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by Munrova » Wed Jul 24, 2013 1:06 pm
by Dyakovo » Wed Jul 24, 2013 2:03 pm
Ucropi wrote:The wedding ring symbolizes the wife is shackled to her owner or husband, and should be discontinued.
Blasveck wrote:Genivaria wrote:No church is being 'forced' to wed anyone, and they should lose their tax exemption anyway.
Aren't they classified as 501c organizations, just like any other charity organization, like the American Atheists organization? I don't think ONLY churches get tax exempt status. Correct me if I'm wrong on this.
Divair wrote:Blasveck wrote:
Aren't they classified as 501c organizations, just like any other charity organization, like the American Atheists organization? I don't think ONLY churches get tax exempt status. Correct me if I'm wrong on this.
They automatically get 501c even though many of them are for-profit or lobby the government. If they're actually charities, then they should apply for 501c like every other organization.
by Caninope » Wed Jul 24, 2013 7:23 pm
The Flood wrote:Raurosia wrote:
Again, according to my religion God is fine with it. So why do you assume that your beliefs are the only beliefs?
Because Protestants are heretics, nothing they preach matters in the slightest, it's all baloney. It's a sect founded by an insane king so he could divorce his wife, or a fat guy who accidentally started a religion, or some other hipster kid that didn't want to follow the rules. There's no legitimacy to any of it.
Agritum wrote:Arg, Caninope is Captain America under disguise. Everyone knows it.
Frisivisia wrote:Me wrote:Just don't. It'll get you a whole lot further in life if you come to realize you're not the smartest guy in the room, even if you probably are.
Because Caninope may be in that room with you.
Nightkill the Emperor wrote:Thankfully, we have you and EM to guide us to wisdom and truth, holy one. :p
Norstal wrote:What I am saying of course is that we should clone Caninope.
by Caninope » Wed Jul 24, 2013 7:25 pm
Divair wrote:Blasveck wrote:
Aren't they classified as 501c organizations, just like any other charity organization, like the American Atheists organization? I don't think ONLY churches get tax exempt status. Correct me if I'm wrong on this.
They automatically get 501c even though many of them are for-profit or lobby the government. If they're actually charities, then they should apply for 501c like every other organization.
Agritum wrote:Arg, Caninope is Captain America under disguise. Everyone knows it.
Frisivisia wrote:Me wrote:Just don't. It'll get you a whole lot further in life if you come to realize you're not the smartest guy in the room, even if you probably are.
Because Caninope may be in that room with you.
Nightkill the Emperor wrote:Thankfully, we have you and EM to guide us to wisdom and truth, holy one. :p
Norstal wrote:What I am saying of course is that we should clone Caninope.
by Caninope » Wed Jul 24, 2013 7:26 pm
Dyakovo wrote:Yup. One of my main arguments against churches being automatically tax exempt.
Agritum wrote:Arg, Caninope is Captain America under disguise. Everyone knows it.
Frisivisia wrote:Me wrote:Just don't. It'll get you a whole lot further in life if you come to realize you're not the smartest guy in the room, even if you probably are.
Because Caninope may be in that room with you.
Nightkill the Emperor wrote:Thankfully, we have you and EM to guide us to wisdom and truth, holy one. :p
Norstal wrote:What I am saying of course is that we should clone Caninope.
by Mkuki » Wed Jul 24, 2013 7:35 pm
The Flood wrote:Raurosia wrote:
Again, according to my religion God is fine with it. So why do you assume that your beliefs are the only beliefs?
Because Protestants are heretics, nothing they preach matters in the slightest, it's all baloney. It's a sect founded by an insane king so he could divorce his wife, or a fat guy who accidentally started a religion, or some other hipster kid that didn't want to follow the rules. There's no legitimacy to any of it.
