Confederate Emblems to be Removed Nationwide.

[The Nuclear Fist]

I think Southerners who see it as a symbol of resistance and southerness should be pissed off at the racists who wave it around instead of the people who genuinely see it as a symbol of racism.

However, the hypocrisy of condemning that flag because it's associated with a government that supported slavery is mind-boggling.

In 11 days, most of those same people will shoot off fireworks and wave around a flag whose government committed racial genocide against millions of native people, instituted racial segregation for over 100 years after its "moral outrage" over slavery, firebombed and burned to death hundreds of thousands of woman and children, conducted medical experiments on minorities without their consent (while lying to them about their medical condition), invaded a sovereign country on fabricated information and against International Law, tortured hundreds of innocent people (and as the last VP said publicly, doesn't give a damn that 25% of them were completely innocent as long as they met their mission objectives), still imprisons innocent people at Guantanamo, and still denies fundamental human rights to large portions of its citizens... and they'll do so acting like they have the moral highground, just like they always do.

Hysterical pearl clutching aside, you forget that the US wasn't founded nearly exclusively for those purposes, like the Confederacy was.

That makes it a lot worse.

[Vaikneland]

A government building flying the battle flag of the Confederacy is like revering traitors. If the Union won there is no fucking way, none, that the Confederate battle flag isn't the flag of traitors. No victor reveres traitors, we shame them and, in earlier times, governments went so far as to wipe out any history of the enemy.

We should never censor history.

But neither should we idolize a state of cowards and bigots that engaged in preemptive secession to maintain slavery after they lost an election.

Thank you. You should never censor history ever.

[Tsaraine]

NO! Let the Southern Cross fly. I say this as a Northerner proudly living in the South.

I would be fascinated to hear your reasoning for this opinion. You seem to have accidentally neglected that part of your post.

[The Nuclear Fist]

NO! Let the Southern Cross fly. I say this as a Northerner proudly living in the South.

I would be fascinated to hear your reasoning for this opinion. You seem to have accidentally neglected that part of your post.

Da souf will rise agin FORT SUMTER STATES RIGHTS EBUL LINCOLN TARIFFS SLAVES WERE TREATED WELL REBEL YELL

[Risottia]

About fucking time.
It's as if Northern Italy were still flying the flag of the RSI or of Lombardy-Venetia.

[-The West Coast-]

Ah yes, we as White people must remove all traces of our historical significance so that a few could feel "safer" in our country. South Carolina should continue to fly the Confederate battle flag as it symbolizes the Southern identity of self-government and independence that has pervaded the south since before the Revolution.

[United States of Conner]

Jeez, I saw this the other day, turned to my brother and said, "Damn, they still do this?"

And as for the excuse that it 'stands for states rights' or something to that effect,
The Confederate Flag, "which was unfurled over the State House in 1962, largely as a symbol of defiance of efforts to expand the civil rights of black Americans."
State's rights my ass.

[Herrebrugh]

Why does it have a white border around it?

[The Rebel Alliances]

If I know anything about my redneck cousins, they'd probably gather around it and roast meat over it like trucker-hat-wearing cavemen.

(This isn't a joke. They literally do this every family reunion- just build a fire and cook over it.)

You fuckers disgust me. We aren't all trucker hat wearing, truck driving idiots!

We southerners must know our place, and allow the enlightenment of our god like norther neighbors to elevate us to acceptable status in their glorious Union.

Damn I hate their types man. So self righteous, hates the south and refuses to let it go at the same time. I am no proponent of secession, now debating it as a academic matter is another thing. But the crap gets old, very old, very fast.

I was in Chicago and a woman told me that my home state, Georgia, was her favorite 3rd World Country. I found the first bus back south that afternoon.

[Napkiraly]

You fuckers disgust me. We aren't all trucker hat wearing, truck driving idiots!

We southerners must know our place, and allow the enlightenment of our god like norther neighbors to elevate us to acceptable status in their glorious Union.

Damn I hate their types man. So self righteous, hates the south and refuses to let it go at the same time. I am no proponent of secession, now debating it as a academic matter is another thing. But the crap gets old, very old, very fast.

I was in Chicago and a woman told me that my home state, Georgia, was her favorite 3rd World Country. I found the first bus back south that afternoon.

As someone who used to live in the South and is quite fond of it, there is nothing I hate more than the Northern smug towards the South. I mean yeah, the South has problems - especially when it comes to LGBT rights and race relations. But the North has its own problems and isn't a supreme paragon of virtue itself either.

[Dyakovo]

Hmm, should our government be endorsing an entity that engaged in rebellion in order to protect their right to own people as slaves?

I think that's the question we should be asking ourselves.

And the obvious answer is "no".

[Rupudska]

Yes, take it down.

It should be removed, because the Confederate flag resembles hate, and besides. Why would you have a Confederate Flag at a US Memorial?

It's the Battle Flag. It represents nothing more than the Confederate Armed Forces, no matter how many people think (or sell it as) otherwise. If it were one of the three Confederate national flags, I'd agree with you.

[Benuty]

You fuckers disgust me. We aren't all trucker hat wearing, truck driving idiots!

We southerners must know our place, and allow the enlightenment of our god like norther neighbors to elevate us to acceptable status in their glorious Union.

Damn I hate their types man. So self righteous, hates the south and refuses to let it go at the same time. I am no proponent of secession, now debating it as a academic matter is another thing. But the crap gets old, very old, very fast.

