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Postby European Socialist Republic » Sun Sep 15, 2013 12:16 pm

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Agritum wrote:Because it leads to religious favouritism and eventually Theocracy?


Why is a Theocracy bad?

Theocracy is great! That's why Iran is the best country in the world!
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Postby Genivaria » Sun Sep 15, 2013 12:16 pm

The Holy NeoSpanish Empire wrote:if you want to be lied by the demon and serve him i let you do it atheists but us catholics we arent going to do it

I swear everything you post is hilarious.
You literally have not a fucking clue what you're talking about.
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The Holy NeoSpanish Empire wrote:if you want to be lied by the demon and serve him i let you do it atheists but us catholics we arent going to do it

Catholic Catechism wrote:159. Faith and science: "... methodical research in all branches of knowledge, provided it is carried out in a truly scientific manner and does not override moral laws, can never conflict with the faith, because the things of the world and the things of faith derive from the same God. The humble and persevering investigator of the secrets of nature is being led, as it were, by the hand of God in spite of himself, for it is God, the conserver of all things, who made them what they are." (Vatican II GS 36:1) 283. The question about the origins of the world and of man has been the object of many scientific studies which have splendidly enriched our knowledge of the age and dimensions of the cosmos, the development of life-forms and the appearance of man. These discoveries invite us to even greater admiration for the greatness of the Creator, prompting us to give him thanks for all his works and for the understanding and wisdom he gives to scholars and researchers.... 284. The great interest accorded to these studies is strongly stimulated by a question of another order, which goes beyond the proper domain of the natural sciences. It is not only a question of knowing when and how the universe arose physically, or when man appeared, but rather of discovering the meaning of such an origin....


Why you go against your denomination's Catechism?

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Postby The Holy NeoSpanish Empire » Sun Sep 15, 2013 12:16 pm

European Socialist Republic wrote:
The Holy NeoSpanish Empire wrote:if you want to be lied by the demon and serve him i let you do it atheists but us catholics we arent going to do it

How can atheists want to serve the demon (you mean the devil?) if they don't believe in demons and devils?


becouse they refuse god ,they help the evil doing so

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Postby Pavlostani » Sun Sep 15, 2013 12:16 pm

European Socialist Republic wrote:
The Holy NeoSpanish Empire wrote:if you want to be lied by the demon and serve him i let you do it atheists but us catholics we arent going to do it

How can atheists want to serve the demon (you mean the devil?) if they don't believe in demons and devils?


An odd about of fundies seem to think we serve the devil. It's really hard to serve someone you don't believe in.
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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Sun Sep 15, 2013 12:16 pm

Shaggai wrote:
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No. It really isn't.


I don't know about you guys, but I'd be perfectly fine with Nuclear Fist's version of creationism:

And on the 1st day, Fist pulled himself out of the abyss. He them proceeded to violently sodomize the abyss, and the big bang happened. God came out 9 months later, and Fist taught his son how to create a universe. It was pretty bad for a first try, but it had hookers and blow. So Fist kept it anyway.

Wait... I thought TNF was Azathoth. That isn't how Azathoth did it. Something is wrong here.

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Postby Pandeeria » Sun Sep 15, 2013 12:16 pm

Sensorland wrote:I can't look at each tree, every one different, each plant, each snowflake, each fingerprint, all different and truly think to myself, "This was an accident. All a coincidence." I choose to believe in creationism, because I have enough proof right here. If the State can't educate people on views besides evolution, then the world is in trouble.


The world is always in trouble. And creationism has no evidence.
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Postby Sensorland » Sun Sep 15, 2013 12:16 pm

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The Holy NeoSpanish Empire wrote:if you want to be lied by the demon and serve him i let you do it atheists but us catholics we arent going to do it

The catholic church has admitted for quite a while now that evolution is real...

