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Postby Horsefish » Mon Nov 19, 2012 3:46 am

Surely banning unions is illegal?
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Postby Grave_n_idle » Mon Nov 19, 2012 4:39 am

Horsefish wrote:Surely banning unions is illegal?


Welcome to the world of 'at will' employment. You can be relieved of your duty for any cause, or even for no cause.
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Postby Greed and Death » Mon Nov 19, 2012 7:38 am

Knowing how Americans shop striking workers run a risk of being trampled to death.
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Postby MasterMiind » Mon Nov 19, 2012 8:05 am

Ptarsu wrote:
Dread Lady Nathicana wrote:What's chiefly needed here, is for people to NOT support this shit, by NOT going out and shopping on the goram holiday, nor supporting ridiculous hours that some of these stores put their workers through just to make a few more bucks.

If there weren't a demand for it, it wouldn't be an issue.

I agree, I have to be at my store four in the fucking morning.


Lucky you, I go in 6PM on Thanksgiving (Thursday) and get off at 7AM on Friday.

Walmart is great for that. I'm so glad I "volunteered" for this shift.

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Postby Greed and Death » Mon Nov 19, 2012 8:07 am

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Horsefish wrote:Surely banning unions is illegal?


Welcome to the world of 'at will' employment. You can be relieved of your duty for any cause, or even for no cause.


No no you cant fire people for forming a union, you can have paid seminars on why unions are bad, and if they unionize you can close the store down and open a new one a few miles away. Strangely it is illegal to threaten to close the store if people try to unionize, but ok to do it without a threat.
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Postby MasterMiind » Mon Nov 19, 2012 8:09 am

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JonathanAtopia wrote:Walmart is planning a Black Friday strike just because the opening at 8pm Thanksgiving but all the other stores that on Thanksgiving workers are not complaining one bit even Target just found out

http://money.cnn.com/2012/11/18/news/wa ... ck-friday/

If I was the owner of Wal-mart I would fire anyone who protests on sight.
I don't even know why they aren't doing that, I mean their employees sure would love their wages when they are bums out on the street.


Actually, anyone who doesn't show up for their Black Friday shift or who leaves during it, will be fired immediately.

At least, this is what we were told at our store when we had a meeting about this strike.

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Postby Hippostania » Mon Nov 19, 2012 8:19 am

Hopefully all the strikers will be fired; Black Friday is a very important day for Walmart and every single worker who strikes on that day obviously doesn't respect his place of work enough.. and that kind of people don't deserve work at all
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Postby Divair » Mon Nov 19, 2012 8:21 am

greed and death wrote:
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Welcome to the world of 'at will' employment. You can be relieved of your duty for any cause, or even for no cause.


No no you cant fire people for forming a union, you can have paid seminars on why unions are bad, and if they unionize you can close the store down and open a new one a few miles away. Strangely it is illegal to threaten to close the store if people try to unionize, but ok to do it without a threat.

Yay loopholes? :(

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Postby Samuraikoku » Mon Nov 19, 2012 8:27 am

Hippostania wrote:Hopefully all the strikers will be fired; Black Friday is a very important day for Walmart and every single worker who strikes on that day obviously doesn't respect his place of work enough.. and that kind of people don't deserve work at all


Have you perhaps considered that Walmart doesn't respect its workers enough?

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Postby Divair » Mon Nov 19, 2012 8:28 am

Samuraikoku wrote:
Hippostania wrote:Hopefully all the strikers will be fired; Black Friday is a very important day for Walmart and every single worker who strikes on that day obviously doesn't respect his place of work enough.. and that kind of people don't deserve work at all


Have you perhaps considered that Walmart doesn't respect its workers enough?

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Postby Samuraikoku » Mon Nov 19, 2012 8:30 am

Divair wrote:Corporations are always right, remember?


Corporations are people, my friend. They can do right as they can do wrong.

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Postby Frisivisia » Mon Nov 19, 2012 8:30 am

Divair wrote:
Samuraikoku wrote:
Have you perhaps considered that Walmart doesn't respect its workers enough?

Corporations are always right, remember?

They are people, my friend.
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Postby Greater New York » Mon Nov 19, 2012 8:39 am

Hippostania wrote:Hopefully all the strikers will be fired; Black Friday is a very important day for Walmart and every single worker who strikes on that day obviously doesn't respect his place of work enough.. and that kind of people don't deserve work at all


They aren't striking on Black Friday, just Thanksgiving (A lot of stores are opening at 8:00 PM on Thanksgiving, arguably one of the most important Family-centric holidays in the US). Stores are just moving Black Friday up a day so that they can make more money.

It would be like making workers stay at work on Christmas for Christmas shoppers.
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Postby Hippostania » Mon Nov 19, 2012 8:40 am

Frisivisia wrote:
Divair wrote:Corporations are always right, remember?

They are people, my friend.

Well, they are.

You people are fine with this when company has to do their duty, like the BP has to pay for the damages that they caused.. But when companies want their rights, then you start complaining that they aren't people. Double standards much?
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Postby Samuraikoku » Mon Nov 19, 2012 8:42 am

Hippostania wrote:Well, they are.

You people are fine with this when company has to do their duty, like the BP has to pay for the damages that they caused.. But when companies want their rights, then you start complaining that they aren't people. Double standards much?


Do you call "the right to swing a bat ends at my face" a double-standard now?