I was in Chicago and a woman told me that my home state, Georgia, was her favorite 3rd World Country. I found the first bus back south that afternoon.

Wow people think Georgia is a country?

It is hardly third world. Knowing their type they haven't stepped a damn foot inside Atlanta or other Georgian cities.

[United States of Conner]

Yes, take it down.

It should be removed, because the Confederate flag resembles hate, and besides. Why would you have a Confederate Flag at a US Memorial?

It's the Battle Flag. It represents nothing more than the Confederate Armed Forces, no matter how many people think (or sell it as) otherwise. If it were one of the three Confederate national flags, I'd agree with you.

Well, isn't that the point? So many people associate it with the Confederacy, that it's almost - in fact, probably as likely to cause offense as any other Confederate flag.

[Agritum]

About fucking time.
It's as if Northern Italy were still flying the flag of the RSI or of Lombardy-Venetia.

Nah, it's the combat flag of their army, not the state. It's less like hoisting a swastika or the flag of the Italian Social Republic, and more like hoisting the Sieg Rune banner of the Waffen-SS.

[The Rebel Alliances]

We southerners must know our place, and allow the enlightenment of our god like norther neighbors to elevate us to acceptable status in their glorious Union.

Damn I hate their types man. So self righteous, hates the south and refuses to let it go at the same time. I am no proponent of secession, now debating it as a academic matter is another thing. But the crap gets old, very old, very fast.

I was in Chicago and a woman told me that my home state, Georgia, was her favorite 3rd World Country. I found the first bus back south that afternoon.

As someone who used to live in the South and is quite fond of it, there is nothing I hate more than the Northern smug towards the South. I mean yeah, the South has problems - especially when it comes to LGBT rights and race relations. But the North has its own problems and isn't a supreme paragon of virtue itself either.

Well, I am just gonna duck out of the thread. A lot of it seems to be baiting and south bashing, which is so very common on NSG I honestly expect nothing less. Large reason why I keep to role play, its far more civilized. Worst we deal with is newbs god modding.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Good. Long overdue.

[Threlizdun]

Finally, now if only Mississippi would get around to changing their damn flag.

[United States of Conner]

We southerners must know our place, and allow the enlightenment of our god like norther neighbors to elevate us to acceptable status in their glorious Union.

Damn I hate their types man. So self righteous, hates the south and refuses to let it go at the same time. I am no proponent of secession, now debating it as a academic matter is another thing. But the crap gets old, very old, very fast.

I was in Chicago and a woman told me that my home state, Georgia, was her favorite 3rd World Country. I found the first bus back south that afternoon.

Wow people think Georgia is a country?

It is hardly third world. Knowing their type they haven't stepped a damn foot inside Atlanta or other Georgian cities.

I mean, I'm neutral on the South myself, but I've been to Atlanta, Birmingham, even Agusta for the Masters. Not third world by any means.

And the sad thing is that 'educated' (As in not educated, but those people who think they are) Americans would jump all over that and say Georgia wasn't a country, just like in 2008.

[The Rebel Alliances]

We southerners must know our place, and allow the enlightenment of our god like norther neighbors to elevate us to acceptable status in their glorious Union.

Damn I hate their types man. So self righteous, hates the south and refuses to let it go at the same time. I am no proponent of secession, now debating it as a academic matter is another thing. But the crap gets old, very old, very fast.

I was in Chicago and a woman told me that my home state, Georgia, was her favorite 3rd World Country. I found the first bus back south that afternoon.

Wow people think Georgia is a country?

It is hardly third world. Knowing their type they haven't stepped a damn foot inside Atlanta or other Georgian cities.

She was insulting me. Her way of telling me how superior her state/region was.

Needless to say, my first trip to Chicago will be my last.

[Vassenor]

I still don't understand why it was flying in an official position in the first place. I mean, if John Q. Public wants to bolt a flagpole to the side of his house or stick one in his lawn and fly it from there, that's fine. First Amendment free speech and all that. But from a government building?

[Benuty]

Hmm, should our government be endorsing an entity that engaged in rebellion in order to protect their right to own people as slaves?

I think that's the question we should be asking ourselves.

And the obvious answer is "no".

Not really this isn't even a question.

The debate between the state government, and the NAACP has been going for so long that people are coming in now to kick a dead dog in the stomach. I guarantee most outside the two groups won't spare any thought to this fact at all. Now onto fusion state flags which are more blatant.

[Rupudska]

It's the Battle Flag. It represents nothing more than the Confederate Armed Forces, no matter how many people think (or sell it as) otherwise. If it were one of the three Confederate national flags, I'd agree with you.

Well, isn't that the point? So many people associate it with the Confederacy, that it's almost - in fact, probably as likely to cause offense as any other Confederate flag.

Yes, but the Battle Flag can be saved, because that is not its actual purpose.

Finally, now if only Mississippi would get around to changing their damn flag.

But muh aesthetic

[The Rebel Alliances]

Finally, now if only Mississippi would get around to changing their damn flag.

So, after that Georgia should change their flag too huh?

[Risottia]

Ah yes, we as White people must remove all traces of our historical significance so that a few could feel "safer" in our country. South Carolina should continue to fly the Confederate battle flag as it symbolizes the Southern identity of self-government and independence that has pervaded the south since before the Revolution.

As a White, I consider this comment highly offensive towards my culture, because it claims that the whole legacy of the European cultures and ethnicities in the Americas is represented by a flag which unambiguously stood for slavery and exploitation.