Of course it is? But who's to say that what we evolved form wasn't created by a divine being?
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Sensorland wrote:I can't look at each tree, every one different, each plant, each snowflake, each fingerprint, all different and truly think to myself, "This was an accident. All a coincidence." I choose to believe in creationism, because I have enough proof right here. If the State can't educate people on views besides evolution, then the world is in trouble.

I have proof.

http://anthro.palomar.edu/evolve/evolve_3.htm
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/
http://www.txtwriter.com/backgrounders/ ... tents.html
http://bioweb.cs.earlham.edu/9-12/evolu ... /live.html
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrar ... 0/lines_01
http://www.nature.com/nature/newspdf/evolutiongems.pdf
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrar ... _tiktaalik
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrar ... /devitt_01
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrar ... history_23
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrar ... history_16
http://www.allaboutcreation.org/evidenc ... lution.htm
http://www.nyu.edu/projects/fitch/cours ... dence.html
http://www.imls.uzh.ch/research/noll/pu ... 73_785.pdf
http://www.cell.com/developmental-cell/ ... 0703003253
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://www.gate.net/~rwms/hum_ape_chrom.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/07/scien ... .html?_r=1
http://jhered.oxfordjournals.org/content/91/3/221
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 1006000526
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/310/5746/287
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://www.evolutionpages.com/chromosome_2.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-WAHpC0Ah0
http://www.indiana.edu/~ensiweb/lessons/molb.ws.pdf
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v4 ... 331a0.html
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/ ... 050603.php
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/ ... 071801.php
http://www.scripps.edu/newsandviews/e_20060327/evo.html
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://scienceray.com/biology/zoology/a ... maritimus/
http://facstaff.gpc.edu/~pgore/geology/ ... vation.pdf
http://www.nmsr.org/nylon.htm
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc ... l#atavisms

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Postby The Black Forrest » Sun Sep 15, 2013 12:17 pm

Need a name wrote:
Agritum wrote:Because it leads to religious favouritism and eventually Theocracy?


Why is a Theocracy bad?


Well? What do you think of the Islamic countries?
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Postby Lydenburg » Sun Sep 15, 2013 12:17 pm

Dyakovo wrote:
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Sixty years ago, you might have been saying somewhere in the Bible Belt,

"Evolution has no valid evidence. It's pointless and time consuming to teach all these different theories when the correct one is right in front of us."

You see what happens when we talk in absolutes?

The difference being, The Theory of Evolution via Natural Selection is a Scientific Theory, where as creationism/intelligent design is not even a hypothesis.


In today's social context and mindset, quite. I never claimed it doesn't change the facts though.

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Postby Dyakovo » Sun Sep 15, 2013 12:17 pm

Sensorland wrote:I can't look at each tree, every one different, each plant, each snowflake, each fingerprint, all different and truly think to myself, "This was an accident. All a coincidence." I choose to believe in creationism, because I have enough proof right here. If the State can't educate people on views besides evolution, then the world is in trouble.

Your feelings are not proof. They aren't even reliable evidence.
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Pandeeria wrote:
Need a name wrote:
Why?


Separation of church and state. Once you start breaching that line, you slowly descend into a Theocracy, which even a Christian like you must admit that's bad.


Actually a government ruled by God is very good.
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Postby Genivaria » Sun Sep 15, 2013 12:17 pm

The Holy NeoSpanish Empire wrote:
European Socialist Republic wrote:How can atheists want to serve the demon (you mean the devil?) if they don't believe in demons and devils?


becouse they refuse god ,they help the evil doing so

Prove that a god exists and we'll talk.

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Postby Republic of Greater America » Sun Sep 15, 2013 12:17 pm

Need a name wrote:
Agritum wrote:Because it leads to religious favouritism and eventually Theocracy?


Why is a Theocracy bad?


Troll is obvious troll. Okay I'll tell you. With theocracies come only dogma, and with dogma, al-Qaeda and their spawn comes out, sooner or later, you have a war-torn country, look at the Middle East. Most of them are theocracies and look what's happening.

