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by Deuxtete » Tue Aug 18, 2015 7:06 pm
by Alien Space Bats » Tue Aug 18, 2015 7:51 pm
Anglo-Saxon North America wrote:While New England factory owners pushed for tariffs to make themselves richer at our own expense, and the government was increasingly seen as a foreign establishment, not representing us?
by Yumyumsuppertime » Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:50 pm
Deuxtete wrote:I'm a fan of Lee, and I respect much of him. Sometimes we respect peoples in spite of some of the things they did.
Next time I talk about lee I won't be lying.
by USS Monitor » Tue Aug 18, 2015 9:00 pm
2 I never said Grant owned slaves in the White house, I pointed out Lincoln never owned any at all..to someone else, at which point you thought you were going to comment refuting that fact with your bullshit.
by USS Monitor » Tue Aug 18, 2015 9:07 pm
Deuxtete wrote:I'm a fan of Lee, and I respect much of him. Sometimes we respect peoples in spite of some of the things they did.
Next time I talk about lee I won't be lying.
by USS Monitor » Tue Aug 18, 2015 9:11 pm
Alien Space Bats wrote:Anglo-Saxon North America wrote:While New England factory owners pushed for tariffs to make themselves richer at our own expense, and the government was increasingly seen as a foreign establishment, not representing us?
New England factory owners may have PUSHED for high tariffs, but they sure as Hell didn't GET them.
Tariffs were actually lower in 1860 than they'd been at any point in time since the end of the War of 1812.
Want to try again?
by Deuxtete » Tue Aug 18, 2015 9:29 pm
USS Monitor wrote:Deuxtete wrote:Grant himself had been a slave owner prior to the war.
Someone earlier had made the claim about Lincoln, I believe Grant was the last president to have ever owned slaves. He was however definitely one of the 12 who had.
He didn't own slaves while he was president and neither did anyone else.
USS Monitor wrote:2 I never said Grant owned slaves in the White house, I pointed out Lincoln never owned any at all..to someone else, at which point you thought you were going to comment refuting that fact with your bullshit.
Not what happened.
Someone was talking about slaves being treated better in the South than how free blacks were treated in the North, which is bullshit, but that wasn't the point I got into the conversation to discuss. Someone else -- and I honestly don't remember whether it was you or another poster -- chimed in to say "that was under Grant," which implies that slavery still existed during Grant's presidency. I then pointed out that this was inaccurate since slavery was abolished by then. And you went off on this irrelevant tangent about presidents owning slaves.
by The Empire of Pretantia » Tue Aug 18, 2015 9:33 pm
USS Monitor wrote:He didn't own slaves while he was president and neither did anyone else [while Grant was president].
by Nationes Pii Redivivi » Tue Aug 18, 2015 9:40 pm
by Neutraligon » Tue Aug 18, 2015 10:10 pm
by Yumyumsuppertime » Tue Aug 18, 2015 10:23 pm
Neutraligon wrote:Funny thing is if you want a rebel flag just use the US one with 13 stars.
by The Cobalt Sky » Tue Aug 18, 2015 10:26 pm
by USS Monitor » Tue Aug 18, 2015 10:38 pm
USS Monitor wrote:
Not what happened.
Someone was talking about slaves being treated better in the South than how free blacks were treated in the North, which is bullshit, but that wasn't the point I got into the conversation to discuss. Someone else -- and I honestly don't remember whether it was you or another poster -- chimed in to say "that was under Grant," which implies that slavery still existed during Grant's presidency. I then pointed out that this was inaccurate since slavery was abolished by then. And you went off on this irrelevant tangent about presidents owning slaves.
You corrected another poster who said, grant was a slave owner, which he was...duh.
You then tried the same dumb shit with me but as you can see plainly above, you expanded your bullshit to include the claim that NO ONE owned slaves in the white house, I don't know just because Grant didn't... I suppose.
Finally, ignore this horse shit of pretending you didn't claim no one owned slaves in the white house, you're now going to pretend you imagined I said, suggested, offered inuendo to the idea free blacks in the north were worse off than black slaves in the south.
