern or a part of Middle Eastern. Believe me; most Turks see the Middle East almost from an average American's point of view, as if we're not located next to it.

Turkey is a westernized nation? Don't make me laugh.

You wouldn't if you weren't ignorant about some facts.

[Soviet Russia Republic]

Their oil won't last forever. Nor will it be used until it's gone. Russia barely has any influence outside of some states like Syria and Ukraine. Their days of superpower status are long gone and they'll never return. Putin is simply keeping the country afloat, nothing more.

If you think Putin simply is keeping the country afloat, it shows a rather great deal of ignorance. Russia's political, economic, and military influence has grown considerably in the last ten years. Further to claim Russia will never return to the superpower status is a bit silly unless you're going to tell us you can see into the further decades or even centuries. Russia's influence in a number of countries have also risen along with the raising Russian power. Even in states like Finland who is increasingly cooperating with Russia by forming ever deeper economic ties.

[Dorhagen (Ancient)]

Turkey is a westernized nation? Don't make me laugh.

You wouldn't if you weren't ignorant about some facts.

I don't deny that there is a progress towards democratic western society but Turkey hasn't achieved it, yet.

[Risottia]

Turkey is a westernized nation? Don't make me laugh.

NATO member. Check.
COE member. Check.
Prospective EU member. Check.
Multi-party democracy. Check.
Laicité. Check.
Latin alphabet. Check.
Nightlife with alcohol, disco-music and scantily-clad hotties. Check.

Looks quite Western to me.

[Kemalist]

You wouldn't if you weren't ignorant about some facts.

I don't deny that there is a progress towards democratic western society but Turkey hasn't achieved it, yet.

Westernization isn't something like a file that is loading into the computer. What makes Turkey westernized is the irreversible choice she did in her foundation (to face towards the West). Not gonna go into details since it would be off-topic but you can me PM me if you want me to.

[Person012345]

Turkey is a westernized nation? Don't make me laugh.

NATO member. Check.
COE member. Check.
Prospective EU member. Check.
Multi-party democracy. Check.
Laicité. Check.
Latin alphabet. Check.
Nightlife with alcohol, disco-music and scantily-clad hotties. Check.

Looks quite Western to me.

No but moselems

[European Socialist Republic]

Nein, Fourth Reich!

EUSSR!

Eurabia!

The revived Roman Empire lead by Satan that was prophesied in the Bible!

Hm.

Risottia:
Italian, check.
Statanist, check.
Around since the times of the Roman Empire, check.
Around since before the Bible was written, check.

Now repeat with me:
AVE RISOTTIA IMPERATOR!

Ave Caesar! Te duce tuti erimus!
(No idea if what I said was even correct. I probably misspelled it.)

[Risottia]

NATO member. Check.
COE member. Check.
Prospective EU member. Check.
Multi-party democracy. Check.
Laicité. Check.
Latin alphabet. Check.
Nightlife with alcohol, disco-music and scantily-clad hotties. Check.

Looks quite Western to me.

No but moselems

Eh.

No, seriously, I never understood this stuff about "M00zlem = Levant".


Tripoli? Damascus? Teheran?

Granada

Muscat? Baghdad? Aleppo?

Palermo

Kiyv? Thessaloniki? Rjazan?

Istanbul

[Kemalist]

No but moselems

Eh.

No, seriously, I never understood this stuff about "M00zlem = Levant".


Tripoli? Damascus? Teheran?

Granada

Muscat? Baghdad? Aleppo?

Palermo

That was an irony, I suppose.