John Rawls wrote:In justice as fairness, the concept of right is prior to that of the good.
by Breadknife » Wed Jul 24, 2013 8:53 pm
I, personally, don't see a "product" as necessary in the definition of what a profit is (although they do have a product, in the same way as a lecturer or a consultant or a private tutor has a product...)Caninope wrote:Define "for-profit" because I don't really see how a church can be "for-profit", since it's not selling a product.
by Grenartia » Thu Jul 25, 2013 1:59 pm
Abritus wrote:1. Why should they marry at all 2. i ask you after all they can't raise a family outside of adoption and when it comes to adoption a child needs a mother and a father....I mean yeah sure 'EQUALLITY" and 3. all of that scooby-doo liberal idiocracy but really 4. why do they want to get married at all, are they after the benefits that comes from marriage and adoption 5. i mean they don't really care about any kind of equallity do they?
6. They are just after their own agenda and the liberals are using them as strawmen against their opponents for their own gain and i personaly disagree with same sex marriage because it's just a silly idea that offers society nothing of value except for a libtardic rastafaresque college boy version of 'FREEDOM' and 'EQUALLITY' and all of that social retardation and what not.
7. Why don't they settle for same-sex unions?
8. Do they really have to bash the church and people's faith worldwide to prove a retarded point?
Diopolis wrote:An abomination performed only by heretical churches.
Boo-Hoo Place wrote:Very hypocritical. The Christian religion is against homosexuality.
Grave_n_idle wrote:Abritus wrote:Oh lovely, i like how liberals and socialists are always triyng to document everything so that they can fool themselves that they are in control and as for your 'source' maybe you should ask your makers for that.
Yes, you're right. Having evidence is a communist plot.
Abritus wrote:Divair wrote:Gotta love NSG summer users who can't even spell properly, let alone debate without going off-topic and using countless logical fallacies.
Maybe come back when you're a few years older and can sustain an argument for longer than two posts, eh?
Ah, the good old fashioned liberal response 'HURR, DURR I SPELL BETTA THAN YAOU THAT MEANES I AM TEH SMARTER THAN YOUS' you gotta love that topic evasive comeback.
The Flood wrote:Raurosia wrote:
Again, according to my religion God is fine with it. So why do you assume that your beliefs are the only beliefs?
Because Protestants are heretics, nothing they preach matters in the slightest, it's all baloney. It's a sect founded by an insane king so he could divorce his wife, or a fat guy who accidentally started a religion, or some other hipster kid that didn't want to follow the rules. There's no legitimacy to any of it.
Caninope wrote:The Flood wrote:Because Protestants are heretics, nothing they preach matters in the slightest, it's all baloney. It's a sect founded by an insane king so he could divorce his wife, or a fat guy who accidentally started a religion, or some other hipster kid that didn't want to follow the rules. There's no legitimacy to any of it.
I really don't know what to say about this, as a Southern Baptist.
I mean, really.
Caninope wrote:Divair wrote:They automatically get 501c even though many of them are for-profit or lobby the government. If they're actually charities, then they should apply for 501c like every other organization.
Define "for-profit" because I don't really see how a church can be "for-profit", since it's not selling a product.
As for lobbying, churches are subject to the same restrictions as other 501(c)3s, IIRC.
by Luveria » Thu Jul 25, 2013 3:08 pm
Grenartia wrote:Caninope wrote:Define "for-profit" because I don't really see how a church can be "for-profit", since it's not selling a product.
As for lobbying, churches are subject to the same restrictions as other 501(c)3s, IIRC.
You know, those megachurches where the pastors make millions off of tithes, selling DVDs, etc.
And all of that money doesn't go to actual church expenses, like upkeep, missions, etc.
by The Parkus Empire » Thu Jul 25, 2013 3:17 pm
Luveria wrote:Grenartia wrote:
You know, those megachurches where the pastors make millions off of tithes, selling DVDs, etc.
And all of that money doesn't go to actual church expenses, like upkeep, missions, etc.
As much as I dislike churches being tax-exempt, there are non-religious non-profit organizations with executives being paid millions in wages and bonuses such as the NRA.
Those megachurches aren't doing anything other non-profits aren't doing.
by Genivaria » Thu Jul 25, 2013 4:01 pm
Luveria wrote:Grenartia wrote:
You know, those megachurches where the pastors make millions off of tithes, selling DVDs, etc.
