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Postby Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f » Mon Sep 09, 2013 6:28 am

Seems that James Blunt, singer of a world wide hit "You're Beautiful" refused an order from Wesley Clarke to attack a Russian contingent that was holding an airport during the dark days of the Kosovo war.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-11753050

Singer James Blunt 'prevented World War III'

Singer James Blunt has told the BBC how he refused an order to attack Russian troops when he was a British soldier in Kosovo. Blunt said he was willing to risk a court martial by rejecting the order from a US General.

But he was backed by British Gen Sir Mike Jackson, who said: "I'm not going to have my soldiers be responsible for starting World War III."

Blunt was ordered to seize an airfield, but the Russians had got there first.

In an interview with BBC Radio 5 live, broadcast on Sunday, he said: "I was given the direct command to overpower the 200 or so Russians who were there.

"The soldiers directly behind me were from the Parachute Regiment, so they're obviously game for the fight.

"The direct command [that] came in from Gen Wesley Clark was to overpower them. Various words were used that seemed unusual to us. Words such as 'destroy' came down the radio."

The confusion surrounding the taking of Pristina airfield in 1999 has been written about in political memoirs, and was widely reported at the time.

But this is the first time Blunt has given an account of his role in the incident.

Blunt, who was at the head of a column of 30,000 Nato troops with his unit, told Pienaar's Politics it was a "mad situation".

He said he had been "party to the conversation" between senior officers in which Gen Clark had ordered the attack.

"We had 200 Russians lined up pointing their weapons at us aggressively, which was... and you know we'd been told to reach the airfield and take a hold of it.

"And if we had a foothold there then it would make life much easier for the Nato forces in Pristina. So there was a political reason to take hold of this.

"And the practical consequences of that political reason would be then aggression against the Russians."
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Asked if following the order would have risked starting World War III, Blunt, who was a 25-year-old cavalry officer at the time, replied: "Absolutely. And that's why we were querying our instruction from an American general.

"Fortunately, up on the radio came Gen Mike Jackson, whose exact words at the time were, 'I'm not going to have my soldiers be responsible for starting World War III', and told us why don't we sugar off down the road, you know, encircle the airfield instead.

"And after a couple of days the Russians there said: 'Hang on we have no food and no water. Can we share the airfield with you?'."

If Gen Jackson had not blocked the order from Gen Clark, who as Nato Supreme Commander Europe was his superior officer, Blunt said he would still have declined to follow it, even at the risk of a court martial.

He said: "There are things that you do along the way that you know are right, and those that you absolutely feel are wrong, that I think it's morally important to stand up against, and that sense of moral judgement is drilled into us as soldiers in the British army."

Blunt left the Army in 2002 to pursue a career in music, later scoring a worldwide hit with You're Beautiful.


Well there you have it...good old British professionalism trumps Rambo-esque shoot first ask questions later.

Also another great example that US military leaders tend towards the fucking nuts side of the spectrum. Still had been Westmoreland in charge he's have done a MacArthur. So for the purposes of debate...is it good that Clarke's subordinate General Mike Jackson told Blunt to ignore the direct order given from Clarke to attack the Russians?

Needless to say I would be of the mind that it was. I would also say that Clarke should have been relieved from duty pending a "are fucking insane?" evaluation.
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Postby West Faristan2 » Mon Sep 09, 2013 6:35 am

James Blunt and Micheal Jackson prevented World War III? There is nothing about this story that isn't friggin awesome.
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Postby Dyakovo » Mon Sep 09, 2013 6:54 am

Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f wrote:Seems that James Blunt, singer of a world wide hit "You're Beautiful" refused an order from Wesley Clarke to attack a Russian contingent that was holding an airport during the dark days of the Kosovo war.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-11753050

Singer James Blunt 'prevented World War III'

Singer James Blunt has told the BBC how he refused an order to attack Russian troops when he was a British soldier in Kosovo. Blunt said he was willing to risk a court martial by rejecting the order from a US General.