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Postby Great Nepal » Sun Sep 15, 2013 12:17 pm

Sensorland wrote:I can't look at each tree, every one different, each plant, each snowflake, each fingerprint, all different and truly think to myself, "This was an accident. All a coincidence." I choose to believe in creationism, because I have enough proof right here. If the State can't educate people on views besides evolution, then the world is in trouble.

Fortunately, facts doesn't really care about what you can or can not think to yourself. It goes by scientific method and observation.
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Postby European Socialist Republic » Sun Sep 15, 2013 12:18 pm

The Holy NeoSpanish Empire wrote:
European Socialist Republic wrote:How can atheists want to serve the demon (you mean the devil?) if they don't believe in demons and devils?


becouse they refuse god ,they help the evil doing so

God is dead. I killed him. Bastard tried to fight back, but I won!
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Postby Edlichbury » Sun Sep 15, 2013 12:18 pm

Need a name wrote:
Pandeeria wrote:
Separation of church and state. Once you start breaching that line, you slowly descend into a Theocracy, which even a Christian like you must admit that's bad.


Actually a government ruled by God is very good.

Thus why the kingdoms of Israel and Judea fell to pagan non-believers.

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Sensorland wrote:I can't look at each tree, every one different, each plant, each snowflake, each fingerprint, all different and truly think to myself, "This was an accident. All a coincidence." I choose to believe in creationism, because I have enough proof right here. If the State can't educate people on views besides evolution, then the world is in trouble.

The fallacies.

They're raining out of the sky.

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Postby Dyakovo » Sun Sep 15, 2013 12:18 pm

Sensorland wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:The catholic church has admitted for quite a while now that evolution is real...

Of course it is? But who's to say that what we evolved form wasn't created by a divine being?

There is no evidence to support that.
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Postby Lordieth » Sun Sep 15, 2013 12:18 pm

Tatooene wrote:Neither creationism or evolution can be proved or disproved, so why should we not have schools teaching both of the theories? It would be terribly close-minded to take either one of them out of the classroom.


Creationism is not a theory. It's a belief. Theories are based on evidence. Belief belongs in religious text books. Theories belong in science text books.
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Sensorland wrote:I can't look at each tree, every one different, each plant, each snowflake, each fingerprint, all different and truly think to myself, "This was an accident. All a coincidence." I choose to believe in creationism, because I have enough proof right here. If the State can't educate people on views besides evolution, then the world is in trouble.

your logical fallacy is.
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The Black Forrest wrote:
Need a name wrote:
Why is a Theocracy bad?


Well? What do you think of the Islamic countries?


Well it depends on which god.
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Génesis 1