And all of that money doesn't go to actual church expenses, like upkeep, missions, etc.
As much as I dislike churches being tax-exempt, there are non-religious non-profit organizations with executives being paid millions in wages and bonuses such as the NRA.
Those megachurches aren't doing anything other non-profits aren't doing.
by The New World Oceania » Thu Jul 25, 2013 4:52 pm
by Luveria » Thu Jul 25, 2013 4:55 pm
The New World Oceania wrote:Luveria wrote:I didn't say all at once. I meant over time, similar to how pastors can get millions over time but not always all at once.
Churches are businesses. Granted, they are tax-exempt businesses, but they're businesses. The LDS Church has those rumors going around that they own huge Coca-cola shares. The Vatican, too, owns large shares in billions of people.
by Blasveck » Thu Jul 25, 2013 5:44 pm
Luveria wrote:The New World Oceania wrote:
Churches are businesses. Granted, they are tax-exempt businesses, but they're businesses. The LDS Church has those rumors going around that they own huge Coca-cola shares. The Vatican, too, owns large shares in billions of people.
I'm well aware churches are businesses. I'd like them to see them taxed as such instead of being in the non-profit category. They'd still survive just fine paying taxes.
by Grave_n_idle » Thu Jul 25, 2013 5:47 pm
by Luveria » Thu Jul 25, 2013 5:50 pm
by The North Polish Union » Thu Jul 25, 2013 7:11 pm
Luveria wrote:The New World Oceania wrote:
Churches are businesses. Granted, they are tax-exempt businesses, but they're businesses. The LDS Church has those rumors going around that they own huge Coca-cola shares. The Vatican, too, owns large shares in billions of people.
I'm well aware churches are businesses. I'd like them to see them taxed as such instead of being in the non-profit category. They'd still survive just fine paying taxes.
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:keep your wet opinions to yourself. Byzantium and Ottoman will not come again. Whoever thinks of this wet dream will feel the power of the Republic's secular army.
Minskiev wrote:You are GP's dross.
Petrovsegratsk wrote:NPU, I know your clearly a Polish nationalist, but wtf is up with your obssession with resurrecting the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth?
The yoshin empire wrote:Grouping russians with slavs is like grouping germans with french , the two are so culturally different.
by The North Polish Union » Thu Jul 25, 2013 7:24 pm
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:keep your wet opinions to yourself. Byzantium and Ottoman will not come again. Whoever thinks of this wet dream will feel the power of the Republic's secular army.
Minskiev wrote:You are GP's dross.
Petrovsegratsk wrote:NPU, I know your clearly a Polish nationalist, but wtf is up with your obssession with resurrecting the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth?
The yoshin empire wrote:Grouping russians with slavs is like grouping germans with french , the two are so culturally different.
by Desperauex » Thu Jul 25, 2013 7:27 pm
Frisivisia wrote:I'd like to euthanize everyone who advocates euthanasia.
New Rogernomics, on the Craig Cobbs wrote:Send gay porn anonymously to his mail box, using made up names and return addresses. That should be fun.
Vetalia, on NSA Tracking wrote:Nah, they stop monitoring regular communications at 5pm, pretty much everything after that involves combing the data for the best porn links.
Industrien wrote:Because screw science, my 3000 year old book is always right.
Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:Welcome to the back of my van, we have beer and weed.
by Vazdania » Thu Jul 25, 2013 7:27 pm
by Desperauex » Thu Jul 25, 2013 7:29 pm
Frisivisia wrote:I'd like to euthanize everyone who advocates euthanasia.
New Rogernomics, on the Craig Cobbs wrote:Send gay porn anonymously to his mail box, using made up names and return addresses. That should be fun.
Vetalia, on NSA Tracking wrote:Nah, they stop monitoring regular communications at 5pm, pretty much everything after that involves combing the data for the best porn links.
Industrien wrote:Because screw science, my 3000 year old book is always right.
Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:Welcome to the back of my van, we have beer and weed.
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