Since I've established you aren't honest about what you yourself said... I defy you to find where I suggested anything like that, but likely you're even less honest about what you claim other people say.
by USS Monitor » Tue Aug 18, 2015 10:43 pm
by Camicon » Tue Aug 18, 2015 11:28 pm
USS Monitor wrote:The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Better?
Yes, that is what I was going for.
I didn't think at all about the interpretation of that sentence that Deuxtete read into it, so it's quite possible they never thought at all about the interpretation that I intended. Hopefully we can both calm down and move on now that we've found the source of the confusion.
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by USS Monitor » Tue Aug 18, 2015 11:34 pm
Camicon wrote:USS Monitor wrote:
Yes, that is what I was going for.
I didn't think at all about the interpretation of that sentence that Deuxtete read into it, so it's quite possible they never thought at all about the interpretation that I intended. Hopefully we can both calm down and move on now that we've found the source of the confusion.
Honestly, I don't understand why anyone would get so upset with a warship. I mean, one side is clearly at a disadvantage there.
by Laerod » Wed Aug 19, 2015 1:38 am
Anglo-Saxon North America wrote:Maybe if I was flying the first national flag, or the stainless or blood stained banners, I'd actually by representing the CSA. But that flag in particular, the one everyone mistakenly calls the confederate flag, is just the south.
William T. Thompson wrote:As a people we are fighting to maintain the Heaven-ordained supremacy of the white man over the inferior or colored race; a white flag would thus be emblematical of our cause.
Anglo-Saxon North America wrote:If there was another flag to represent my culture region, all of it, that had the same regonizeability, I'd take it.
Anglo-Saxon North America wrote:But until then I'll use the flag that was never actually the CSA's.
Anglo-Saxon North America wrote:Fort Sumpter was also on CSA land.
by New Grestin » Wed Aug 19, 2015 2:09 am
Let’s not dwell on our corpse strewn past. Let’s celebrate our corpse strewn future!
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by USS Monitor » Wed Aug 19, 2015 2:23 am
New Grestin wrote:Even after all this crap, I'm still shockingly ok with this.
Take it down from government buildings, let people fly it on private property.
Not really the nation-breaking issue people are making it out to be.
by San Eulogio » Wed Aug 19, 2015 2:28 am
USS Monitor wrote:New Grestin wrote:Even after all this crap, I'm still shockingly ok with this.
Take it down from government buildings, let people fly it on private property.
Not really the nation-breaking issue people are making it out to be.
It was a nation-breaking issue back in the day, but times change.
Sometimes I wonder if I am the only one who grew up in the 19th century, or if there are people older than me who returned from the grave to haunt the internet and spread Confederate propaganda.
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by New Grestin » Wed Aug 19, 2015 2:29 am
USS Monitor wrote:New Grestin wrote:Even after all this crap, I'm still shockingly ok with this.
Take it down from government buildings, let people fly it on private property.
Not really the nation-breaking issue people are making it out to be.
It was a nation-breaking issue back in the day, but times change.
Sometimes I wonder if I am the only one who grew up in the 19th century, or if there are people older than me who returned from the grave to haunt the internet and spread Confederate propaganda.
Let’s not dwell on our corpse strewn past. Let’s celebrate our corpse strewn future!
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by Ifreann » Wed Aug 19, 2015 8:17 am
New Grestin wrote:Even after all this crap, I'm still shockingly ok with this.
Take it down from government buildings, let people fly it on private property.
Not really the nation-breaking issue people are making it out to be.
by Dyakovo » Wed Aug 19, 2015 8:27 am
Ifreann wrote:New Grestin wrote:Even after all this crap, I'm still shockingly ok with this.
Take it down from government buildings, let people fly it on private property.
Not really the nation-breaking issue people are making it out to be.
I suspect that the only people making it out to be a nation-breaking issue are the sort who rather want the nation to be broken so that the south can rise again.
by Ifreann » Wed Aug 19, 2015 8:29 am
by Dyakovo » Wed Aug 19, 2015 8:32 am
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