Genesis 1

Génesis 1:1 ^
En el principio crió Dios los cielos y la tierra.
Genesis 1:1 ^
In the beginning God made the heaven and the earth.
Génesis 1:2 ^
Y la tierra estaba desordenada y vacía, y las tinieblas estaban sobre la haz del abismo, y el Espíritu de Dios se movía sobre la haz de las aguas.
Genesis 1:2 ^
And the earth was waste and without form; and it was dark on the face of the deep: and the Spirit of God was moving on the face of the waters.
Génesis 1:3 ^
Y dijo Dios: Sea la luz: y fué la luz.
Genesis 1:3 ^
And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
Génesis 1:4 ^
Y vió Dios que la luz era buena: y apartó Dios la luz de las tinieblas.
Genesis 1:4 ^
And God, looking on the light, saw that it was good: and God made a division between the light and the dark,
Génesis 1:5 ^
Y llamó Dios á la luz Día, y á las tinieblas llamó Noche: y fué la tarde y la mañana un día.
Genesis 1:5 ^
Naming the light, Day, and the dark, Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.
Génesis 1:6 ^
Y dijo Dios: Haya expansión en medio de las aguas, y separe las aguas de las aguas.
Genesis 1:6 ^
And God said, Let there be a solid arch stretching over the waters, parting the waters from the waters.
Génesis 1:7 ^
E hizo Dios la expansión, y apartó las aguas que estaban debajo de la expansión, de las aguas que estaban sobre la expansión: y fué así.
Genesis 1:7 ^
And God made the arch for a division between the waters which were under the arch and those which were over it: and it was so.
Génesis 1:8 ^
Y llamó Dios á la expansión Cielos: y fué la tarde y la mañana el día segundo.
Genesis 1:8 ^
And God gave the arch the name of Heaven. And there was evening and there was morning, the second day.
Génesis 1:9 ^
Y dijo Dios: Júntense las aguas que están debajo de los cielos en un lugar, y descúbrase la seca: y fué así.
Genesis 1:9 ^
And God said, Let the waters under the heaven come together in one place, and let the dry land be seen: and it was so.
Génesis 1:10 ^
Y llamó Dios á la seca Tierra, y á la reunión de las aguas llamó Mares: y vió Dios que era bueno.
Genesis 1:10 ^
And God gave the dry land the name of Earth; and the waters together in their place were named Seas: and God saw that it was good.
Génesis 1:11 ^
Y dijo Dios: Produzca la tierra hierba verde, hierba que dé simiente; árbol de fruto que dé fruto según su género, que su simiente esté en él, sobre la tierra: y fué así.
Genesis 1:11 ^
And God said, Let grass come up on the earth, and plants producing seed, and fruit-trees giving fruit, in which is their seed, after their sort: and it was so.
Génesis 1:12 ^
Y produjo la tierra hierba verde, hierba que da simiente según su naturaleza, y árbol que da fruto, cuya simiente está en él, según su género: y vió Dios que era bueno.
Genesis 1:12 ^
And grass came up on the earth, and every plant producing seed of its sort, and every tree producing fruit, in which is its seed, of its sort: and God saw that it was good.
Génesis 1:13 ^
Y fué la tarde y la mañana el día tercero.
Genesis 1:13 ^
And there was evening and there was morning, the third day.
Génesis 1:14 ^
Y dijo Dios: Sean lumbreras en la expansión de los cielos para apartar el día y la noche: y sean por señales, y para las estaciones, y para días y años;
Genesis 1:14 ^
And God said, Let there be lights in the arch of heaven, for a division between the day and the night, and let them be for signs, and for marking the changes of the year, and for days and for years:
Génesis 1:15 ^
Y sean por lumbreras en la expansión de los cielos para alumbrar sobre la tierra: y fue.
Genesis 1:15 ^
And let them be for lights in the arch of heaven to give light on the earth: and it was so.
Génesis 1:16 ^
E hizo Dios las dos grandes lumbreras; la lumbrera mayor para que señorease en el día, y la lumbrera menor para que señorease en la noche: hizo también las estrellas.
Genesis 1:16 ^
And God made the two great lights: the greater light to be the ruler of the day, and the smaller light to be the ruler of the night: and he made the stars.
Génesis 1:17 ^
Y púsolas Dios en la expansión de los cielos, para alumbrar sobre la tierra,
Genesis 1:17 ^
And God put them in the arch of heaven, to give light on the earth;
Génesis 1:18 ^
Y para señorear en el día y en la noche, y para apartar la luz y las tinieblas: y vió Dios que era bueno.
Genesis 1:18 ^
To have rule over the day and the night, and for a division between the light and the dark: and God saw that it was good.
Génesis 1:19 ^
Y fué la tarde y la mañana el día cuarto.
Genesis 1:19 ^
And there was evening and there was morning, the fourth day.