Because this is what the strike is. Workers have rights too, hard as it may be for you to comprehend.

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Postby Farnhamia » Mon Nov 19, 2012 8:43 am

Hippostania wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:They are people, my friend.

Well, they are.

You people are fine with this when company has to do their duty, like the BP has to pay for the damages that they caused.. But when companies want their rights, then you start complaining that they aren't people. Double standards much?

What right exactly are we talking about? The right to cut employee hours so they don't qualify for benefits because they aren't "full time"? The right to maximize profits on the backs of the people who do the actual work and create those profits?
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Postby Divair » Mon Nov 19, 2012 8:43 am

Hippostania wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:They are people, my friend.

Well, they are.

You people are fine with this when company has to do their duty, like the BP has to pay for the damages that they caused.. But when companies want their rights, then you start complaining that they aren't people. Double standards much?

No. Paying for damages does not grant a corporation rights.

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Postby Shady Deals » Mon Nov 19, 2012 8:56 am

So far, the only genuine wisdom I've seen here is Nathicana's.

Dread Lady Nathicana wrote:What's chiefly needed here, is for people to NOT support this shit, by NOT going out and shopping on the goram holiday, nor supporting ridiculous hours that some of these stores put their workers through just to make a few more bucks.

If there weren't a demand for it, it wouldn't be an issue.


Vote with your wallet folks. Tell Wal-Mart, Target, and whatever other Thanksgiving Invader, "Screw you and your limited bargains. I'm staying home with my family."

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Postby Ifreann » Mon Nov 19, 2012 9:00 am

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Ceannairceach wrote:I heard, some time ago in an earlier thread about this, that that was the reason for the strike; To protest the essential ban of unionization of Walmart workers.

I worked there for a little over a year. We had to sit through a series of videos as part of our training. One of the videos was about 20 minutes long and devoted to how much Unions suck.

Surprised people didn't start a union after that out of spite.
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Postby Farnhamia » Mon Nov 19, 2012 9:01 am

Shady Deals wrote:So far, the only genuine wisdom I've seen here is Nathicana's.

Dread Lady Nathicana wrote:What's chiefly needed here, is for people to NOT support this shit, by NOT going out and shopping on the goram holiday, nor supporting ridiculous hours that some of these stores put their workers through just to make a few more bucks.

If there weren't a demand for it, it wouldn't be an issue.


Vote with your wallet folks. Tell Wal-Mart, Target, and whatever other Thanksgiving Invader, "Screw you and your limited bargains. I'm staying home with my family."

Sounds pretty shady, if you ask me. Family? I don't know, strikes me as a communal thing and isn't it funny that "communal" and "communist" have a lot of the sme letters. And "community," too. Obama was a "community organizer," wasn't he? Probably training for the communist take-over of America that he has scheduled in 2016.
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Postby Samuraikoku » Mon Nov 19, 2012 9:04 am

Farnhamia wrote:Sounds pretty shady, if you ask me. Family? I don't know, strikes me as a communal thing and isn't it funny that "communal" and "communist" have a lot of the sme letters. And "community," too. Obama was a "community organizer," wasn't he? Probably training for the communist take-over of America that he has scheduled in 2016.


He'll amend the Constitution to deprive it of the free enterprise and liberty values to change it into a communist hellhole in which he can be reelected indefinitely. Like in Kenya. *nods*

Yes, I know Kenya isn't one either.

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Postby Farnhamia » Mon Nov 19, 2012 9:06 am

Samuraikoku wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Sounds pretty shady, if you ask me. Family? I don't know, strikes me as a communal thing and isn't it funny that "communal" and "communist" have a lot of the sme letters. And "community," too. Obama was a "community organizer," wasn't he? Probably training for the communist take-over of America that he has scheduled in 2016.


He'll amend the Constitution to deprive it of the free enterprise and liberty values to change it into a communist hellhole in which he can be reelected indefinitely. Like in Kenya. *nods*

Yes, I know Kenya isn't one either.

Exactly! He'll have words like "God" and "free enterprise" and "Christianity" struck right out og the document and replaced with "Allah" and "state control of the means of production" and "Islam." *nod*
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Postby Dyakovo » Mon Nov 19, 2012 9:43 am

Farnhamia wrote:
Samuraikoku wrote:
He'll amend the Constitution to deprive it of the free enterprise and liberty values to change it into a communist hellhole in which he can be reelected indefinitely. Like in Kenya. *nods*

Yes, I know Kenya isn't one either.

Exactly! He'll have words like "God" and "free enterprise" and "Christianity" struck right out og the document and replaced with "Allah" and "state control of the means of production" and "Islam." *nod*

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Postby Ptarsu » Mon Nov 19, 2012 9:52 am

Hippostania wrote:Hopefully all the strikers will be fired; Black Friday is a very important day for Walmart and every single worker who strikes on that day obviously doesn't respect his place of work enough.. and that kind of people don't deserve work at all

Yeah, I have the strongest feeling you've never held a retail job.

Or any job, for that matter.

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Postby Samuraikoku » Mon Nov 19, 2012 9:55 am

Ptarsu wrote:
Hippostania wrote:Hopefully all the strikers will be fired; Black Friday is a very important day for Walmart and every single worker who strikes on that day obviously doesn't respect his place of work enough.. and that kind of people don't deserve work at all

Yeah, I have the strongest feeling you've never held a retail job.

Or any job, for that matter.


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