But he was backed by British Gen Sir Mike Jackson, who said: "I'm not going to have my soldiers be responsible for starting World War III."

Blunt was ordered to seize an airfield, but the Russians had got there first.

In an interview with BBC Radio 5 live, broadcast on Sunday, he said: "I was given the direct command to overpower the 200 or so Russians who were there.

"The soldiers directly behind me were from the Parachute Regiment, so they're obviously game for the fight.

"The direct command [that] came in from Gen Wesley Clark was to overpower them. Various words were used that seemed unusual to us. Words such as 'destroy' came down the radio."

The confusion surrounding the taking of Pristina airfield in 1999 has been written about in political memoirs, and was widely reported at the time.

But this is the first time Blunt has given an account of his role in the incident.

Blunt, who was at the head of a column of 30,000 Nato troops with his unit, told Pienaar's Politics it was a "mad situation".

He said he had been "party to the conversation" between senior officers in which Gen Clark had ordered the attack.

"We had 200 Russians lined up pointing their weapons at us aggressively, which was... and you know we'd been told to reach the airfield and take a hold of it.

"And if we had a foothold there then it would make life much easier for the Nato forces in Pristina. So there was a political reason to take hold of this.

"And the practical consequences of that political reason would be then aggression against the Russians."
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Asked if following the order would have risked starting World War III, Blunt, who was a 25-year-old cavalry officer at the time, replied: "Absolutely. And that's why we were querying our instruction from an American general.

"Fortunately, up on the radio came Gen Mike Jackson, whose exact words at the time were, 'I'm not going to have my soldiers be responsible for starting World War III', and told us why don't we sugar off down the road, you know, encircle the airfield instead.

"And after a couple of days the Russians there said: 'Hang on we have no food and no water. Can we share the airfield with you?'."

If Gen Jackson had not blocked the order from Gen Clark, who as Nato Supreme Commander Europe was his superior officer, Blunt said he would still have declined to follow it, even at the risk of a court martial.

He said: "There are things that you do along the way that you know are right, and those that you absolutely feel are wrong, that I think it's morally important to stand up against, and that sense of moral judgement is drilled into us as soldiers in the British army."

Blunt left the Army in 2002 to pursue a career in music, later scoring a worldwide hit with You're Beautiful.


Well there you have it...good old British professionalism trumps Rambo-esque shoot first ask questions later.

Also another great example that US military leaders tend towards the fucking nuts side of the spectrum. Still had been Westmoreland in charge he's have done a MacArthur. So for the purposes of debate...is it good that Clarke's subordinate General Mike Jackson told Blunt to ignore the direct order given from Clarke to attack the Russians?

Needless to say I would be of the mind that it was. I would also say that Clarke should have been relieved from duty pending a "are fucking insane?" evaluation.

I see no reason to believe James Blunt's account of what happened.
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Postby Purpelia » Mon Sep 09, 2013 6:56 am

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Postby The Parkus Empire » Mon Sep 09, 2013 6:59 am

Smells like bullshit.
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Postby Risottia » Mon Sep 09, 2013 7:04 am

The Parkus Empire wrote:Smells like bullshit.

The bit about the rush for the Pristina airport and Sir Mike telling Clarke to go jump in the lake is valid and confirmed.
Dunno about mr.Blunt himself.
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Postby The Archregimancy » Mon Sep 09, 2013 7:42 am

Dyakovo wrote:I see no reason to believe James Blunt's account of what happened.


The Parkus Empire wrote:Smells like bullshit.


Risottia wrote:The bit about the rush for the Pristina airport and Sir Mike telling Clarke to go jump in the lake is valid and confirmed.
Dunno about mr.Blunt himself.


The link in the OP contains a 30 second audio clip from a radio interview with Sir Michael Jackson confirming Mr. Blunt's account, and referring to Mr. Blunt by name.

