If Arizona were to secede from the United States ..

[Jagalonia]

dont be sillly

the colorado river runs through arizona. they would make an international water compact to claim their share of that water the same as mexico has an international water compact to get its share of the rio grande water. it would probably be the same amount as they are allowed by interstate compacts now.

Theirs damns farther up stream. They could shut it down to a trickle. Then a few well placed bombs where they draw their water out and bam! no more water.

A few well placed bombs on the dams, and BAM! water.

[Keronians]

The drug lords probably wouldn't mind. And in that case, it's quite possible that Arizona would receive food aid from other countries. *Reads again* Meh. If that's what the Arizonans want.

How many other nations would risk pissing the Americans off and the like by trading with Arizona?

Meh. They trade with Cuba, don't they?

Oh, and, not to mention, right to self-determination and all that.

BTW, food aid isn't exactly trading. I wasn't sure by reading your post whether you were challenging that or not. It's just there to keep the people from starving to death.

[The Corparation]

Theirs damns farther up stream. They could shut it down to a trickle. Then a few well placed bombs where they draw their water out and bam! no more water.

A few well placed bombs on the dams, and BAM! water.

First off Damns are extremely hard to bust They're almost solid concrete and steel., and SAM missiles AA guns and torpedo nets could easily be erected. Second, that water would come down in a massive wall and just about kill everything in its path and wouldn't exactly be of much use to you.

[Katganistan]

If Arizona were to secede from the United States: It would start a chain reaction of States seceding from the USA.

Unlikely.

[Katganistan]

Other states (Particularly Texas) would demand the same.

Texas is the only state that could possibly secede legally.

[Katganistan]

I laughed when I read this. If you break the law and get caught you get owned by the law enforcement. If Arizona seceded from the US it would get owned by the Armed forces. Enough said. lol

Might makes right, I know what you believe, and am now free to ignore you.

Aren't you always going on about how you're going to shoot it out?
How is this different?

[Keronians]

Might makes right, I know what you believe, and am now free to ignore you.

Aren't you always going on about how you're going to shoot it out?
How is this different?

Two wrongs make a right, do not.

[Nazi Flower Power]

Like the civil war? We have all read how well that worked out.

Just because a state secedes from the Union does not mean the situation will be equivalent to what happened in the Civil War. The Civil War was not just an ideological battle of unity vs. secession; it was also North vs. South and a fight over slavery.

The Confederacy cannot be used as a model for secessionists in general. They were a specific group of people who fought for a specific set of ideals in a specific historical context. The Confederates seceded with a very belligerent attitude, a militaristic tradition, a blatant contempt for the North, a plantation-based economy, a social structure in which slave ownership was an important status symbol, expansionist dreams of prying away border states and spreading into the Southwest, and an inferiority complex where they felt they had to vindicate themselves by becoming a world power. These things are not an inherent part of being secessionist.

Likewise, the North was motivated by a variety of forces, not only the desire for unity. New England had threatened secession in the past -- Massachusetts in 1803 and all of New England in 1814 -- yet there was never any risk that New England would join the Confederacy because New England was furious with the South for trying to spread slavery.

If there is a secessionist movement that is very different from the Confederacy, then it is reasonable to believe that the result would be different from what happened in the Civil War. If the secessionists attempt to leave peacefully and have no desire to bully the Union or pry away border states, people might feel less threatened. If the secessionists plan on building a country that respects human rights, they are more likely to get international recognition, and the U.S. might be more willing to let them go.

[Unilisia]

The Mexican Army could easily capture Arizona as a lone entity.

That's what I have been saying but people keep on saying no and . . . [rant]

Unfortunately it's incorrect.

[Celis]

Hmmm a country vs. a state that is trying to re-establish it's economy... I wonder who would win..

[The Atlantean Menace]

I laughed when I read this. If you break the law and get caught you get owned by the law enforcement. If Arizona seceded from the US it would get owned by the Armed forces. Enough said. lol

Might makes right, I know what you believe, and am now free to ignore you.

I don't think he was saying that might makes right. Might might not make right, but it makes what happens happen. Whether or not it's "right" for the military to go in and forcible repossess Arizona is irrelevant. It's what would happen.

[Celis]

Might makes right, I know what you believe, and am now free to ignore you.

I don't think he was saying that might makes right. Might might not make right, but it makes what happens happen. Whether or not it's "right" for the military to go in and forcible repossess Arizona is irrelevant. It's what would happen.

Quote for truth. ^

[The Evil Reich]

Hmmm a country vs. a state that is trying to re-establish it's economy... I wonder who would win..

I wonder why they have to fight in the first place...

[Celis]

I have no idea I was just going along with the debate. Lol

[Wamitoria]

Hmmm a country vs. a state that is trying to re-establish it's economy... I wonder who would win..

I wonder why they have to fight in the first place...

Because not all Arizonans would want to leave the country.

[The Evil Reich]

I wonder why they have to fight in the first place...

Because not all Arizonans would want to leave the country.

People could apply to have legal resident status instead of Arizona citizenship if the secesh government is not looking for a fight.

[Celis]

A secession of Arizona from the Union would result in the United States Armed Forces recapturing it forcefully.

[Keronians]

Hmmm a country vs. a state that is trying to re-establish it's economy... I wonder who would win..

Is this country Mexico or the US?

[The Evil Reich]

A secession of Arizona from the Union would result in the United States Armed Forces recapturing it forcefully.

You know this for a fact? What'd you do? Hack God's computer and look at the algorithms for U.S. politics?

[Keronians]

A secession of Arizona from the Union would result in the United States Armed Forces recapturing it forcefully.

That depends entirely on how smart the Arizonans were in going about the movement.

[Maryginia]

A secession of Arizona from the Union would result in the United States Armed Forces recapturing it forcefully.

That depends entirely on how smart the Arizonans were in going about the movement.

we're not very smart i live in a suburb of phoenix trust me i know.

[Farnhamia]

A secession of Arizona from the Union would result in the United States Armed Forces recapturing it forcefully.

That depends entirely on how smart the Arizonans were in going about the movement.

How's that?

[GeneralHaNor]

Arizona is surrounded my other US States and shares a border with Mexico. How would it trade with other countries/states? Lol It would be economically starved. Especially since Mexico wouldn't dare open up trade with Arizona least it bring about the anger of the US.

Bull, it is in the economic interests of the united states to maintain peaceful trade relations with all it's neighbors, including soverign arizona

Trade would not stop. Arizona would most likely become a signatory to nafta.

[Keronians]

Hmmm a country vs. a state that is trying to re-establish it's economy... I wonder who would win..

I actually don't think that the US will win. If the Arizonans stick to it, be smart about how they go about doing it (peaceful, conceding, appealing to the emotions of the American people, etc) and have any guts and are willing to die for their independence, I personally doubt the US will be able to keep Arizona, even if it runs it over.

Primarily because it will be viewed as an aggressor in the eyes of the international community and in many of the eyes of the American citizens themselves. Next, we have guerrilla warfare. If the Arizonans stick to their guns (and I bet they have a lot of real guns thanks to the US' gun laws), it will just become a headache for the American Armed Forces.

Of course, I too am being idealist. But that's how the Arizonans should plan it out. If they don't, then bye bye... or should I say hello, welcome back?

[Keronians]

That depends entirely on how smart the Arizonans were in going about the movement.

we're not very smart i live in a suburb of phoenix trust me i know.

Yeah, that's the sad bit.

I don't like generalising, though. All you need is a few smart guys (who''ll be leaders), and a population that's willing to stick it out for their "freedom". Do you have that kind of thing?