Génesis 1:20 ^
Y dijo Dios: Produzcan las aguas reptil de ánima viviente, y aves que vuelen sobre la tierra, en la abierta expansión de los cielos.
Genesis 1:20 ^
And God said, Let the waters be full of living things, and let birds be in flight over the earth under the arch of heaven.
Génesis 1:21 ^
Y crió Dios las grandes ballenas, y toda cosa viva que anda arrastrando, que las aguas produjeron según su género, y toda ave alada según su especie: y vió Dios que era bueno.
Genesis 1:21 ^
And God made great sea-beasts, and every sort of living and moving thing with which the waters were full, and every sort of winged bird: and God saw that it was good.
Génesis 1:22 ^
Y Dios los bendijo diciendo: Fructificad y multiplicad, y henchid las aguas en los mares, y las aves se multipliquen en la tierra.
Genesis 1:22 ^
And God gave them his blessing, saying, Be fertile and have increase, making all the waters of the seas full, and let the birds be increased in the earth.
Génesis 1:23 ^
Y fué la tarde y la mañana el día quinto.
Genesis 1:23 ^
And there was evening and there was morning, the fifth day.
Génesis 1:24 ^
Y dijo Dios: Produzca la tierra seres vivientes según su género, bestias y serpientes y animales de la tierra según su especie: y fué así.
Genesis 1:24 ^
And God said, Let the earth give birth to all sorts of living things, cattle and all things moving on the earth, and beasts of the earth after their sort: and it was so.
Génesis 1:25 ^
E hizo Dios animales de la tierra según su género, y ganado según su género, y todo animal que anda arrastrando sobre la tierra según su especie: y vió Dios que era bueno.
Genesis 1:25 ^
And God made the beast of the earth after its sort, and the cattle after their sort, and everything moving on the face of the earth after its sort: and God saw that it was good.
Génesis 1:26 ^
Y dijo Dios: Hagamos al hombre á nuestra imagen, conforme á nuestra semejanza; y señoree en los peces de la mar, y en las aves de los cielos, y en las bestias, y en toda la tierra, y en todo animal que anda arrastrando sobre la tierra.
Genesis 1:26 ^
And God said, Let us make man in our image, like us: and let him have rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the air and over the cattle and over all the earth and over every living thing which goes flat on the earth.
Génesis 1:27 ^
Y crió Dios al hombre á su imagen, á imagen de Dios lo crió; varón y hembra los crió.
Genesis 1:27 ^
And God made man in his image, in the image of God he made him: male and female he made them.
Génesis 1:28 ^
Y los bendijo Dios; y díjoles Dios: Fructificad y multiplicad, y henchid la tierra, y sojuzgadla, y señoread en los peces de la mar, y en las aves de los cielos, y en todas las bestias que se mueven sobre la tierra.
Genesis 1:28 ^
And God gave them his blessing and said to them, Be fertile and have increase, and make the earth full and be masters of it; be rulers over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the air and over every living thing moving on the earth.
Génesis 1:29 ^
Y dijo Dios: He aquí que os he dado toda hierba que da simiente, que está sobre la haz de toda la tierra; y todo árbol en que hay fruto de árbol que da simiente, seros ha para comer.
Genesis 1:29 ^
And God said, See, I have given you every plant producing seed, on the face of all the earth, and every tree which has fruit producing seed: they will be for your food:
Génesis 1:30 ^
Y á toda bestia de la tierra, y á todas las aves de los cielos, y á todo lo que se mueve sobre la tierra, en que hay vida, toda hierba verde les será para comer: y fué así.
Genesis 1:30 ^
And to every beast of the earth and to every bird of the air and every living thing moving on the face of the earth I have given every green plant for food: and it was so.
Génesis 1:31 ^
Y vió Dios todo lo que había hecho, y he aquí que era bueno en gran manera. Y fué la tarde y la mañana el día sexto.
Genesis 1:31 ^
And God saw everything which he had made and it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Sun Sep 15, 2013 12:18 pm

Republic of Greater America wrote:
Need a name wrote:
Why is a Theocracy bad?


Okay I'll tell you. With theocracies come only dogma, and with dogma, al-Qaeda and their spawn comes out, sooner or later, you have a war-torn country, look at the Middle East. Most of them are theocracies and look what's happening.


You might want to edit the part as shown. There is a rule about troll naming.
*I am a master proofreader after I click Submit.
* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
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