This isn't a new story though; it's been doing the round for years, and the OP link is from an interview Blunt gave in 2010.

Here's a newspaper version of the same story from the same year: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/peopl ... 34203.html

Captain Blount - as he then was - was a captain in the Life Guards in 1999, and was the lead officer at the head of the NATO column advancing on Pristina airfield. This is a matter of public record which can be checked by anyone with the inclination.

However, note that it's not so much that he personally refused to carry out Wesley Clark's order, but rather that he queried the order and then stalled for long enough for Sir Michael Jackson to countermand the order.

"The direct command [that] came in from General Wesley Clark was to overpower them," he said. "Various words were used that seemed unusual to us. Words such as 'destroy' came down the radio. We had 200 Russians lined up pointing their weapons at us aggressively ... and we'd been told to reach the airfield and take a hold of it. That's why we were querying our instruction." The end result was a victory for British common sense. "Fortunately," Blunt recalled, "up on the radio came General Sir Mike Jackson [commander of the British forces], whose words were, 'I'm not going to have my soldiers start World War Three.' He told us, 'Why don't we encircle the airfield instead?'


Blunt / Blount claims he would have refused to carry out Clark's order anyway; there's some room for speculation on that point - and our American cousins might well query the bit about "a victory for British common sense" - but otherwise the account is entirely factual.

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Postby Battenburgia » Mon Sep 09, 2013 8:11 am

it's so sad that a man who has the guts to flick the Vs at the mad americans has his name used as rhyming slang for a lady's whoo-haa :(

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Postby Fartsniffage » Mon Sep 09, 2013 8:17 am

The Archregimancy wrote:This isn't a new story though; it's been doing the round for years, and the OP link is from an interview Blunt gave in 2010.


James Blunt talked about this when he was on Top Gear years back. 2007 now I've looked it up.

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Postby Cyborg Holland » Mon Sep 09, 2013 8:19 am

James Blunt? World War Three? Gotta be joke in there somewhere...

I'll edit in a pun when I think of one...

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Postby Tlik » Mon Sep 09, 2013 8:35 am

Cyborg Holland wrote:James Blunt? World War Three? Gotta be joke in there somewhere...

I'll edit in a pun when I think of one...

I'll be blunt here, I don't think there are any.

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Postby L Ron Cupboard » Mon Sep 09, 2013 8:45 am

So I am guessing he has a new album coming out soon. If he has I don't really think the BBC should have run this story.

Did he change his name from Blount so that it rhymed better?
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Postby AiliailiA » Mon Sep 09, 2013 8:45 am

Fartsniffage wrote:
The Archregimancy wrote:This isn't a new story though; it's been doing the round for years, and the OP link is from an interview Blunt gave in 2010.


James Blunt talked about this when he was on Top Gear years back. 2007 now I've looked it up.


I was thinking "James Blunt? Is he a credible source?" but now that you assure me it was on Top Gear! That's some major cred right there.
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Postby AiliailiA » Mon Sep 09, 2013 8:49 am

L Ron Cupboard wrote:So I am guessing he has a new album coming out soon. If he has I don't really think the BBC should have run this story.

Did he change his name from Blount so that it rhymed better?


Perhaps concerned that with that spelling fans might mistake him for Blondie.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Mon Sep 09, 2013 8:57 am

Ailiailia wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
James Blunt talked about this when he was on Top Gear years back. 2007 now I've looked it up.


I was thinking "James Blunt? Is he a credible source?" but now that you assure me it was on Top Gear! That's some major cred right there.


I was addressing the age of the story, not its veracity. As you well know....

Edit - Hah, just looked at the date of the BBC article...... 14 November 2010 Last updated at 13:24
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Frisbeeteria wrote:I was totally expecting to get RickRolled when I clicked the link in the OP.


Um ... did www.bbc.co.uk arouse suspicion?

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I was thinking "James Blunt? Is he a credible source?" but now that you assure me it was on Top Gear! That's some major cred right there.


I was addressing the age of the story, not its veracity.


Yeah, I was farting around.

Top Gear have broken some genuine stories, more I think by the good intentions of their guests than any journalistic skill or background research on their part. For that matter, the hosts aren't as gormless as they seem, they have researchers.
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Postby Aequalitia » Mon Sep 09, 2013 9:21 am

Core of this story: Making from something small to a major story who does it good in the newspapers. No matter what he did, he would never cause a major war.
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Postby Terrordome » Mon Sep 09, 2013 9:33 am

So he was ordered to kill the Russians facing him, he saw their faces, in a crowded place.

And he did not know what to do.
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Tlik wrote:
Cyborg Holland wrote:James Blunt? World War Three? Gotta be joke in there somewhere...

I'll edit in a pun when I think of one...

I'll be blunt here, I don't think there are any.

Reality sometimes looks like a Monty Python sketch. This situation pretty much was its own pun, even though I'm not entirely sure how that even works.
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Postby Condunum » Mon Sep 09, 2013 10:01 am

Aequalitia wrote:Core of this story: Making from something small to a major story who does it good in the newspapers. No matter what he did, he would never cause a major war.

So you can say with absolute faith in your words that leading as assault on 200 Russian soldiers would not have sparked a large international incident, possibly a war between superpowers?
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Terrordome wrote:So he was ordered to kill the Russians facing him, he saw their faces, in a crowded place.

And he did not know what to do.


No ... if we believe him, he knew what not to do.

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Hurdegaryp wrote:
Tlik wrote:I'll be blunt here, I don't think there are any.

Reality sometimes looks like a Monty Python sketch. This situation pretty much was its own pun, even though I'm not entirely sure how that even works.

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Postby Greed and Death » Mon Sep 09, 2013 10:56 am

The Archregimancy wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:I see no reason to believe James Blunt's account of what happened.


The Parkus Empire wrote:Smells like bullshit.


Risottia wrote:The bit about the rush for the Pristina airport and Sir Mike telling Clarke to go jump in the lake is valid and confirmed.
Dunno about mr.Blunt himself.


The link in the OP contains a 30 second audio clip from a radio interview with Sir Michael Jackson confirming Mr. Blunt's account, and referring to Mr. Blunt by name.

This isn't a new story though; it's been doing the round for years, and the OP link is from an interview Blunt gave in 2010.

Here's a newspaper version of the same story from the same year: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/peopl ... 34203.html

Captain Blount - as he then was - was a captain in the Life Guards in 1999, and was the lead officer at the head of the NATO column advancing on Pristina airfield. This is a matter of public record which can be checked by anyone with the inclination.

However, note that it's not so much that he personally refused to carry out Wesley Clark's order, but rather that he queried the order and then stalled for long enough for Sir Michael Jackson to countermand the order.

"The direct command [that] came in from General Wesley Clark was to overpower them," he said. "Various words were used that seemed unusual to us. Words such as 'destroy' came down the radio. We had 200 Russians lined up pointing their weapons at us aggressively ... and we'd been told to reach the airfield and take a hold of it. That's why we were querying our instruction." The end result was a victory for British common sense. "Fortunately," Blunt recalled, "up on the radio came General Sir Mike Jackson [commander of the British forces], whose words were, 'I'm not going to have my soldiers start World War Three.' He told us, 'Why don't we encircle the airfield instead?'


Blunt / Blount claims he would have refused to carry out Clark's order anyway; there's some room for speculation on that point - and our American cousins might well query the bit about "a victory for British common sense" - but otherwise the account is entirely factual.


Blunt was a recon officer, he questioned the continued validity of an order to recon and gain a foothold when the airfield was occupied by Russians. Since British Junior officers require more hand holding it took a British General to explain that if you can not occupy it do the next best thing and encircle it.
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